There are still many Africans who see nothing wrong in our leaders being corrupt. What type of leaders would they be tomorrow? Now, the whole world can see why corruption can never end in Africa. And this is one of the reasons why Africa would continue to be begging. But the west and G8 are not fools.

Omaar

Had to read your post twice to make sure.

Do I read you suggesting that Africa should go back to its original practices and systems of government.

Because if the people could think for themselves they would of come out of the mosques and churches long time ago.

It could be said that Islam is slowly colonising east Africa right now. I see more mosques and hindu temples being built in Kenya. They are forever building church in jamaica to the countries detriment.

How far does this rejection of the colonisers ways does this extend to for you.. As you are a muslim would you say (knowing the power of language) that Africans if Islamic should adopt Arabic as official languages.

I mean can anyone name a succesful and industrious country that does not have the majority of its population believing in its indigenous beliefs/world view. I cant think of one right now. But I can name plenty that do.

Mansa

Had to read your post twice to make sure.

Do I read you suggesting that Africa should go back to its original practices and systems of government.

No, actually I think they should adopt NEWWER and BETTER practices and systems of governing themselves.

BUT...and that's a big round West African sista Butt!....

It would be better to return to those original systems and practices where they knew how to live with and off of the land rather than simply starving to death while looking for aid and assistance form their historic enemies.




Because if the people could think for themselves they would of come out of the mosques and churches long time ago.
It could be said that Islam is slowly colonising east Africa right now. I see more mosques and hindu temples being built in Kenya. They are forever building church in jamaica to the countries detriment.

Man look...don't start that shit.

This has NOTHING to do with religion because the Muslims of North Africa are doing a hell of a lot better than the rest of Africa, should they abandon Islam?

The whites of Europe are doing better, should they abandon Christianity and go back to believing in Celtic and Roman religions?

It's not about religion, but politics and socio-economic practices.


How far does this rejection of the colonisers ways does this extend to for you.. As you are a muslim would you say (knowing the power of language) that Africans if Islamic should adopt Arabic as official languages.

If ALL Africans adopted Arabic as an official language, it would go a long way toward unity. But I'd say the same thing about English, Wolof, Geez, or even Chinese.
Whatever the hell they all decide on, UNITE around it and work together.

The key is unity.


I mean can anyone name a succesful and industrious country that does not have the majority of its population believing in its indigenous beliefs/world view. I cant think of one right now. But I can name plenty that do.

(Omaar raises his hand to be called on)

Japan

India

South Korea

@Tahliba

mythought exactly!

see how most avoided your question

and instead fooled up Americans come up with the same broken record

"whaaa africa poor sah....whaaa"

refusing to look at *real* reasons

I don't know whats worse debating with black fooled up americans or racis whites.........

but anyway

I am still waiting for peeps to answer and give an explaination and to hopefully link it

for those who do notknow what the XYZ I am about i have pasted it below

Why Is Europe Rich? Anyone?

What were the concequences of colonialsm for Europe?

What were the concequences of colonialism for Africa?

Is Africa still colonised?

Africa Is poor because of the severe disparity between Africans though some ofthose differences were introducedreinforced by europeancolonialism and to some extenteven Islaam itself, but even without the outside interference of arabs/europeans, African people in general had their own multi-varied native cultures and tribes withouta core religious umberalla.



Think of the crusades, it was able to unite european christians and made them work with each other to ward off a collective enemy.

Same with arabic countries, because of their believe in a religion that was able to spread through and stick in the minds of all the inhabitants, the result was itmade them closer and freindlier and hostile intentions were assuaged.When their is no common ground then their is nothing to impede hostility.

Why is Europe is rich?... my opinion thought lacking depth and perhaps simpleis because of Christianty and it's huge success and influence.

I should also add that the future for Africa is good, and their is gradual progress at the moment in individual nations but African nations have lagged behind because of the differentalianreligions and culturesthat were introduced and the assimilations of those said religions/cultures.

So while the rest of the world was busy moving ahead, Africans were trying to integrate their own native cultures with those foreign religions, this being the prime reason for the delay of progress but that progress will continue and I predict a very bright light at the end of the tunnel.

SoooFresh

What does "fooled up" mean?

Hmmm....?

Did we learn some new slang while watchingSnoopy Dog and JaRule gangsta videos?





Mansa


The muslims of North Africa are in the main Arabs who identify politically and economically and ideologically with Arabs. Not Africans. This has everything to do with religion

They do that mostly for political and military purpose more so than economic reason.

Also for historical purposes.

But hell, even if half the black people in Africa identified themselves as Arabs...should that stop the other half who know they're black from doing what they need to do as long as they aren't being physically oppressed?

Black people regardless of where they're found or who they identify with not taking advantage of or properly using thier available resources is the problem; not what they choose to call themselves.



No but they have adopted Christianity to fit in with their former Celtic and Roman beiliefs. A crucial cultural adaptation that had to have a white Jesus and a white God. Isnt that what the Roman Catholic church is all about?

Well you know, they've also done this with Christianity and Islam all around Africa also.

No images of Allah is made anywhere in the Muslim world, but no one is stopping Ethiopians and Nigerians from molding an image of a black Jesus like the Mexicans and Italians have a brown Jesus.

Come on now black man, sometimes we restrict ourselves.




Which in the main are built off people's religios beliefs. Is not a muslim not supposed to keep profit from certain activities but meant to circulate it back to his community. Forgive me if I have the finer details wrong but I KNOW Muslims and the Koran have economic sanctions/taboos within their religion.

In this age of secularism and "bottom-line" business practices, religous beliefs are almost irrelevant.

No better example of that can be found than in South AFrica where Muslims, Hindus, Jews, and Christians all working together to steal the diamonds and gold out of the land.

The Chinese Buddhists and Atheists work together with the Chrsitian West and Muslim Pakistan on different projects.

It's not about religion, it's about common interests and goals.

As far as business practices go, nearly the only thing Muslims are strictly forbidden to engage in is usury...or lending money at interest.

And many are doing that anyway, so it really doesn't matter.



Here is where we differ. If Africans speak and adopt and foreign languages at the official and educational level and give cultural preference to foreigners then they will always be subject to mental colonialisim.

I agree, we should have our own language with our own customs.

But that's not the way the world always works, sometimes you have to choose between the lesser of 2 evils.


It would be better for all of Africa to agree on ONE colonial language in which to conduct business and legal transactions with; than for them to remain divided by 10 or 12 different colonial languages competing with eachother.

Infact, it would be better for them to adopt one colonial language to unite under than to have 300 or 400 traditional languages floating around keeping the continent eternally divided and in more competition with eachother than with the rest of the world.

After all, division is mostly what allowed Africa to become colonized in the first place.


You don't mind all black people here on Blacknet and through out the rest of the world uniting under and speaking English and adopting English customs; but when it comes to Arabic you throw a "young mule" and reject it as Arab colonialism.

Could someone tell me how a plague of locust differentiate between religions or languages or cultures or nations?

Can someone explain how if they wanted to,financial institutions like the World Bank and IMF, multi-national companies and countries, could possibly manipulate 'artificial divisions' for their own or group advantage.

Did someone write something like 'it was because of 'divisons we were colonised in the first place' ....

We were colonised by companies long before we were colonized by goverments...The end of '19thC colonialism saw a return of economiccolonisation. Merchant Capitalism revisited

And none of you even touched on slavery as a significant contributing factor in why Africa is poor today. Did anyone look at how the 'Slave Trade' or if you like Triangular Trade, set up Europe and the US to become the rich countries they are today

Like Malcom X said...keep your religion in the closet, where it belongs.

@Tahliba

you are wasting your time to get anything of substance of fools

that is why they are ignoring you......................the question is way way of their capabilities.

anyway

good luck

Tahliba.... how about you answer some of those questions and eloborate on some of those points..



I don't think why is African poor and easy question to answer, a lot of people just have opinion some with more substance, but I think Africa is catching up and not neccessarily poor.

Give us some insight, because I don't really know why.

I have been shaking my head in dismay at this thread for the last few days, as to tell the truth some of these comments are things that I am used to reading in the Daily Mail, not from educated brothers and sisters who I believed would not swallow hook, line and sinker the half truths that the West give as to why Africa is poor…

For one, Africa buys what it does not produce… and when it does trade it is only able to provide cash crops and minerals… which due to the unfair rules of so called ‘fair trade’ mean that the prices are controlled by the stock exchanges in New York and London, it means that if there is a slump in price then it leads to financial crisis for the countries involved…

For if you look at the trade figures for 1984 example in the case of Sudan 65% of their total export earnings come from one product which is Cotton, Somalia 71% of their total export earnings come from livestock. In Senegal 37% of their total export earnings come from Groundnuts, 89% of the export earnings for Nigeria come from Oil… this is a similar state of affairs throughout Africa… When you add into the mix, in the West most producers are given subsidies e.g while an African farmer will get nada!


I have cut and pasted an article explaining how subsidies that farmers receive in America negatively impact on African industries…

Cotton subsidies squeeze Mali

By Joan Baxter
BBC, Kongseguila, southern Mali


African cotton producers are joining Brazil in their official complaint to the World Trade Organization about subsidies paid to their counterparts in the United States and Europe.


Cotton is the mainstay of Mali's economy
In the US, for example, some 25,000 cotton producers receive almost $4bn a year in subsidies.

According to the World Bank, this has had a substantial influence on the world price for cotton, which has been hovering at all-time lows in the past two years.

At least 10 million small-scale cotton growers in West and Central Africa are suffering dramatically from the plummeting prices.

In a good year, in the village of Konseguila, southern Mali, small-scale farmers can earn about up to a $1,000 a year by growing cotton.

That is about three times the average annual income in this