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Default Why Would Anyone Want an iPad? - 29-01-10, 02:20 AM

I mean seriously...I just don't see the point. Isn't it just a netbook with a touch screen with extremely meager internal storage capacity?

If anyone is thinking of buying this wretched device...tell us why?...LOL...



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Default 29-01-10, 06:01 AM

Because it's big and shiny and new and it's being ridicolously hyped and Apple's marketing machine is a juggernaut that gobbles sanity away from people lol

Seriously pointless device.

That said I might get a Kindle though. Bookshelf space getting very crammed


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Because it's big and shiny and new and it's being ridicolously hyped and Apple's marketing machine is a juggernaut that gobbles sanity away from people lol

Seriously pointless device.

That said I might get a Kindle though. Bookshelf space getting very crammed
Yeah, I can see the use for a Kindle. I don't have anymore walls for another book shelf...LOL...

I am in the process of converting my library into e-books, then putting the books into storage. It is kind of expensive to digitize books, so I do my most important books first. However, it is so much easier to search for something in your books when it is digitized. People ask me for sources all the time, and now I can give it to them as I can't always remember the book I get information.


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Because it's big and shiny and new and it's being ridicolously hyped and Apple's marketing machine is a juggernaut that gobbles sanity away from people lol

Seriously pointless device.

That said I might get a Kindle though. Bookshelf space getting very crammed
I wish Archos would come out with an improved but slightly larger version of the PMA400. The Kindle won't fit in a pocket. The PMA400 is a Linux computer and you can downlload or cross-compile applications. The JustReader program makes it a book reader. The Kindle only has 2 gig of storage and this has 30 gig. I have 5 gig of music and can play music and while reading. It also records and plays video.

I don't know why they discontinued it unless it is too complicated for too many people. I bought mine off ebay. The man said he bought it for his wife and she used it one day and put it in the closet.


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Now if it was just a little bit larger and had a fold down keyboard it would not need thos controls on the right side and could have a larger screen. Too much bigger and it wouldn't fit in a pocket. And then a 64 gig SSD and 600 MHz Snapdragon processor. It does pretty good for only 200 MHz.

I just saw one on ebay for $150 starting bid and no one was bidding. He didn't have a real picture so there was no way to tell how beat up it was.


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Apparently it's being comapred with sanitary towels...has wings and can fly..lol!!
Thinking of getting a Dell Studio...need to do Demos at Clients..not just have something I can smutter my fingers all over that looks fancy!!


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Default 29-01-10, 09:50 PM

Not advocating for this product for one minute

BUT

people said the same stuff about the iPhone when it came out.....now they're everywhere. Is it because it's the 'best' phone'? Doubt it.....its because

it looks good (design matters A LOT in this market)
has 'cool' for those into it that way
is extremely well marketed
'Apps' have caught the mood big-time

Apple's knack is in 'changing the game' - shifting the way people look at an entire category of products - that is why the iPhone succeeded, and why so many other phones now take their design and function cues from it. iPod did the same thing. But neither started out that way, and neither were particularly innovative on release.

My take: don't judge iPad now, judge the second or third incarnation down the line....if it's bombing then, it's dead......if not......plenty of us will own one or know someone that does.


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I wish Archos would come out with an improved but slightly larger version of the PMA400. The Kindle won't fit in a pocket. The PMA400 is a Linux computer and you can downlload or cross-compile applications. The JustReader program makes it a book reader. The Kindle only has 2 gig of storage and this has 30 gig. I have 5 gig of music and can play music and while reading. It also records and plays video.

I don't know why they discontinued it unless it is too complicated for too many people. I bought mine off ebay. The man said he bought it for his wife and she used it one day and put it in the closet.


Archos PMA400 Review

Now if it was just a little bit larger and had a fold down keyboard it would not need thos controls on the right side and could have a larger screen. Too much bigger and it wouldn't fit in a pocket. And then a 64 gig SSD and 600 MHz Snapdragon processor. It does pretty good for only 200 MHz.

I just saw one on ebay for $150 starting bid and no one was bidding. He didn't have a real picture so there was no way to tell how beat up it was.


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The Kindles appeal to me is the way the text appears without backlighting. If you're gonna be reading for a long time like you do with a book, then that seems most appropriate. Notebooks and laptops and smartphones with books on their big lit up screens don't do it for me at all.


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Default 29-01-10, 11:17 PM

Because nearly everything this company produces is style over substance designed for mindless sheep with money to waste.
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absolutely,PH.


there were always tech people who got the new electric/electronic/pc gadgets as SOON as they came out......

I knew some of these dudes.....they bought dvd players when they were 700 dollars just to be able to say they had them.....


somewhere along the line...these companies realized that if you made these items "cool" you'd get a much bigger group of early adopters....the tech people will get it , and pay a premium for it, because of the technology..... the others will get it because it's "cool" .




nowadays...they spend a lot of money on the design and product name of technology items before they come out........because if it' something that connects with the public like ipods.....

you have a goldmine...

i'm not mad at them........bells and whistles ALWAYS sell products more than their functionality....

it works out because the functional version of the same product is generally much cheaper...
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I don't even understand what this device is??


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I don't even understand what this device is??
All of these devices are just variations of

von Neumann Machines

That thing is a touch screen netbook without a keyboard and different software to be "productive" without a keyboard. Actually a slate with a Matias folding keyboard makes a certain amount of sense. But we are just getting different marketing strategies for von Neumann machines. It's like stereo equipment with the knobs in different places. And different colors to, black, silver, gold.

Stereos didn't have all of the software incompatibility problems back in the day though. LOL


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All of these devices are just variations of

von Neumann Machines

That thing is a touch screen netbook without a keyboard and different software to be "productive" without a keyboard. Actually a slate with a Matias folding keyboard makes a certain amount of sense. But we are just getting different marketing strategies for von Neumann machines. It's like stereo equipment with the knobs in different places. And different colors to, black, silver, gold.

Stereos didn't have all of the software incompatibility problems back in the day though. LOL


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Yeah.......what he said


Umb,you have to dial your IT-ese down a notch when you're responding to me,my edjumacation is lacking in this area.

Basically just wanna know,is this a computer? a computer/phone/i-pod combo or what?


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Think of it as an overgrown iPod Touch - does everything that does but bigger and faster. Other obvious use is as an e-book reader.

Everything it does can be done better by a different piece of kit made by someone else. What Apple appear to think is that enough people will like the idea of doing all of those things with one machine enough to buy an iPad. Not convinced personally, but we shall see.


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Yeah.......what he said


Umb,you have to dial your IT-ese down a notch when you're responding to me,my edjumacation is lacking in this area.

Basically just wanna know,is this a computer? a computer/phone/i-pod combo or what?
ROFL

That is my point. All of these devices ARE COMPUTERS.

Almost ALL COMPUTERS are really


von Neumann Machines.

These days the remote control for you TV is a von Neumann machine,

John von Neumann: Computing's Cold Warrior - TIME

Von Neumann Invasion

I worked for IBM for four years. I never saw the term von Neumann machine on any IBM documentation. I never heard anybody use it. John von Neumann worked for IBM as a consultant in the early 1950s but I never heard BOO.

Most of the words we are bombarded with are meaningless marketing gobble-dee-gook. The Palefaces are manipulating the technology for the money. Now how dumb are we going to be in falling for the drivel?


So the iPad is just another computer in a different shape that can't take pictures.

That is WEIRD!




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Default 31-01-10, 05:42 AM

VN machines are like the monolith in 2001 space odyssey. They self replicate from surrounding materials. Or 2061 Odysessy 2 to be more accurate I guess.

The scifi dream has always been to send them to another planet so they can spread and use the available materials to make more of themselves and make it earthlike before we get there. Foolishness

Humans are real VN machines... ipads and computers ain't yet. They don't make themselves dude


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Think of it as an overgrown iPod Touch - does everything that does but bigger and faster. Other obvious use is as an e-book reader.

Everything it does can be done better by a different piece of kit made by someone else. What Apple appear to think is that enough people will like the idea of doing all of those things with one machine enough to buy an iPad. Not convinced personally, but we shall see.
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ROFL

That is my point. All of these devices ARE COMPUTERS.

Almost ALL COMPUTERS are really


von Neumann Machines.

These days the remote control for you TV is a von Neumann machine,

John von Neumann: Computing's Cold Warrior - TIME

Von Neumann Invasion

I worked for IBM for four years. I never saw the term von Neumann machine on any IBM documentation. I never heard anybody use it. John von Neumann worked for IBM as a consultant in the early 1950s but I never heard BOO.

Most of the words we are bombarded with are meaningless marketing gobble-dee-gook. The Palefaces are manipulating the technology for the money. Now how dumb are we going to be in falling for the drivel?


So the iPad is just another computer in a different shape that can't take pictures.

That is WEIRD!




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Hmmmmmm,lemme just say,I ain't mad at it ,ME WANTY!!!

My mini-disc players and Kodak disc camera are looking for new mates to join their gang,lol.

I like the look of it,even the size,Apple are good at seducing people with the "lines'of a thing.
If someone gave it to me for free,I wouldn't harrrumph! or anything,certainly not laying out that kinda cheddar for something built in obsolescence though.

By the way Umb,is that you in the second vid?


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It seems Arthur C. Clarke got there before Apple:







Arthur C. Clarke's 2001 Newspad finally arrives, nine years late

With respects to flash, Adobe and Apple have some major beef. Some suggest flash is deliberately crap on Macs, others suggest Apple is trying not to let Adobe to have a monopoly on web video (All of youtube is flash based video) by relying on a more standardised coding option. Personally I wouldn't trust either Adobe or Apple, I think it's more a battle about the future of the"Mobile Web" Apple trying to establish it's own development platform (iPhone SDK) as opposed to Adobe's flash. Adobe is so worried about being out of the loop that the next version of Flash (CS5) will have the option to publish to iphone. Something for app developrs as opposed to the ordinary punter who wants to view flash websites or youtube videos on their ihardware.

Anyway some of the alternatives:

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Because nearly everything this company produces is style over substance designed for mindless sheep with money to waste.
I'm by no means an apple "fanboy" but some of Apple's designs in terms of usability as opposed to just style knocks the crap out of the opposition. Some interesting stuff from lead designer Jonathan Ive:

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Hmmmmmm,lemme just say,I ain't mad at it ,ME WANTY!!!

My mini-disc players and Kodak disc camera are looking for new mates to join their gang,lol.

By the way Umb,is that you in the second vid?
I remember thinking about getting a mini-disc but I wanted a changer and they took too long to come out with one. By then I could burn CDs.

Does that dude look like he built his first computer in 1978? I wish I was that young again.


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I remember thinking about getting a mini-disc but I wanted a changer and they took too long to come out with one. By then I could burn CDs.

Does that dude look like he built his first computer in 1978? I wish I was that young again.


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Well you know,black dont crack,so there was always the possibility it COULD be you.

Whilst I have your attention,is $70 a reasonable amount of money to pay for 1GB of RAM and the installation, for my MAC?,I'm currently operating on the bare minimum of RAM.
Originally the guy I spoke to said he could put in 2GB for 100$ and I didn't think it could support that much without exploding! but apparently it can,however I don't need that much,I'm just gonna go for the 1GB..and no I don't wanna hear about' you can buy the RAM and install it yourself,'this may well be true but I'd rather not mess with the innards and leave that business to the professionals,if it were something as simple as the installing an Airport card then I'd do it myself.

So waddya think re: the $ 70 ? My computer is i-Book,G4 currently operating quite well on 256MB of RAM,but I need to get increased memory to view certain things.

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So waddya think re: the $ 70 ? My computer is i-Book,G4 currently operating quite well on 256MB of RAM,but I need to get increased memory to view certain things.
It sounds on the side high to me but I am not a Mac person.

Macs tend to be on the high side.


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The new iPad, basically a larger iPhone without phone capabilities, makes us wonder what’s next, the iTurd?

Daily 49er - Our View: Jobs, Apple swindle consumers with iPad



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It sounds on the side high to me but I am not a Mac person.

Macs tend to be on the high side.


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You done wrote 9 million pages of IT gobbley-dee gook over the years,I ask you a question and this is the best answer you could give me?,this shit is dry,lol


Anyway,I took my mac into the nice folk at Tekserve in Manhattan, 23rd St and 6th ave,if anyone is curious.They do all sorts in there.

So anyway the lady tech I spoke with sez increasing my RAM wasn't going to address my particular issue,it's my processor which is my prob.I have a first GEN I-Book,so it's pretty ancient,but I luvs it,I'll probably buy another mac in about a year(used) but I love this one so much I wish I could break in an replace the processor,anyway all of that would be a waste of time and money.

Must give a shout out to the peeps at Tekserve,very helpful,nice layout in store,very helpful staff,from the security guards to the tech heads.Would recommend.

Think I'll go back and get my second gen I-pod sorted out.


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You done wrote 9 million pages of IT gobbley-dee gook over the years,I ask you a question and this is the best answer you could give me?,this shit is dry,lol


That is one of the funny and annoying things in life.

I don't LOVE technology the way non-tek people do. I haven't taken apart an Apple computer in more than 20 years and don't care about them. I went to an Apple store to check out the first iPod but I wasn't even thinking about buying one. $500 for a portable device to play music when my Panasonic Walkman was less than $100. RIDICULOUS!


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E-book readers with black-and-white screens look like they’re stuck in a time warp, now that Apple’s full-color iPad is on its way.




But not for long. A new generation of displays are waiting to bring full color and video to low-power displays, while maintaining readability in different environments. That’s something that Apple’s LCD-based “Moses tablet” — and E Ink’s low-power, monochrome screens — can’t do.

One of the e-reader hopefuls is Qualcomm, whose latest technology, named Mirasol, promises to combine color, speedy refresh rates and low power consumption in a single display. Qualcomm hopes to have the first color screens available in e-readers by fall this year.

“For e-readers users coming from a black-and-white world, this is going to be like ‘Oh, my prayers have been answered’,” says Cheryl Goodman, director of marketing for Qualcomm.

With an estimated 5 million sold last year, e-readers have become one of the fastest-growing consumer electronics categories. And while screen sizes and functionality may be different, they all have one thing in common: Almost all of them use a black-and-white display from E Ink, the company that pioneered the low-power technology. The reason that e-readers like Amazon’s Kindle, the Sony Reader and the Barnes & Noble Nook can go days or even weeks without a recharge is that they use power only when the screen changes. In between, while you’re reading the page, the screen draws no power because its pixels are “bistable” — they have two stable states, dark and light, and can remain in either state without drawing power.

But the iPad’s debut and its focus on e-reading has raised the stakes for Amazon and other entrants. Amazon has reportedly acquired Touchco, a company that could provide it with the technology to add a touchscreen to the Kindle. A push for a color display would likely come with any new product that would use the Touchco tech.

Qualcomm’s Mirasol could be one of the contenders. Mirasol displays work by modulating an optical cavity to reflect the desired wavelength of light. The reflected wavelength is proportional to the cavity’s depth.

And if you are wondering what a color low-power Mirasol screen looks like, think a glossy scientific textbook rather than an LCD screen. It’s subdued, somewhat low-contrast, but crystal clear. Its reflective surface means that it doesn’t have (or need) a backlight. Its pixels, like E Ink’s, are bistable, so it will draw power only when refreshing the screen. And it can play video.

“It’s a very good display for what it does, which is an extremely low-power color screen,” says Vinita Jakhanwal, an analyst with research firm iSuppli.

Color screens for e-readers are more than a question of aesthetics. Many genres of books, including textbooks, cookbooks and comics, require color illustrations to make them come alive. Magazines and even newspapers are rendered almost unrecognizable without color.

Low-power color displays could change that. They could also help convince reluctant consumers to get a gadget designed for reading, without giving up gains in battery life.

A 5.7-inch Mirasol screen, not much bigger than an index card, with a resolution of 1024 x 768 pixels, can offer at least five times the battery life of a 6-inch Kindle black-and-white Kindle display, says Goodman. The 5.7-inch screen is the size that Qualcomm is planning to debut its color displays in, though it says it can do larger screen sizes based on demand.

Mirasol displays are built on glass substrates. Thin films deposited on the substrate form one wall of the cavity, while the other wall is a highly reflective flexible membrane. An electric force applied across the cavity causes the membrane to collapse against the thin films. The cavity then becomes very thin, and the wavelength that is reflected moves into the ultraviolet spectrum.

For the viewer, this element, which is one pixel, is seen as black. Varying the depth of the cavity results in changes in the wavelengths reflected, which yields different colors.

“Because you use the lighting around to generate the image and color, it makes the display extremely low power,” says Jim Cathey, vice president of business development for Qualcomm.

And like the E Ink display, it is visible even in bright sunlight.

“Mirasol does color well but it has difficulty in reproducing gray scales,” says Jakhanwal. “When it comes to black-and-white, it is not as high contrast as an E Ink screen, but the advantage Qualcomm has is that it can offer color now.”

A Nascar race on the Mirasol display may not be pleasant, but the screen’s refresh rate of up to 24 frames per second is good enough for almost every other kind of video. In a demo at Wired.com, the screen showed a decent, sub-second refresh rate that was noticeably slower than 24 fps, but fast enough to show slow-motion moving images of butterflies.

Mirasol’s response time is also better than E Ink — in microseconds, compared to E Ink’s 200 or so milliseconds.

Still, many customers could find the videos on a Mirasol display unappealing, says Jakhanwal.

“Videos look much better in Mirasol than they do in E Ink,” she says. “But when you are watching video you want full color saturation and a washed-out picture is not that attractive,” she says.

Convincing e-reader manufacturers to bet on Mirasol won’t be easy. Qualcomm will have to compete against Pixel Qi, a scrappy California-based startup whose displays combine a full color LCD screen with a low-power black-and-white display. And then there’s E Ink, the current market leader that promises to come out with color displays by the end of the year.

Mirasol’s success will also depend on Qualcomm’s ability to prove that it can manufacture millions of displays that its customers will need. After all, Qualcomm is a chip company that’s known for creating processors that power smartphones, not displays. The Mirasol technology comes to the company through its acquisition of Iridigm Display five years ago.

Qualcomm says it’s serious about creating a place for itself in the display business. The company has set up a fabrication plant in Taiwan dedicated to producing Mirasol displays.

“Taking it from the lab to the fab is the tough part,” says Goodman. “But we have launched Mirasol on a few phones.” In 2008, one of the first handsets, the HiSense C108, featuring a black-and-white Mirasol display, debuted in China.

For the color screens, though, Qualcomm is betting on e-readers.

“The challenge in the e-reader market is that there are a lot of substitutes — the iPhone, laptop or the iPad,” says Qualcomm’s Cathey. “But we think consumers want color content and long usage between charges in a variety of environments.”


Read More Qualcomm Aims to Bring Color, Video to E-Readers | Gadget Lab | Wired.com
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