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hmmm its funny everyone expects the Arab nation to interven, but I do not see Nigeria sending troops to help the Africans.


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What outcry if any has come from the Sudanese government, the Sudanese civil societies, the countries in the region or even the AU? None at all! Therefore black africa sees this as an internal matter for the government of Sudan to deal with and are reluctant to intervene. The media stirs the loins of those individuals in the west who are already preconditioned to hatred of a specific group of people and now everyone is on the same bandwagon. Other than numerous tomes here as to how you hate one group of humanity over another, what specifically are you doing or going to do to remedy the present situation?
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Do you blame Nigeria with all the Muslim verses Christian crap in that country as well, start shipping troops out and what do you think would happen? Someone would take advantage. Plus Sudan is in the ARAB league, NIGERIA isn't. ok.

The Sudanese under attack need tactical and logisticalsupport, Nigeria probably can't offer that anyway, they haven't the equipment to do the job effectively.

And Sooofresh all you can do is divert attention and shift the blame elsewheresince you are incapable of focusing on the problem at hand whichulimately is the Sudanese government ARMING the perpetuators of the crimes being commited over there, which will lead to Genocide if people sit around to long...and again people BORN in Sudan seem to agree with me more.

PersonallyI shouldn't even be wasting my time with some 18 year old kid who is more interested in defending the realm instead of justice.
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@peacemaker I do not believe anyone in this topic is born in Sudan , I think it just rolls out of their lips to make what they say sound more true.One person does not represent the whole of Sudan

Second it was you who said that Arabs should intervene WHY SHOULD THEY?

Listen whether you like it, you lived in Midlands all your life, you have never been to any country to Africa so you just dont have a foggiest idea.

Wether you like it or not this is a tribal war where both are African Muslims, and you just cannot handle the fact that Arab does not come in the equation.

All form of killings is wrong towards any type of people.

now either come with logic or get back to reading The SUN, where you get your info

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What outcry if any has come from the Sudanese government, the Sudanese civil societies, the countries in the region or even the AU? None at all! Therefore black africa sees this as an internal matter for the government of Sudan to deal with and are reluctant to intervene. The media stirs the loins of those individuals in the west who are already preconditioned to hatred of a specific group of people and now everyone is on the same bandwagon. Other than numerous tomes here as to how you hate one group of humanity over another, what specifically are you doing or going to do to remedy the present situation?
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Well whatI would is waste my time arguing over skin tone and when in fact it is the religion which is to blame. Hence why sellout blacks tend to support the genocide...oh and these sellout blacks tend to be Muslims as well.
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It's more than just a coincidence don't you think.
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Actually personally given the power I'd probably make a regime change in Sudan using NATO troops..
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I only hate people who don't want problems to be solved and I'm sorry they tend to be Muslims.
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Pro-active people actually do something..the pro-active people are everybody but Muslims looking at the world at the moment...FACT...and this thread for that matter..oh it's Anti-Arab time.....oh lets forget the real victims and concentrate on yourselves....You bunch of selfish sons of a bitches.
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While you're wasting you time mulling over why it's happening..it's bloody happening....I don't care reallywho is doing it, it's happening anyway.
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genocide=muslims true

genocide=Jewish people in Israel

kidding yourself

I say ban all religions

BUT then their will be other scapegoats, probably end up blaming Arawak Indians

Chupidness


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@peacemaker I do not believe anyone in this topic is born in Sudan , I think it just rolls out of their lips to make what they say sound more true.One person does not represent the whole of Sudan
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Funny I sense that you're the one that lies alot.



Second it was you who said that Arabs should intervene WHY SHOULD THEY?



ARAB ****ing league ok...No way have you been to Sudan if you don't know that. You're full of shit.

Listen whether you like it, you lived in Midlands all your life, you have never been to any country to Africa so you just dont have a foggiest idea.
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This has to do with what exactly oh..you divert attention again....are poor poor victim...you getting it worse than all those REAL Sudanese.


Wether you like it or not this is a tribal war where both are African Muslims, and you just cannot handle the fact that Arab does not come in the equation.

Sudanese people say otherwise...Now I'm I gonna believe some punk kid or people from Sudan....now let me see...decisions decisions.

All form of killings is wrong towards any type of people.

Yeah you believe in the death penalty. Hmmmm.

now either come with logic or get back to reading The SUN, where you get your info

Learn to read, or if you want you can goto the Guardian internationalforums and spout your shit there...and see how long you last.
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genocide=muslims true

genocide=Jewish people in Israel

kidding yourself

I say ban all religions

BUT then their will be other scapegoats, probably end up blaming Arawak Indians

Chupidness
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Contribute something relevant to the topic or even better offer silence...silly child.
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And do Africians say CHUPIDness normally a Caribbean thing that.....funnyI remember you saying you avoid all South Africians and West Indians...Why are you trying to speak like them?
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Make your mind up.
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Scoofresh ,

We are not asking the Arab world to send troops, all we are saying is why hasn't any Arab country criticize Sudan like they do Israel.

As for north and south co-exiting prior to british coming I doubt it. If the North and south co-exited just fine why would northerners not oppose the naming of a street after a slave trader(Zubeir Pasha), knowing how much southerners suffered.

Do you think you could get away naming a street after a famous slave trader in the USA?

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[align=center]Suggested Reading[/align]
Alier, Abel. Southern Sudan: Too Many Agreements Dishonoured. 1990 Exeter: Ithaca Press.

An-Na’im, Abdullahi and Peter Kok. Fundamentalism and Militarism: A Report on the Root Causes of Human Rights Violations in The Sudan. 1991 New York: The Fund for Peace.

Anti-Slavery International Is There Slavery in Sudan? 2001. London: Anti-Slavery International.

Baum, Gerhart Statement of the Special Rapporteur of the Commission on Human Rights on the Situation of Human Rights in Sudan Commission on Human Rights 58
th Session, 2002.

CEAWC Awareness Raising Workshop (Summary Report). 15-16 May 2000. Sponsored by the Committee for the Eradication of the Abduction of Women and

Children, Save the Children United Kingdom, and the Government of West Kordofan State.

CEAWC Briefing about the Committee for the Eradication of Abduction of Women and Children May 1999-April 2002, (Dr. Ahmed el Mufti, Chairman).

Christian Aid The Scorched Earth: Oil and War in Sudan. 2001 Christian Aid.

Collins, Robert "The Nilotic Slave Trade: Past and Present" in Human Commodity, edited by Elizabeth Savage.London: Frank Cass.

Cunnison, Ian. Baggara Arabs: Power and Lineage in a Sudanese Nomad Tribe 1966 Oxford: Clarendon Press.

Daly, M. W. Imperial Sudan: The Anglo-Egyptian Condominium, 1934-1956. Cambridge: Cambridege University Press.

Daly, M. W. Empire on the Nile: The Anglo-Egyptian Sudanese 1898-1934. 1986 Cambridge: Cambridge University Press.

Deng, Francis. War of Visions: Conflict of Identities in Sudan. 1995. Washington DC: Brookings Institution.

Duffield, Mark, Philip Winter, John Ryle, Jok Madut Jok, Fiona O’Reilly and David Keen. 2000. Sudan: The Unintended Effects of Aid. European Commission Humanitarian Office (ECHO).

Gagnon, Georgette and John Ryle. Investigation into Oil Development, Conflict and Displacement in Western Upper Nile, Sudan. 2001 Canadian Auto Workers Union, Steelworkers Humanity Fund, World Vision, Symons Foundation, Sudan Inter-Agency Reference Group (http://www.ideationconferences.com/s...ourcespage.htm)

Hill, Richard Egypt in the Sudan 1820-1881 London: Oxford University Press 1959.

Holt, Peter and M. W. Daly. A History of Sudan from the Coming of Islam to the Present Day. 1988 London: Longman.

Human Rights Watch Children of Sudan: Slaves, Street Children and Child Soldiers. 1995. Washington, DC: Human Rights Watch/ Africa.

Human Rights Watch Civilian Devastation: Abuses by All Parties in the War in South Sudan. 1994. Washington, DC: Human Rights Watch/ Africa.

Human Rights Watch Denying the Honor of Living: Sudan, A Human Rights Disaster. 1990. Washington, DC: Human Rights Watch/ Africa.

Johnson, Douglas H. The Root Causes of Sudan’s Civil Wars. Forthcoming 2002.

Jok, Jok Madut. War and Slavery in Sudan. 2001 Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press.

Keen, David. The Benefits of Famine: A Political Economy of Famine and Relief in Southwestern Sudan, 1983-1989. 1994 Princeton: Princeton University Press.

Lienhardt, Godfrey Divinity and Experience: The Religion of the Dinka 1960 Oxford: Oxford University Press.

Mahmud, Ushari and Suleyman Ali B Baldo Al Daien Massacre - Slavery in Sudan 1987: Khartoum.

O’Fahey, R.S. "Slavery and the Slave Trade in Dar Fur" Journal of African History 14:1 1973.

Prendergast, John et al. God, Oil and Country: Changing the Logic of War in Sudan. 2002 Brussels: International Crisis Group Press.

Rone, Jemera. Behind the Red Line: Political Repression in Sudan. 1996 Washington, DC: Human Rights Watch/ Africa.

Ryle, John and Kwaja Yai Kuol. Displaced Southern Sudanese in Northern Sudan. 1989 Save the Children Fund (SCF-UK).

Savage, E. The Human Commodity: Perspectives on the Trans-Saharan Slave Trade 1992 London: Frank Cass.

Segal, Ronald Islam’s Black Slaves. 2001. New York: Farrar, Straus, Giroux.

Sikainga, Ahmad Alawad Slaves into Workers: Emancipation and Labor in Colonial Sudan 1996 Austin: University of Texas.

UNICEF Progress Report to the European Economic Community on Support to Action Against the Abduction of Women and Children in Sudan. 2001. UNICEF: Khartoum.

US State Department Sudan Country Report on Human Rights Practices. March 4, 2002.

USAID/OFDA Briefing Book- Sudan Slavery and Forced Abduction Commission. February 2002.



Other Reading

The Harker Report:

Part 1:
http://www.dfait-maeci.gc.ca/foreignp/3110186-e.pdf

Part 2:
http://www.dfait-maeci.gc.ca/foreignp/3109943-e.pdf

Hiding Between the Streams
, the war on civilians in the oil regions of southern Sudan
/04.02, Christian Aid

http://www.christian-aid.org/indepth...suda/sudan.htm

The Sudan Peace Act

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...180eah.txt.pdf

The Scorched Earth, Oil and war in Sudan; An eyewitness report by Christian Aid, 15 March, 2001

http://64.4.14.250/cgi-bin/linkrd?_l...%2fsudan%2ehtm

John Ryle & Georgette Gagnon, Report of an Investigation Into Oil Development, Conflict, and Displacement in Western Upper Nile, Sudan, October 2001

(Available on website:
http://www.freedom-quest.ca

Amnesty International, "Sudan---The Human Price of Oil"; London, May 3, 2000;

God, Oil and Country: Changing the Logic of war in Sudan,

Available from the International Crisis Group,
http://www.crisisweb.org

Vitrade Website:
http://www.vitrade.com

Sudan Net:
http://www.sudan.net

Freedom Quest:
http://www.freedom-quest.ca




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ANYWAY

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so you know the opnions of all sudanease people based on a one slavemaster street nameconfused3

You asked to name one slavemaster street named in America?

Okay! but I am sure that certain big coop in America has a link thatÂ*goes back to the slavemasters

At the end of the day I have got nothing to gain from stating that the majority of people in Sudan oppose the government.

I am basing things on experience, and that is the majority of Sudanease people north AND south oppose the government.

Take it or leave it.

@name; what on the cockadoodle are you on about? you are on your early 20s and you go on like you are a big man/woman whatever you decide to claim to be.FOOL


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