The state of Africa, "is a scar on the conscience of the world. But if the world as a community focused on it, we could heal it. And if we don't, it will become deeper and angrier." -TONY BLAIR

With the current G8 meeting in Georgia do you think that the G8 will do something about the poverty in Africa?Now look at this: Zambia, Mali, Niger and the Gambia spend more on debt servicing each year than they do on education so If G8 Leaders are willing to write off $90 billion for Iraq, why not a third of that for Africa?.......... Lets talk

Blair seems to take it seriously (well he's talking about it anyway) but other leaders seem reluctant. I think I know where US and Japan will stand on this one LOL and therefore debt relief won't go anywhere.... for a while at least

The only thing that's gonna fix Africa is US.

THEY, aren't gonna do a damned thing. You really think them white boys give a shit about all them Black people?

Trust me when I tell you they don't. Tunisia, Zimbabwe and Kenya are already tourist travel sites, and that's exactly what they want for the rest of Africa. One great big white money-machine. They are just waiting for the last Black Africa to fall.

You wanna change things? GET MAD. Organise, educate, network and mobilize. Because our people are dying in nightmarish droves and we've been sitting back watching it happen and talking about it like its a damned TV show.

It's not. It's REAL.

And the only way its gonna change is to get the white man out of Africa-period.

Since its the world is a global village so I dont really care whether whites,chinese or arabs are in africa after all Atfrica has a tripple herritage and the biggest campaigners for debt relief in Africa are whites so race is not an issue here..

the debt of the 42 poorest and most indebted countries amounts to $35 billion. The World Bank estimates that a minimum of $2.3 billion new relief is needed immediately to keep its HIPC(Highly Indebted Poor Countries)program from collapse www.worldbank.org/hipc

some of the world's poorest people are already paying for the War on Terror, as the giving of aid by the world's richest countries becomes ruled by the rhetoric of 'with us or against us' at the same time rich countries can afford the deeper debt relief required. What they cannot afford is the current crisis of poverty and instability. Debt relief is an essential component of the G8 Leaders' commitment to African peace and security.

@ Coltrane

TThe biggest campaigners for debt relief in Africa are not Europeans anyway a much bigger issue is the siphoning of our natural resources and misuse of our land

What about the shameless EU & US subsidising farmers who are unnecessary to them and theirpopulations soley to undercut third world farmers all over the world and stifle development.... This makes the poorer countries forever reliant on the big economies and debt relief grows.... Its not in their interest to cut debt and keep a level playing field.

DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE MYTH OF FREE TRADE

Subsidies on one side and restrictions on imports the other side LOL! There is no point of the G8 talking about poverty unless they wish to address these issues properly hey?

@sister Africa

so who are the campaigners? as far as I remeber its been all the way back since the Bob Geldof and the 1985 at the LiveAid Concert,went through QUINCY jones and others and now we got Bono fro US band as well as Anita Rodick of BodyShop.

Now we believe in free trade, don't we? Yes - if it's for our own goods. Not if it's for theirs. The EU and the US together give their farmers some $350bn in subsidy a year, about $1bn per day. This is more than the annual GDP of all the sub-Saharan countries put together. How can they cope? The US gives $3bn a year in subsidy to 40,000 American cotton farmers. As a result the world price for cotton is so low that some 10 million people in West Africa are not able to make a living from cotton production. On the local markets in Ghana, because of the EU subsidy, Italian tinned tomatoes are cheaper than the locally supplied variety.

Is there any hope? I'm not sure. But I do believe that the future of Africa lies in its people, not its governments. I don't mean those out in the bush: they have no chance just now. They will be buffeted between militias and government troops, migrating from one country to another in search of better living conditions.

COLONIALTRANE SAID:The state of Africa, "is a scar on the conscience of the world. But if the world as a community focused on it, we could heal it. And if we don't, it will become deeper and angrier." -TONY BLAIR

AND YOU BELIEVE HIM.Africa is a scar on the history of Europeans. Arabs too. But they dont control the world economy. They will get their day.

Hrunopi said:

The only thing that's gonna fix Africa is US.

THEY, aren't gonna do a damned thing. You really think them white boys give a shit about all them Black people?

Trust me when I tell you they don't. Tunisia, Zimbabwe and Kenya are already tourist travel sites, and that's exactly what they want for the rest of Africa. One great big white money-machine. They are just waiting for the last Black Africa to fall.

You wanna change things? GET MAD. Organise, educate, network and mobilize. Because our people are dying in nightmarish droves and we've been sitting back watching it happen and talking about it like its a damned TV show.

It's not. It's REAL.

And the only way its gonna change is to get the white man out of Africa-period.

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Then this:

some of the world's poorest people are already paying for the War on Terror, as the giving of aid by the world's richest countries becomes ruled by the rhetoric of 'with us or against us' at the same time rich countries can afford the deeper debt relief required. What they cannot afford is the current crisis of poverty and instability. Debt relief is an essential component of the G8 Leaders' commitment to African peace and security.

You are white in mind. I suggest white in colour too.If you are black you are a beggar. Nothing more nothing less.

Begging white people to sort your problems.
Believing white people are fighting for Africans more than Africans worldwide themselves.

Ive said this many times. AFRICA for AFRICANS. It will always be a race issue because whites

1) Are G8 members.(the Japanese are honarary whites in policy)
2)Do not want to give up their priviligages which they have stolen and brutilised so hard for.
3) need an unlevel playing field to PROSPER.

As Drunk monkey said:
DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE MYTH OF FREE TRADE.

What they mean is free rein for white nations to expolit others. Period.

Aware Black people are not fooled by rhetoric no more. And we do not beg whites for concesssions. The world economy is based on expoiting the poor. To have 'poor' people means that there are 'rich' people. And 'rich' people do not get richer in isolation.

The WORLD BANK. Read Euro US Bank.
The G8. Read exclusive club for top shotters(to use street grammar)
OXFAM: Read Self induldent whites who promote blacks solving their problems under Eurpoean RULES and not breaking the masters rules!
AID: Read extortion.

COLONIALTRANE:

Crawl back under your rock.
Beg whites for equality
Promote a tripple destiny for Africa

Expoitation, Infiltration, and domination. Thats the only trinity u promote.

@Hrunopi

Im mad..ready to mobilise and seek more education. How do I vent this. Expand brother.

G8 extends debt relief programme








Africa is the only part of the developing world no better off than 25 years ago.On the last day of their summit, G8 leaders have agreed to extend a debt relief scheme for the world's poorest countries by two years.
The initiative, managed by the IMF, provides support to 27 nations, mostly from Africa, but was due to expire at the end of this year.
But there has reportedly been no agreement on a British proposal to cancel all debts owed.
Earlier the group called on Sudan to disarm militias in western Darfur.
Blaming the rebels for massive human rights violations, they urged both sides to respect the ceasefire.
Poverty trap
Earlier the G8 leaders, meeting on Sea Island off the coast of Georgia, met with six African leaders - from Algeria, Ghana, Nigeria, Senegal, South Africa and Uganda - to discuss a plan to train 75,000 peacekeepers for Africa, and programme to co-ordinate research to find a vaccine for HIV/Aids.






How much progress has been made on debt relief?

At-a-glanceAfrica remains the only part of the developing world no better off than it was 25 years ago.
This is despite many initiatives in past decades - from the Brandt Commission and Live Aid in the 1980s to more recent efforts such as Washington's Aids fund and Africa's own Nepad partnership.
Growth rates and life expectancy are falling and poverty is growing amid the Aids epidemic and continuing war, corruption and bad governance.
Per capita income in sub-Saharan Africa is now estimated to be $200 lower than in 1974.
Twenty-three of the 27 countries that have qualified for debt relief under the so-called Heavily Indebted Poor Countries (HIPC) initiative are in Africa.
Human rights violated
Originally conceived as a way to relieve $100bn of debt for countries that have sound government, the plan has in fact only cancelled $31bn so far.







We call especially on the Sudanese government to disarm immediately the Janjaweed and other armed groups which are responsible for massive human rights violations in Darfur

G8 statement
"We are committed to fully implementing the HIPC initiative and to supporting debt sustainability in the poorest countries through debt relief and grant financing," the G8 leaders said in a joint statement.
Now the initiative will run until 31 December 2006.
The G8 statement on Sudan said the group - made up of the UK, US, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan and Russia - looked to the United Nations to lead the international effort to avert "a major disaster" in Darfur - described as one of the world's worst humanitarian crises.
"There are continuing reports of gross violations of human rights, many with an ethnic dimension," the statement said.
"We call on all parties to the conflict to immediately and fully respect the ceasefire, allow unimpeded humanitarian access to all those in need, and create the conditions for the displaced to return safely to their homes."
"We call especially on the Sudanese government to disarm immediately the Janjaweed and other armed groups which are responsible for massive human rights violations in Darfur," said the statement.

@MANSAMUSA

I accept that you can have your opinion and speak out your mind as I do believe we are having a constructive conversation & attack on personalities isnt a way foward as we both want good for the continent.

Since you are advocating alienating whites altogether so where would Africans get money to buy those GENERIC drugs for HIV?If not Brazil then it will be India and by that you cant alienate worldbank altogetther but you need to work with them on a steady ground same as you will need UN organs like UNESCO and UNDP.

Is there any hope? I'm not sure. But I do believe that the future of Africa lies in its people, not its governments. I don't mean those out in the bush: they have no chance just now. They will be buffeted between militias and government troops, migrating from one country to another in search of better living conditions

the people who matter are those in the African diaspora - the migrant workers who clean our streets and office toilets, who prop up the NHS and the social services, our catering and hotel industries. The people who are saving all they can, remitting little sums to their families back home to build a house, improve a plot of land, send a nephew or a cousin to primary school or an elderly mother to the clinic. They are the people who build from where it matters - at the grassroots. They will build up the structures that they need. They are the ones we need to support and encourage.

Personally I think its Trade and not Aid that Africa desperatelyneeds,and since you dont want to deal with white people altogether how would you trade intercontinentaly in a where a world trade is governed with TWO guidelines?

@COLONIALTRANE

You are not promoting good for the continent. You are promoting dependense on whites..

"oh who will be nice to us to give us drugs against disease that was STARTED by Europeans in the frenconnect 1st place!"

"oh thers no hope i dont know if we will survive without whites good will"

so why not promote African countries to develop the drugs in the first place.. why not see the potential for AFRICAN scientists to develop their own drugs..

Africa needs to unite. This will happen. For people do what is neccesary to survive. And we are survivors.

THE PEOPLE WHO MATTER ARE ALL ARFRICANS. WE ARE NOT MAGICALLY REMOVED FROM THEM. AFRICAN DESTINY IS THE DIASPRORANS DESTINY ULTIMATLEY. ARFICA HAS ENOUGH RESOURCES AND CAN SOLVE ITS ENERGY NEEDS BY ITSELF. THE CONTINENT HAS RENEWABLE RESOURCES THAT CAN SERVE TWICE OVER AFRICAS ENERGY NEEDS. DONT TELL ME WE NEED WHITES TO SURVIVE. YOU ARE A WEAK MINDED INDIVIDUAL WHO HAS NO REAL BELEIF IN AFRICANS SOVING THEIR PROBLEMS BY THEMSELVES. YOU BELIEVE IN YOUR ENEMIES BULLSHIT. YOU TAKE ON THEIR RHETORIC AND RUN WITH IT.

The people who are in the West slaving for pittance are not the saviour for AFRICA. the saviours will be the ones who do for themselves, develop businees , promote African culture, languages, who imvest REAL money and technical know how from the Diaspora and not beggars. The people in the bush need to rise and overthrow the neocolonists who are buying BM's and Mercedes and ivesting their peoples money in WESTERN BANKS.

Have some damn pride. believe in yourself. and stop thinking that Africa has maybe some hope..

Im all for trade under our conditions. africa can trade within itself and prosper. there is nothing the West has materially or ecomically that they dont have already. thatwhy the f*****rs are in african countries extracting our minerals and owning our land like thers no tomorrow. And you have the cheek to say that we camnt survive without them. Look at Cuba. small little island that has been at the butt of Western trade for decades. They can do it.. so why cant a continent. Because of weak mind no vision people like you who can only think ..to a borrow a phrase from a true soldier in this forum..IN WHITE TERMS.No heart and no fight. thats why you think like you do.

Stop begging for whites to solve your problems. Get whites out of Africa b/c they are predators. Who cares about guidelines when your working within your own guidelines. if this can be done on a island scale why can it not be done on a continental scale. oh I forgot "they will never unite.. blacks are killing each other too much.. we need white intervention.."

UNESCO, the UN thse are all white orgs that are the freindly cop.. WORLD BANK and the rest are the BAD COPS.. you still wanna confess.

I rest my case COLONIALTRANE.

@mansamusa

I havebeen reading youravalanche of responses since my "G8 & AFRICA " went into the forum. Some ninety percent ofyour comments that I have received of frustration and angry and I cant do anything about it.

Like you, I do think such a debate is healthy. But unlik