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Why were you feigning interest in the miserable lives and deaths of the people in Sudan only then in the next sentence you say that your interest lies in your graphics card?
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I'm interested because it's information, I just don't care of the outcome, why should I whendoesn't it have an baring on my life?...again it's happening, you people seem to be more concerned about who is doing it, personally I wouldn't say your interest is that great in the people's suffering. And yes my Graphic card is slightly more important. The Frames per seconds whenplaying UT 2004 and full settings is slightly mind blowing.
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That is one sick mother! A person who claims to be a human being, weilds the misery ofa million peopleas a metaphorical clubin an attempt to beat muslims with it. You are a disgrace!
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Human beings generally create all the evil on the Earth...I guess it's something to be proud of....Again you're more concerned about Muslims than the people suffering. All I'm doing is merely high lighting the selfishness of most of you, a selfishness that most of us share...I just don't hide behind religion to justify evil unlike you....which is the real disgrace....as you may know the people suffering are also Muslims.
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Some interesting responses... but for the moment... I have neither the time or the inclination to actually deal with some of the f.uck-wit comments...
But let me just deal with one question...
@MansaMusa
When you try to distinguish between Africans who are cafe au lait brown... and those who are dark chocolate brown... reacting purely emotionally... with vindictiveness... hatred... and violence... you immediate response in the way that Europeans have intended... parroting the worst aspects of their behaviour... without any deep level of spiritual analyst and thought... especially from an African perspective...
In that... you do THEIR job...fulfilling THEIR agenda...
Simply... if WE wish to kill... lay waste... and slaughter everything in sight down to their babies... their goats... even their pet hamsters... let it be under OUR steam... where it is truly merited from an African tradition... rather than just on the basis of a knee-jerk reaction in response to the falsehood and hatred spawned by the Western media...
Â****Shakes head***
Hmmmmmm...?
Something that I've seen grow to even greater prominence over the last couple of months... allowing European/"white" views... ideas and liesÂ*to dictate our modes of thought behaviour... action and being
...Simply... the situation in Sudan is not a simple situation of "Arabs" versus Africans... see my reference to the Rwanda situation... where an entireÂ*basisÂ*of African cultural... biological... cultural and historical identity can be wholely distortedÂ*within a matter of just over two generations of European colonialism...
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It all just depends on how deeply... you either want to... or can... see...
...Outta here...
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THE BEST ANALYSIS OF THE SITUATION SO FAR!
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Sooofresh, this may shed some light on the history of Darfur. Dar = Home, Fur = ethnic group, therefore Darfur = Home of the Fur.
Darfur Sultanate - 1596-1916
Darfur [Darfour, Dar Fur ] was an independent Muslim sultanate, the Kingdom of Darfur. While the Mahdist revolution of the nineteenth century attempted to create an Islamic state, the Mahdi's rule (and that of his successor Khalifa Abdullahi) faced armed resistence from the remnants of the Fur Sultanate. The Fur were never fully subjected to the strict Islamic rule of the Mahdist state. In the area of procedural law, Darfur's Sultans adopted Islamic law. In other areas the Sultanate remained firmly a sacral state based on Fur ethnicity.
The sultans operated the slave trade as a monopoly. They levied taxes on traders and export duties on slaves sent to Egypt, and took a share of the slaves brought into Darfur. Some household slaves advanced to prominent positions in the courts of sultans, and the power exercised by these slaves provoked a violent reaction among the traditional class of Fur officeholders in the late eighteenth century. The rivalry between the slave and traditional elites caused recurrent unrest throughout the next century.
Renowned as cavalrymen, Fur clans frequently allied with or opposed their kin, the Kanuri of Borno, in modern Nigeria. According to tradition Islam was introduced, about the 14th century, by Tunjur Arabs, who reached Darfur by way of Bornu and Wadai. The first Tunjur king was Ahmed-el-Makur, who married the daughter of the last Tago monarch. Ahmed reduced many unruly chiefs to submission, and under him the country prospered. His great-grandson, the sultan Dali, a celebrated figure in Darfur histories, was on his mothers side a For, and thus was effected a union between the negro and Arab races. Dali divided the country into provinces, and established a penal code, which, under the title of Kitab Dali or Dalis Book, is still preserved, and shows principles essentially different from those of the Koran.
After a period of disorder in the sixteenth century, during which the region was briefly subject to Bornu, the leader of the Keira clan, Sulayman Solong (1596-1637), supplanted a rival clan and became Darfur's first sultan. Sulayman Solong (usually distinguished by the Forian epithet Solon, the Arab or the Red) decreed Islam to be the sultanate's official religion. However, large-scale religious conversions did not occur until the reign of Ahmad Bakr (1682-1722), who imported teachers, built mosques, and compelled his subjects to become Muslims. In the eighteenth century, several sultans consolidated the dynasty's hold on Darfur, established a capital at Al Fashir, and contested the Funj for control of Kurdufan.
Soleiman's grandson, Ahmed Bahr (1682-1722), made Islam the religion of the state, and increased the prosperity of the country by encouragingimmigration from Bornu and Bagirmi. His rule extended east of the Nile as far as the banks of the Atbara. Under succeeding monarchs the country, involved in wars with Sennar and Wadai, declined in importance.
Towards the end of the 18th century a sultan named Mahommed Terab led an army against the Funj, but got no further than Omdurman. Here he was stopped by the Nile, and found no means of getting his army across the river. Unwilling to give up his project, Terab remained at Omdurman for months. He was poisoned by his wife at the instigation of disaffected chiefs, and the army returned to Darfur.
The next monarch was Abd-er-Rahman, surnamed el-Raschid or the Just. It was during his reign that Napoleon Bonaparte was campaigning in Egypt; and in I799 Abd-er-Rahman wrote to congratulate the French general on his defeat of the Mamelukes. To this Bonaparte replied by asking the sultan to send him by the next caravan 2000 black slaves upwards of sixteen years old, strong and vigorous. To Abd-er-Rahman likewise is due the situation of the Fasher, or royal township. The capital had formerly been at a place called Kobb.
[align=left]Mahommed-el-Fadhl, his son, was for some time under the control of an energetic eunuch, Mahommed Kurra, but he ultimately made himself independent, and his reign lasted till 1839, when he died of leprosy. He devoted himself largely to the subjection of the semi-independent Arab tribes who lived in the country, notably the Rezeigat [Rizighat], thousands of whom he slew. In 1821 he lost the province of Kordofan, which in that year was conquered by the Egyptians. Of his forty sons, the third, Mahommed Hassin, was appointed his successor.
Hassin is described as a religious but avaricious man. In the later part of his reign he became involved in trouble with the Arab slave raiders who had seized the Bahr-el-Ghazal, looked upon by the Darfurians as their especial slave preserve. The Bahr-el-Ghazal paid tribute of ivory and slaves to Darfur, and these were the chief articles of merchandise sold by the Darfurians to the Egyptian traders along the Arbamn. road to Assiut. The loss of the Bahr-el-Ghazal caused therefore much annoyance to the people of Darfur.
Hassin died in 1873, blind and advanced in years, and the succession passed to his youngest son Ibrahim, who soon found himself engaged in a conflict with Zobeir, the chief of the Bahr-el-Ghazal slave traders, and with an Egyptian force from Khartum. The war resulted in the destruction of the kingdom. Ibrahim was slain in battle in the autumn of 1874, and his uncle Hassab Alla, who sought to maintain the independence of his country, was captured in 1875 by the troops of the khedive, and removed to Cairo with his family.
[align=left]The Darfurians were restive under Egyptian rule. Various revolts were suppressed, but in 1879 General Gordon (then governor-general of the Sudan) suggested the reinstatement of the ancient royal family. This was not done, and in 1881 Slatin Bey (Sir Rudolf von Slatin) was made governor of the province. Slatin defended the province against the forces of the Mahdi, who were led by a Rizighat sheik named Madibbo, but was obliged to surrender (December 1883), and Darfur was incorporated in the Mahdi's dominions. The Darfurians found Dervish rule as irksome as that of the Egyptians had been, and a state of almost constant warfare ended in the gradual retirement of the Dervishes from Darfur.
Following the overthrow of the khalifa at Omdurman in 1898 the new (Anglo-Egyptian) Sudan government recognized (1899) Ali Dinar, a grandson of Mahommed-elFadhi, as sultan of Darfur, on the payment by that chief of an annual tribute. Under Ali Dinar, who during the Mahdia had been kept a prisoner in Omdurman, Darfur enjoyed a period of peace. The internal administration of the country was in the hands of the sultan, who was officially recognized as the agent of the Sudan government.
The sultan attempted to expel the foreign colonizers during World War I, but his forces were defeated. In 1916 the British expelled the Sultan and incorporated the sultanate into Sudan, whose government is now dominated by Muslim Arabs. [/align]
Source: globalsecurity.org.[/align]
Darfur was an independant sultanate until recently. The origins of the present situation may be traced back to the attempt at nation building by the British government in 1916 and how this was affected without heed to the best interests
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28-07-04, 03:56 PM
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I asked you: Why were you feigning interest in the miserable lives and deaths of the people in Sudan only then in the next sentence you say that your interest lies in your graphics card?
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I'm interested because it's information, I just don't care of the outcome, why should I whendoesn't it have an baring on my life?
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If you are simply interested, surely you would be less impassioned and more objective. Why would you be so angered to comment in the way that you did and write so passionately as you did if you truly do not care? You have multiple personality disorder in that you flip flop from one character to another at the drop of a hat. The only thing that you can be when addressing a subject such as this is genuine, no matter what your viewpoint is you have to believe in what you are saying. You are not genuine but see an opportunity to use the suffering of these people for your own feeble agenda, attacking muslims.
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...again it's happening, you people seem to be more concerned about who is doing it, personally I wouldn't say your interest is that great in the people's suffering.
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Before you can do anything about the situation you must firstly be in full possesion of the facts, otherwise you are just a danger to everyone. It is not the best policy to be led by the media alone as themedia iscaptive totheir sales figures.
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Human beings generally create all the evil on the Earth...I guess it's something to be proud of....Again you're more concerned about Muslims than the people suffering. All I'm doing is merely high lighting the selfishness of most of you, a selfishness that most of us share...I just don't hide behind religion to justify evil unlike you....which is the real disgrace....as you may know the people suffering are also Muslims.
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'Again you're more concerned about Muslims than the people suffering', you idiot, when will you get it into your brain that the people who are suffering are muslims? How many times must you be told something until you retain information?An ignoramous can at least claim ignorance, what is your defence? You are high lighting selfishness of others!!! The person who says that a daughter board on their computer amounts to more than the lives and deaths of a million fellow human beings!!! You are the embodiment of what it is to be selfish.
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Peacemaker you have dragged this thread to the point where we are exchanging insults with each other. I choose to break this monstrosity right here and now. I will not be contributing further to this thread as it is turning into an abomination. You may choose to hate muslims and islam at every turn and attempt to change everything and anything into an assault on islam, this hatred will lead to your self emolation. Islam and muslims have had the worst attacks from the media and people in positions of power and yet they grow unabated, it spreadsthrough the land as if unopposed. Stand against it if you must, hate it and encourage its derision but you and your hatred are inconsequential and will lead to nought. This is why you hate, partly envy but mostly the illogical and meaningless tactics of don quixote tilting at windmills or king canute attempting to hold back the tide by order of his presence.
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28-07-04, 04:55 PM
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If you are simply interested, surely you would be less impassioned and more objective.
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Why wouldI be, who wouldI listen too, someone from Sudan? or someMuslim defending the realm?
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Why would you be so angered to comment in the way that you did and write so passionately as you did if you truly do not care?
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Surprisingly I don't get angry, hard to feel emotions through words on a screen.
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You have multiple personality disorder in that you flip flop from one character to another at the drop of a hat.
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That could be true if the hat was dropped in zero gravity.
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The only thing that you can be when addressing a subject such as this is genuine, no matter what your viewpoint is you have to believe in what you are saying.
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I have to now, interesting, other people tell me what I have to do...Hmmm..
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You are not genuine but see an opportunity to use the suffering of these people for your own feeble agenda, attacking muslims.
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[quote]The only thing that you can be when addressing a subject such as this is genuine, no matter what your viewpoint is you have to believe in what you are saying.
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Before you can do anything about the situation you must firstly be in full possesion of the facts, otherwise you are just a danger to everyone. It is not the best policy to be led by the media alone as themedia iscaptive totheir sales figures.
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The facts seem to be coming from the Sudanese people in this and other forums..
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I'mI supposed to take your words for gospel?.
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'Again you're more concerned about Muslims than the people suffering', you idiot, when will you get it into your brain that the people who are suffering are muslims?
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Can you read.? What didI say.? Your emotions have clouded your mind, you can't even read straight.
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How many times must you be told something until you retain information?An ignoramous can at least claim ignorance, what is your defence? You are high lighting selfishness of others!!!
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Yes indeedI am. Unless you're saying you're perfect?
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The person who says that a daughter board on their computer amounts to more than the lives and deaths of a million fellow human beings!!! You are the embodiment of what it is to be selfish.
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Why save a world that's not supposed to be saved...It's not selfishness it's compassion. People need to learn by themselves...all the good and evil in the world is there to teach......You're not going to learn from it by going off on one and getting emotional are you now.
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Peacemaker you have dragged this thread to the point where we are exchanging insults with each other.
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Funny it's you doing the insulting this time, I merely comment on them and throw odd one back, I'm very conscious of what I'm doing....are you?
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I choose to break this monstrosity right here and now. I will not be contributing further to this thread as it is turning into an abomination.
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Shut the door on the way out won't you....Go pray.
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You may choose to hate muslims and islam at every turn and attempt to change everything and anything into an assault on islam, this hatred will lead to your self emolation.
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I hate Muslims who think they're better than other people..same goes for any religious nut.
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Islam and muslims have had the worst attacks from the media and people in positions of power and yet they grow unabated, it spreadsthrough the land as if unopposed.
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That's too bad. You've brought it on yourselves, it happens for a reason, learn from it and find out why it's happening. Or don't and throw a hissy fit everytime someone doesn't like the way you look at things. *shrugs*
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Stand against it if you must, hate it and encourage its derision but you and your hatred are inconsequential and will lead to nought.
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It's of little importance to be honest, the only hate radiating from my screen is yours.
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This is why you hate, partly envy but mostly the illogical and meaningless tactics of don quixote tilting at windmills or king canute attempting to hold back the tide by order of his presence.
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so how many of you have donated to help the refugees in Sudan?
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so how many of you have donated to help the refugees in Sudan?
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None of them have, nether have I...
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My relatives have donated.
HI JONHNCROW234 GOD BLESS YOU ARE A GEM.
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Your snide comments aside....I believe Kola Boof's story.
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