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04-09-08, 01:55 PM
Back in 93? Of course it was a no go area. No go areas for blacks were more numerous back then in fact. I mean now black folk live in Bermondsey, Dagenham and yeah probably even Thamesmead now. Back in the day I wouldn't have even gone to the Isle of Dogs. Eltham? No blasted way... ever.
But then the ignorance factor you're putting on it is my entire point. The Steven Lawrence arguement was put up because it is stupid and holds no water. Just like blaming our black sister when TV networks mash up her program.
Ok I don't think we're going to agree on the Lawrence anology bit, I see what you're tying to get at but I disagree that it is a relevant comparison...
I don't think it is common knowledge. Why so many black people still doing media studies dreaming about being on TV by any cheap means possible. How many black contestants for reality shows, presenting jobs, soaps... fugg me do you know how many "struggling actors" I know? It's a lot. And to them TV is a world they can't wait to get into and won't hear a bad word said. Adults yes. The kind of black folk who simply don't think about such things.
Watcher: Of course it is common knowledge, just as its common knowledge that racism exist in other proffessions too..but these proffessions like the media will still attract Black people, because some of us won't be beaten back by racism, because think we can overcome it, whilst some just don't see it...until it hits hard. I really don't think that the abundance of Blacks in the media signals a lack of awareness at all...
Because she only saw the EDITED twisted version at the end. She could hardly complain about her own raw footage before submitting it to editors now could she? Be logical here
I am being logical, but as i wasn't there i can't argue further on this point...i can only go by what was written..and then take a view.
That always happens. How often do film-makers edit and master they're own filmed stuff? She's merely a presenter with an idea. Obviously you give it to editors who finish it off for you. That even happens with movies. You film your scenes, go home and months later you see the finished article you may or may not be happy with. What happened here is during that editorial phase. Imagine if Jamelia in filming that recent hair documentary that she did, was edited to look bad. Is that her fault because she's a singer, a celeb involved in "media" and should know better? This woman is a comic who tried to make a documentary about an issue that burns her and got twister by a big network. It ain't her fault.
And you still haven't addressed the other part of my initial complaint which was to do with asking women on HERE if the stereotype is true. THAT is beyond shamefull.
Watcher again...I think the crux of this issue comes down to the pitch and the original agreement, i'd like to know what was discussed and how it was pitched in the first place... Because i suspect that we have not been presented with the whole truth...
As for the second part..I merely asked a question I didn't state that it was true or not true, i merely asked people to express a view on the stereotype as a 'talking point'... I apologise if you felt I was agreeing with it.. but I assure i wasn't i was just puting the question out there for a response nothing more or less...
I take this point and apologise. Your stance on this however, remains wrong. This whole thread stinks now. Here in the little cut off world of BNV people seem to forget themselves and adopt differing personas. They get a lil more militant than they are for real. Having met a large number of posters in reality i KNOW this. People do talk here as if we're all one mind thinking positive conscious pro black thoughts 24/7 and every one of us is and should be ever vigilant for the presence of racism all day long. Be honest... there aren't enough hours in a day.
Again I will apologise for making that about you though.[/quote]
Watcher: There is no need to apologise, i got where you were coming from.......I really can't speak for or on behalf of anyone here on BNV and how they run their lives, all i can do is speak for me and what i do... you've met me in person so you know what i'm like outside of the BNV universe.. What you don't know is what i'm like in work.. Now its not often I talk these things but as you asked..
i'll be happy to give you numbers and you can speak to people who i work with..and they will tell you there is no difference between Kunjufu on BNV and the one at work..in fact I'm probably more miltant at work than I am here... I think I tolerate far more on this site than i would at work no doubt about it!!!
Most people who knows me know that i do not play period!!! and that i'm uncompromising on key issues, but more importantly i do not hide behind anyone else...anything i have to say i step up and say it and look right in your face when i'm saying it too...
At this very moment there is a shameful situation when a brother whom i have never met, has effectively been shafted by his employers, to cut a long story short the poor sod has been suspended on no pay for 3 months, and no way of working anywhere else because he pending police investigation.. The evidence is bullshit to put it bluntly...
I'm dragged into this mess, and expected to rubber stamp this crap.. Now the easiest thing I could have done is play it by the rules, shut my mouth and keep under the radar and then do as thiswoman did COMPLAIN at the very end about injustice & racism......
I haven't because I don't need to wait until this is played out to know that this is just plain wrong,and that i should have nothing to do with it.... Now I don't know this person from Adam!!! I've ever met him and not likely to ever..
but I've refused to sign off on this crap and gone further.. I've had serious arguements with my management, the police and the man employers because it's rank out of order...
I've stuck my neck out and made clear that when i get hold of this case {and i will} i'm locking it off forthwith and put that in writing.. Now this is not exactly career enhancing behaviour to take.. but for me there is right and wrong
But my point here Watcher is everybody knows right and wrong.. everybody has a sense of their line in the sand and what they will put up with.. I'm clear about mine and I'm vocal as to what i won't do and practiced it, that i can say hand on heart... I'm just making the point tha BNV is not sublimating anything for me..I am here as i am at work or my personal life there is no demarkation between the two..
Now you say this women is a victim, sorry whilst i take on board your outrage and see where it comes from, I'm just not buying it... She admits there were alarm bells, but doesn't appear to have acted upon those queries in her head until at the very end..and I still have a big question as to why not!!!
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