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RoseWood is factually-based and i am not sure if it could be listed here.
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We can also see the bust of Jefferson, but we aren't meant to thing of the unrepentant Virginia slaveholer. All the founding fathers apart from Benjamin Franklin owned slaves, supported slavery and believed that black were inferior to whites.
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I am almost certain that at one point Benjamin Franklin did own slaves......... We were discussinghis autobiography in my history class, if I am not mistaken I believe he did own slaves at one point but freed or sold them later on in life, I am not sure. There are also allegations that Franklin, like Jefferson, did have sexual relations with a female slave of his, although there is no concrete evidence for this.
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If you guys want to see a properly racist and inaccurate film this year then it has to be 'The New World'. It's not out yet but I saw the trailer for it and all I'm going to say is that from what I saw of the preview, the ish is truely going to hit the fan. Has anybody else seen the trailer? Its about when European's first 'discovered' America. The Native Americans look like war-mongering savages whilst the British (because for some reason none of the white people looked Spanish in it) were trying to be calm and saying things like 'we need to live and share with these people'. It's unbelievable. I'm hoping that the trailer isn't totally representative of the whole film for the film-makers sake!
I must say I agree with this one.Not only does it stereotypically portray indians as savages, but like every other movies concerning the subject of John Smith and Pocahantas, it is based onaJohn Smith's book about his experiences in the new world, whose crediblity is doubted by many historians. Many movies want to portray Pocahantas asa love struck teenagegirl who was infatuated with John Smith when in reality, Pocahantas wasmost likelyachild of 10 or 11 when she firstcame in contact withJohn Smith andotherwhite settlers.
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We can also see the bust of Jefferson, but we aren't meant to thing of the unrepentant Virginia slaveholer. All the founding fathers apart from Benjamin Franklin owned slaves, supported slavery and believed that black were inferior to whites.
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I am almost certain that at one point Benjamin Franklin did own slaves......... We were discussinghis autobiography in my history class, if I am not mistaken I believe he did own slaves at one point but freed or sold them later on in life, I am not sure. There are also allegations that Franklin, like Jefferson, did have sexual relations with a female slave of his, although there is no concrete evidence for this.
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If you guys want to see a properly racist and inaccurate film this year then it has to be 'The New World'. It's not out yet but I saw the trailer for it and all I'm going to say is that from what I saw of the preview, the ish is truely going to hit the fan. Has anybody else seen the trailer? Its about when European's first 'discovered' America. The Native Americans look like war-mongering savages whilst the British (because for some reason none of the white people looked Spanish in it) were trying to be calm and saying things like 'we need to live and share with these people'. It's unbelievable. I'm hoping that the trailer isn't totally representative of the whole film for the film-makers sake!
I must say I agree with this one.Not only does it stereotypically portray indians as savages, but like every other movies concerning the subject of John Smith and Pocahantas, it is based onaJohn Smith's book about his experiences in the new world, whose crediblity is doubted by many historians. Many movies want to portray Pocahantas asa love struck teenagegirl who was infatuated with John Smith when in reality, Pocahantas wasmost likelyachild of 10 or 11 when she firstcame in contact withJohn Smith andotherwhite settlers.
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Your facts are only partially true. Not all the founders were slave holders but the most prominent were,such asBassett, Blair, Blount, Butler, Carroll, Jefferson, Jenifer, Mason, Charles Pinckney, Charles Cotesworth Pinckney, Rutledge, Spaight, and Washington. Madison also owned slaves as did Franklin who later freed his slaves and became an abolitionist.
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Founding Fathers who were members of societies for ending slavery included Richard Bassett, James Madison, James Monroe, Bushrod Washington, Charles Carroll, William Few, John Marshall, Richard Stockton, Zephaniah Swift.
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The Adams, Samuel, and John as well as many others never owned slaves. As a whole if you consider those 95 men who signed the Declaration of Independence and Constitution as the "Founding Fathers" , most did not.
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Captain John Smith was middle aged when he made contact with Pocahantas while she was only pre adolescent. They had no romantic involvement. She later married Englishmen John Rolfe and died in England.
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We can also see the bust of Jefferson, but we aren't meant to thing of the unrepentant Virginia slaveholer. All the founding fathers apart from Benjamin Franklin owned slaves, supported slavery and believed that black were inferior to whites.
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I am almost certain that at one point Benjamin Franklin did own slaves......... We were discussinghis autobiography in my history class, if I am not mistaken I believe he did own slaves at one point but freed or sold them later on in life, I am not sure. There are also allegations that Franklin, like Jefferson, did have sexual relations with a female slave of his, although there is no concrete evidence for this.
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If you guys want to see a properly racist and inaccurate film this year then it has to be 'The New World'. It's not out yet but I saw the trailer for it and all I'm going to say is that from what I saw of the preview, the ish is truely going to hit the fan. Has anybody else seen the trailer? Its about when European's first 'discovered' America. The Native Americans look like war-mongering savages whilst the British (because for some reason none of the white people looked Spanish in it) were trying to be calm and saying things like 'we need to live and share with these people'. It's unbelievable. I'm hoping that the trailer isn't totally representative of the whole film for the film-makers sake!
I must say I agree with this one.Not only does it stereotypically portray indians as savages, but like every other movies concerning the subject of John Smith and Pocahantas, it is based onaJohn Smith's book about his experiences in the new world, whose crediblity is doubted by many historians. Many movies want to portray Pocahantas asa love struck teenagegirl who was infatuated with John Smith when in reality, Pocahantas wasmost likelyachild of 10 or 11 when she firstcame in contact withJohn Smith andotherwhite settlers.
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Your facts are only partially true. Not all the founders were slave holders but the most prominent were,such asBassett, Blair, Blount, Butler, Carroll, Jefferson, Jenifer, Mason, Charles Pinckney, Charles Cotesworth Pinckney, Rutledge, Spaight, and Washington. Madison also owned slaves as did Franklin who later freed his slaves and became an abolitionist.
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How are my facts only partially true???? Everything you have stated I basically affirmed in my previous post. I said that Benjamin Franklin owned slaves but freed them which you confirmed. I also stated that John smith met Pocahantas when she was a child, which you also confirmed. So what is your point? I never made any claims that all the founding fathers owned slaves only that Franklin did own slavesat one point in his lifetime. I am also pretty certain that my history professor stated that he may have had sexual relations with a female slave. Sowhat did I state that was false?
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When the missionaries came to Africa, they had the bible and we had the land. They taught us to pray with our eyes closed. When we opened them, they had bible, and they had the land.
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How are my facts only partially true???? Everything you have stated I basically affirmed in my previous post. I said that Benjamin Franklin owned slaves but freed them which you confirmed. I also stated that John smith met Pocahantas when she was a child, which you also confirmed. So what is your point? I never made any claims that all the founding fathers owned slaves only that Franklin did own slavesat one point in his lifetime. I am also pretty certain that my history professor stated that he may have had sexual relations with a female slave. Sowhat did I state that was false?
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We can also see the bust of Jefferson, but we aren't meant to thing of the unrepentant Virginia slaveholer. All the founding fathers apart from Benjamin Franklin owned slaves, supported slavery and believed that black were inferior to whites.
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RoseWood is factually-based and i am not sure if it could be listed here.
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Rosewood is not a racist movie. It details actual horrific events that happened to Americanized Africans. I even know some people who had family members killed from the Rosewood incident...and let's not forget about Tulsa.
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What was racist about the first 'Lion King' was that while every character had an American accent, the onlymonkey in the film, Rafiki, had an African accent.
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So true...I've never even thought about that.
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Think farther, The elder Lion had an African -American accent, James Earle Jones, and Scar had a British accent. Where's the racism?
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I know you wrote this in January but I'd still like to respond all the same. What exactly does Scar having a British accent have to do with Rafiki's African accent? I actually liked his character, but tell me if a film is supposed to be based in Africa then why not give everyone an African accent, instead of the only monkey in the film? Hmmm, let me think, whichgroup of peopleare white people always trying toassociate withmonkeys?
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What was racist about the first 'Lion King' was that while every character had an American accent, the onlymonkey in the film, Rafiki, had an African accent.
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