Ken Bigley - Page 7

Backatya · (#151 (**permalink**))

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.....But I urge anybody of the same opinion to watch the video...not for some kind of sickening thrill or pleasure. Watch the film to open your eyes. Open your eyes to just what is happening out there, to what happened last Friday.

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Are you serious? You are saying that this video will open people's eyes to what is happening over there? You mean this for you sums up what is happening over there? The taped execution of a Westerner sums up what is happening in Iraq? Well, may I say you have a very narrow perspective of world events, no doubt formed by many hours of SKY news.

I take it you have never seen any of the pictures depicting the fate (e.g. mangled, mutilated and very dead bodies) of the many, many (note: not just one) women, children, babies and other â€˜non-combatantsâ€™ whose only crime was that there lived in a place that had something others wanted badly enough to kill for?

Go look on those images, they are not hard to find on the netâ€¦â€¦.and then come back and tell us about how we should be watching the video of Ken Bigleyâ€™s execution and opening our eyes to what is happening over there.
You are surely having a laugh!

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Backatya · (#152 (**permalink**))

@ Run

Sorry bro, posted my response to that jokers post before reading yours. If I had, I would not have bothered posting.
Right on the button!

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Record Breaking Gunners · (#153 (**permalink**))

I think my point has been confused and somewhere along the lines I am now being depicted as a Blairite who believes the war is justfied. Can I just clairify a few points.

I am anti-war, always have been always will be. This pointless and futile battle for oil is both illegal and unethical. End of discussion.

My comments about Bigley centre around the way he died, not simply the fact that he died. Do you know how many Iraqis have died since March 2003? Estimated 18,000....so please dont suggest that in anyway I am mourning Bigley's passing because he is just another number, and a very small fraction at that.

The point I was making was in relation to the clinical perceptions of what happened. You see if Bigley was executed by a firing squad, I probably wouldn't even have cared less. Im not saying that death is good but simply pointing out that this is a war, and during wars people will die- its part of life!

However Bigley was not simply shot dead. He was executed in the most grim and gruesome fashion. Was it necessary? Of course not. If they wanted to kill him then they could have shot him and the whole thing would have been over in less 10 seconds. No instead they beheaded him....and not with a super sword which would end his life in the blink of an eye. They beheaded him in the most time consuming fashion....so that over a period of atleast 30 seconds, you could hear him screaming, while his head was being decapitated. The groans has the knife slices away, sorry not slice....hack....hacking away at the flesh.

Once again I apologise to the mods. But I feel my comments are again justified, even if they do challenge the boundaries of decency. I have been depicted as a pro-war figurewhenthis couldnot be further from the truth.All I was saying is thatall the times when I heard they beheaded ahostage, I always assumedthat the event lasted around 5 or 10 seconds.....Inever realisedthat usually this execution can actually take around 45 seconds to complete.

runfromyourwife · (#154 (**permalink**))

Record Breaking Gunners wrote:

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I think my point has been confused and somewhere along the lines I am now being depicted as a Blairite who believes the war is justfied. Can I just clairify a few points.

I am anti-war, always have been always will be. This pointless and futile battle for oil is both illegal and unethical. End of discussion.

My comments about Bigley centre around the way he died, not simply the fact that he died. Do you know how many Iraqis have died since March 2003? Estimated 18,000....so please dont suggest that in anyway I am mourning Bigley's passing because he is just another number, and a very small fraction at that.

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I remember reading in theTimesSunday before last that theEmmet Till case was going to be re-opened.

EmmetTill for those who don't know - was 14 when he was killed in by white animals, fora "grave" offence - heallegedly wolf whistled at a white woman.

Those whitemaniacs broke every bone in hisbody -a fourteen year oldBlack boy.They tried tomake him confessto havingwolf whistled and asked thewhore out on a date.

According to the savages thattortured and killed this poor boy he refused to confessso they kept torturing him.

He brought his troubles on himself right?

They said if he had confessed they would only have been beaten him.

Theycame to his home, as is the protocol in lynchings, in the dead of night. Snatched him out his aunties house and took him into theforest.

The authorities tried to cover up the autopsyreport which detailed - horrific injuries inflictedto every part of his anatomy by knives, ropes nails, and razors -

this boys suffering was great.

These psychotic white madmen had "fun" with thatboy.

When we hear about lynchings we view itclinically as something thatis long in the past, as just another form of rough justice.

I don't see it that way

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Ipray to all the forces destructionthat - the children of these b**tards,and their childrens children suffer in exactly the same way.

As for youmr record breaking gunners - if you come out with that crap one more time we will do battle on this thread.

For every bigley you try to invoke sympathy for - I will recount the details of white mens atrocities.

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witchy · (#155 (**permalink**))

hmmm I joined this forum as a way of 'meeting' other people...I wasnt interestd in colour or creed...but I dont think I will bother using it anymore.

I live in a rural area, an area where people are tolerant and dont have an axe to grind. Im utterly ashamed of 'runfromyourwife'. Im ashamed to share the little part of me that has a black background with him/her...What you describe happened to the 14 yr old kid was abhorrent...but to post messages about another fellow human beings torture and seemingly enjoy the blood lust is equally as abhorrent. OH yes!! its because hes not BLACK....MAJORTITY OF YOU PEOPLE IN HERE ARE RACIST GODBOTHERERS WHO I HAVE NOTHING IN COMMON WITH...TRY SEEING PAST A COLOUR AND LOOK AT A PERSON.N **** THE LOT OF YOU

Record Breaking Gunners · (#156 (**permalink**))

Do battle with yourself RFYW because it may suprise you, but I am delighted they are reopening the case of Emmet Till. Torture is torture and I will never condone it. Yeah I probably do feel angrier when its a black person has been tortured, because having black roots makes me feel their pain all the more. But dont get it twisted sunshine: that don't mean I will ever take joy in a white mans torture, a chineese mans torture, an indian mans torture or an argentinian mans torture. Torture is torture and can never be justified no matter what the circumstances.

Torture is the behaviour of the barbaric and lawless. Killing people in times of war is an accepted part of life, but torture must never be afforded the same recognition. That is why we have the Geneva Convention (yes I am aware of the American infringements as seen in the Iraqi prisons) and why torture is banned under international law.

Some may argue that International law doesnt apply here because the war was against international law in any case due to it amounting to regime change (not the WMD's which were championed a couple of years ago). Thats a good question and maybe there is a valid argument there. However my view remains the same: we cannot be seen to justify torture. Once we do that we simply are applauding barbaric behaviour which makes ourselves (who approve) no better than they are. Lord of the Flies etc etc etc

Bredder Tukoma · (#157 (**permalink**))

@Witchy

Well for someone who doesnt consider themselves Black. And thinks of themselves as more Cornish/English than anything else. My question is:

WHAT THE **** YOU DOING HERE! You obviously have few Black friends in your rural setting and cannot relate to blacks talking about your beloved whites in ways that you wont hearon your politically correct TV or from the local coconuts.

Thats why any right thinking Blackshould nevernever strive to have mixed up / I mean mixed race children.

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While were on the topic what does it matter whether Bigley took 5 secs to die or 45 secs. Who gives a ****.

Seems like someBlacks need to get their priorities in order. For it seems to them one white man suffering is worth ten thousandothers.

Personally with Bigley I would of done it European style. Invited all the Iraquis for a fun day out. And exceuted him in a national park or something. Food and drinks for afters.

Please can we stop bitching and pining for massa now. It was one act of brutality that countered 10,000 acts of brutality in Iraq.

If the Iraquisare defending that country. Then they have the right to respond to brutality with brutality. What they gonna do/turn the other cheek.

Sooofresh · (#158 (**permalink**))

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Personally with Bigley I would of done it European style. Invited all the Iraquis for a fun day out. And exceuted him in a national park or something. Food and drinks for afters.

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runfromyourwife · (#159 (**permalink**))

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Do battle with yourself RFYW because it may suprise you, but I am delighted they are reopening the case of Emmet Till. Torture is torture and I will never condone it. Yeah I probably do feel angrier when its a black person has been tortured, because having black roots makes me feel their pain all the more. But dont get it twisted sunshine:

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You still speaking out of the wrong orifice - cracker?

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You aint no Black man -you're a shitey whitey.

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Awww diddums - shitey whitey and wifey the witch are gettin upset because they've just found out that not everyonethinksonly whiteys suffering matters.

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In fact they're shocked to find outwhatsome people really think of theirfreckled skinnedselves -

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I like that-

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get upset and get lost

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You aint changing no ones mind here

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shitey whitey wrote:

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Some may argue that International law doesnt apply here because the war was against international law in any case due to it amounting to regime change (not the WMD's which were championed a couple of years ago). Thats a good question and maybe there is a valid argument there.

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What kind of evasion is that?

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What we have here is a back door justification for the Coalition of Evils terrorism in a sovereign state.

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The argument being that since this war is illegal the normal Geneva Convention rules governing Wardo not apply, therefore any atrocity committed by the Coalition of Evil is beyond the jurisdiction of international law.

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So you admit that - we have an anything goes situation, but i

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n the context of an anything goes War - theonly barbarity you acknowledge is that allegedly perpetrated by those fighting against an illegal occupation of their land.

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You ****in nutcase.

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Your Lord of the Flies fantasy is already here - fool. I hope the rebellion against white suprmemacy taking place in the Middle East spreads to other parts of globe until this white nightmare that will not let people be is totally destroyed.

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When the arrogant smile is wiped off your pale faces and you are made to suffer for your crimes against humanity.

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Record Breaking Gunners · (#160 (**permalink**))

lmao....so predictable

because I dare to question your views I must not be black

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keep telling yourself that. It merely reinforces the depravity of your arguments: you cannot discuss the issue logically so must resort to insults. How very mature of you....I hope you are not suggesting that anybody who does not react to debate so pathetically is not black.

Oh dear....you were? What a silly fool you are!

Black? White?Asian? I dont know what you are...I can only take your word for it...but I think one thing stands out. I dont think you're a day older than 12!

runfromyourwife · (#161 (**permalink**))

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. . . it merely reinforces the depravity of your arguments I dont think you're a day older than 12!

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Well tucked in amongst my depravity are valid points to which you haven't responded.I thought communicatingat the level of of a 12 year old would enable us to fight.

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Guess I was wrong- I needto reduce the level further.

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But obviously you've reached your limitso I'm not wasting any more time with you.

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mr bigley was - tried and sentenced according to the laws of natural justice. He was found guilty of first degree opportunism.

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Seeking to profit from the horror and sufferinginflicted by his countrymenoninnocent Iraqi women and children

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For no reason

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This ******* saw an opportunity - he didn't say "this war is not only wrong legally, it is wrong morally -

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no this scumbag saw pound signs.

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So since people like mr bigley have shown themselves to support the actions of Coalition terrorists - then they deserve what they get.

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Good riddance and much suffering in Hell to you mr bigley and to all those whose mourn for him.

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