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Post imported post - 03-01-05, 11:01 PM

Oooohhhh....over a billion pounds raised.
Oooohhhh...the world is so generous and nice.
We all know many members of the public are being generous, shaming states and corporations into doing more.
But is this an opportunity for our global economic system to look like it can help humanity, while so much is spent on weapons, exploitation and destruction and 10s of thousands face death daily from basic malnutrition?



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I'm sure Cuba will give what it can.....

But I think what's making Capitialism look helpful and generous more than anything else are the actions of Communist nations like China and North Korea.

Where are they in terms of providing human and financial assistance to the victims of this disaster?

Probably over half of those suffering are of the Oriental/East Asian persuasion, so why should they expect more aid from the West when there are nearly 2 billion of thier own just as or more capable to helping them?


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I don't think china can afford to help, they have their own economic problems. They are just develping as nation, and any monetary aid would deter any progress. But as far as other Asian countries helping, well I know japan isgiving over 400 million which is the largest donation fromany nation U.S included.


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Funny,I thought it was the world responding to a tragedy.Most have missed the jokke about capitalism sneaking one over on the "poor Brown " people.confused3


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Yeah you missed the one about 'aid' being another word for 'debt'. With the exception of charity money the vast majority of 'aid donations' from the industrialist world will in fact be loans.


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"The world's richest economy offered a measly $35 million, which is even less of a contribution than it seems, considering that US aid efforts always consist of dispersing domestic grain stockpiles to assist US agribusiness rather than cash donations that would be financially more effective and less destabilising to local agricultural markets.
To put things into perspective, the US president has set aside $40 million to celebrate his inauguration on January 20.
The US Congress has authorised the expenditure of $148 billion on the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq, compared with the total of $2.4 billion that it assigned to overseas humanitarian aid for 2004."
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dont know if the US has increased the aid money but surely a country like Indonesia doesnt need that much money coz they have alot than they need-i.e the fighter jets scandal with BEA SYSTEMS etc etc..


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If that was the purpose then why did "world criticizm" force Bush to change his initial pledge of $35 Billion in aid to $350 Billiion so fast.

Should the amount of money you give a person in need depend on how many are watching you?


This is obviously part of his PR plan...along with sending Uncle Jeb and his #1 niggga "Colon" Powell over to tell the poor brown people that everythings gonna be alright.



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If that was the purpose then why did "world criticizm" force Bush to change his initial pledge of $35 Billion in aid to $350 Billiion so fast.

Should the amount of money you give a homeless person on the street depend on how many are watching you give?


This is obviously part of his PR plan...along with sending Uncle Jeb and his #1 niggga "Colon" Powell over to tell the poor brown people that everythings gonna be alright.




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Post imported post - 05-01-05, 04:33 AM

Why are we politicizing this? Money pledgeddoes not equal supplies, and benefits on the ground.Seems to me that the US,Austrialian and Thai military are on the ground getting supplies to the affected.

As usual most people on this site are talking shit,while the US is acting.



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Inonesia's friction with US forgotten in race to help


By Alan Sipress and Noor Huda Ismail in Banda Aceh
January 5, 2005


Rear Admiral Doug Crowder of the US Navy was having trouble making out the words of his Indonesian counterpart, Major-General Bambang Dharmono, over the roar of the two US Seahawk helicopters parked behind them on the military airstrip.
The silvery haired admiral moved closer, his hands still on his hips but his face now within 30 centimetres of the camouflage-clad Indonesian. They were comparing notes on the relief airlifted into Aceh for victims of the tsunami. Admiral Crowder could still not hear.

So he bowed his head slightly, putting his ear up to General Dharmono's mouth. Then he placed his left hand on the Indonesian's shoulder.

The image would have been unthinkable two weeks ago.

The US military is now undertaking a big operation in close co-ordination with the Indonesian armed forces at a time when Washington still maintains a ban, originally dating from 1992 and extended in 1999, on most forms of military co-operation between the countries because of human rights concerns.

Indonesia, for its part, has welcomed the US military in Aceh, where until last month most foreigners were barred because of deep Indonesian fears about possible outside help to Acehnese rebels waging a long struggle for independence.

Besides the joint planning of these operations, Indonesian marines have been flying on some of the Seahawks, helping maintain order when refugees throng the helicopters seeking aid.

Military officers on both sides acknowledged they could not have imagined such close cooperation, especially in such a politically sensitive province.

Admiral Crowder said later that he expected the joint efforts would improve the prospects for resuming full military ties between the countries.

"There's nothing that focuses co-operation like a huge task. This would be one of those huge tasks," he said.

The US Administration has sought to restore military links, in large part to help fight terrorism. But Congress has repeatedly blocked these efforts because of unhappiness over Indonesia's failure to hold its military accountable for militia killings in East Timor, orchestrated by the security forces, after it voted for independence in 1998.

Some members of Congress also remain concerned about the possible involvement of Indonesian soldiers in a 2002 ambush that killed two Americans and an Indonesian who worked for the US mining company Freeport in Papua.

Captain B. Junair, 30, an Indonesian helicopter pilot, said the Americans had invited him to inspect the controls of their Seahawks. Pinching the chest of his flight suit with both hands, he proudly displayed the yellow eagle patch that a US pilot had given him.

But he also harboured fears about US motives for coming to Indonesia. "There is a crab behind the stone," Captain Junair quipped, repeating a Javanese saying.

He noted that the US has been flying reconnaissance aircraft from a base in Thailand to photograph large swathes of Aceh. US officers said the aircraft were mapping destruction along roads and bridges and using infrared sensors to locate refugees in the mountains.

Indonesians have long been concerned about the presence of US forces in an area that Indonesia considers its domain of influence. When Admiral Thomas Fargo, commander of US Pacific Command, suggested early last year that he might put marines on fast vessels to guard against terrorism in the strategic Straits of Malacca, Indonesian officials objected vigorously.

The presence of Australian forces also strikes a nerve. Australian peacekeepers were deployed to East Timor before its vote for independence, and many Indonesians continue to blame them for the secession of the former Indonesian province.

But in Banda Aceh not only are Australian C-130 aircraft now landing at the airbase, but Australian military trucks are driving in the streets.

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And that tells us


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Has anyone considered that in actual fact the greater part of that billion+ will actually find itself back in the Western world? It is all to do with the economics of poverty, aid and capitalism.

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Hell, I rather have supplies on the ground rather than money to be sent and to end up in the corrupt pockets of UN,UNICEF,Doctors without Borders officials.


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Hell, I rather have supplies on the ground rather than money to be sent and to end up in the corrupt pockets of UN,UNICEF,Doctors without Borders officials.
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I agree with you on the issue of corrupt... but even with supplies on the ground... the quality and what they are given is not brilliant... A good friend of mine worked for the UN and the things he told me about the distribution of Money is appalling... but under the present circumstances there is no perfect solutionconfused3?


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