Cokely does a very good job of proving Jesse was the murderer. i believe him though i feel he tries to picture the murder scene too precisely. a lot of that should be left to conjecture. the most important thing is we know for sure Jesse Jackson had no reason to lie "the way he did" after the fact, unless he was the man who pulled the trigger.

another thing is he uses what i feel are unnecessary political or monetary motivations to support his case, that i feel are superfluous given the weight of evidence already amassed against Jesse.

Americans must be very hard people to convince. i mean show them a video recording of the shooting and they will still need more proof to be sure...

Bismillaah. Salaam/Peace. MLK LIVES! Peace. OriginalBM

after reading the comments to these videos, i feel people out there are thinking of this solely as a case of good versus bad, of a black person (Jesse) who many consider as kind (as in ilk) but is actually not kind, but a sociopath... even Cockley himself has made this conclusion judging from how he keeps the Judas - Jesus chant going throughout.

the known fact about this matter is Martin Luther King Jr., no matter how set up he was, was as guilty of a conspiracy against his own people as was Jesse Jackson. he should have known, in fact he knew the successes he was booking had the establishment's helping hand to thank. a lot of what he achieved would not have been possible for a black person, not at the time it was done, least of all the speed and extent he was allowed to become big, had it not been for support from the system itself.

Martin should have known this. he was definitely not a dumb person, even though he plagiarised a lot.

let us consider the norm where such individuals are concerned, walk through the ages and see that whenever the people need a leader, and one appears out of the blues, and he is good, they will follow him. to prevent the whole program running out of hand, the man at the centre of it all, the man giving the people what they want has to get surrounded by their own people, watched 24/7, so that all his successes and the direction he takes is carefully controlled.

this kind of thing happens to almost every known individual who has attained some level of public success in the US of A, or the entire west for that matter, and it must be happening with Obama right now as we speak. even a rapper like Tupac found himself surrounded by agents when he left prison and joined Death Row Records, and he realised this and talked about it in his songs. if they can do it to a young guy like him, what more some religious leader who takes his mission to a nationwide level.

Martin Luther was made famous to offset the rap coming out of the Nation of Islam camp, namely that of Malcolm X. he was considered safe, no threat, because he was teaching from within the western imperialist system's own accepted medium of addressing the people, namely Christianity.

as X himself stated, on the plantations, after an intelligent Afrikan had preached sense to the enslaved, upon getting word of this event, and unable to intervene directly without making the situation worse, the master would send in another black man or woman, usually an older fellow who held the respect of the enslaved, to undo whatever the young angry man had just done.

this was Martin Luther King's role, as far as i am concerned, as far as the logic goes. i think this was made clear to him at the last moment. it was made plain that it was all a dream, that he should cool down, and his rejection of that dictate, though it cost him his life, cannot make him a hero because he was as bad for the people as the worst of them.

he got assassinated because the establishment was not ready for the backlash of his message considering their commitment in Vietnam. a brave guy, that Martin, and a good guy to boot, but still on the wrong side of the good vs. bad battle.

MLK was a fool, while Jesse is hardly a double agent, but the perfect agent of the state, the people's worst fear actualized bacause such types will follow commands to the last line, no emotion involved, just business. the system has used him very well over the years...

ban this ....and remove this thread....



or .....keep it open and MAKE the creator answer questions when people get a chance to pose

@Toloane

Did Jesse kill MLK? I dunno. There are many theorists on this including Dr. Pepper's (the man not the soft drink) mysterious hit man Ramone or some latin sounding name anyway.......

Like many other NON AAs you do not see the full ramifications of choosing the route of MLK over the NOI and you also ignore history as I see you have a problem with MLK. As I have an issue with the MLK way as well, but I see the logic behind this route......

For one AAs are only 10% of this nation and scattered out at that. An "armed" revolution here would have a massacre and at best we would have ended up like the Native American nations rounded up and thrown on a reservation. Seeing as the majority of us here do not have an African country we can fall back to or the means to make a quick exit to said country, how is a physical demand going to be possible here in the offspring of the violent British who decimated the people that were here?

Peace was the only way because anything else would have meant possible externination.

Two AAs have been attacked before for no good reason in Tulsa in the 1920s just because they were doing better than some of the white people and when they fought back to defend a retreat, they were air bombed during the infancy of flight and before air bombing became a consistent part of war. And the next day the many who survived the attack were rounded up.

So if the gov't attacks us for fighting back, any AA arming would scare the regular American into seeing that we are a threat and excusing government into doing what ever they deemed necessary including mass extermination.

Three as Katrina and the riots in Birmingham proved, many Africans Continental and in the Diaspora are quick to talk about doing something, but slow to action if any at all. Through all the Africans dying on both fronts in those recent cases, I only know of a handful that actually did anything to help another African, but a lot of them sure stood up to voice their opinion to the crowd.

Four I know I know we could have asked to be treated fairly and given our own land inside the US, which would have still left us under Sovereign of the US and we would still have to avoid their laws. Again see the Native American nations and their use of casinos just to survive here.

Five I know we could have asked for land abroad...... which was tried with Liberia. And while Liberians have their problems, I could not see AAs from the 1960s forward forming their own nation w/o it breaking down within 2 months. We can't even keep our communities together, so God forbid a country. Liberians have nationalism, AAs think like Americans which is more independent like.

Six true while MLK was more accepted by mainstream America, it took the treatment of AA soldiers returning from WWII to actually start the federal push by Truman for AA Civil Rights. This push followed by three other presidents (who coincidentally still were not that ok with us having rights) who all made small steps in the CR push allowed for the MLK and X to come to the forefront as AA Civil Rights were one of the things causing American uneasiness as well as the fear of the expansion of communism here in the states. With American already on edge and 15 years after dropping two nukes, what makes you think that a similar act "to save American lives" would not have occurred to us?

Seven the NOI spoke on and called together the Million Man march over 10 years ago. The NOI like many AAs stood up and hyped the crowd, but like most African Continental and Diasporas it was all sugar no substance. So who is to say the NOI was the way to go? Where was the substance as they had the AA ear twice within a 30 year period and dropped the ball twice.

Eight please please please stop just throwing things out about my history when you only know the top layer. For AAs to get anything done in this country in terms of federal laws it is going to take the assistance of non AAs. Again we are only 10% and if the 90% vote against the 10%, no law will be formed. Most of you have no earthly idea of who Fannie Mae Hamer is and her role in our fight. I mean until you know who Fannie Mae Hamer and the interconnections of our history is how in the heck can you just talk about our heroes?

safety


a lot of this stuff written in the posts above yours is monday morning quarterbacking



unless a person was alive and over 13 years old at the time of MLK's death......they can talk and talk for years about what should have been done...but they lack the proper experience and context to speak authoritatively about it.

@ DtotheJ

I don't know DtotheJ, this was a few years before I was born, but I think we all have to study that time in history here really see how and why everything transpired the way it did. There are so many things interconnected at that time from the ending of WW2, Baby Boomers, King, Communism, the communist fought wars, Civil rights, women rights, the economy and many other things that kept America off balance, giving us civil rights at the time, seemed like a simple thing to do to "quiet down some of the natives" but not give them any more power than they already had.

I mean for instance where he insists that many people say that King was killed because he changed stances on the war, but many people seem to forget that the Poor People's campaign is most likely what got King killed. He was starting to build an army to fight the capitalist ways our country was built on and who controls our gov't? Corporations.

He was bringing all poor people of all nationalities into the mix during his second phase as the "Negro" leader was going to far by not only leading AAs, but becoming a leader of the poor of the nation against the system. And since the poor outnumber the rich here and that the poor were asking for communist like provisioning from the government at the cost of big business, TO ME it only seems feasible that the government and big business cut this uprising off at the head.

Although the racism and take over theories are feasible, the Civil Rights Act had already been established and I am sure spies would have told of MLK's upcoming plan which was to stage national uprisings of all races across the nation. We were fighting against communism (our greatest national fear during the time) externally and could not afford to allow this to take hold internally giving Russia an internal ally. If you think about it, the nation as we know it could have theoretically collapsed if King had been allowed to go forward. Since America was in Communist squashing mode, it seems that this would be another feasible theory to me.

Safety

if poor and non rich whites ever got mobilized to challenge the system en masse, there would be drastic change in america...

yes, that was where king was headed which made him more dangerous to the powers that be...




my point about monday morning QB was directed what I inferred from you about what the brother was saying about choosing Elijah muhammad's ways over King's.

as if we today can honestly discuss it without having lived during that period...

in all fairness..... haven't viewed the videos....

Neither have I viewed the videos and you were right in both cases on the Monday morning QBing.

I never meant that last part for you, just attempting to further refute his case on MLK and hopefully triggering him to do more research on the era and the man before the off the wall convictions start flying.

"white supremacy" is used by the powers to keep masses of whites in control......


same way they pit ethnic groups against each other when they colonized the world...

King tried to get masses of whites to wake up....

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Your point about the feasibilty of true revolution was on point....people can talk.....but actions speak louder than words....

African Americans, and to be honest I have a problem with that name because you should be just called American. I feel the hyphenation makes it appear as if you were recent arrivals like Jews (who interestingly are just American or Italians) when in reality you built America and many of you have been there longer than most of the Europeans especially those not from Britain.

Anyway I feel that AAs are caught between a rock and a hard place. There is not enough of you to make a real difference without the help of the white majority and if you did conduct direct action,