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Post imported post - 22-07-05, 05:30 PM

U.S. intelligence officials say China stole the technology for the Aegis battle management system by setting up a front company in the United States that became a subcontractor for the Aegis system manufacturer.


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Post imported post - 22-07-05, 05:40 PM

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Post imported post - 22-07-05, 05:48 PM

ohhh really?


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Post imported post - 22-07-05, 06:38 PM

americans shoudlnt be surprised, china has thousands of spies working in the chinatowns of the U.S
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Post imported post - 23-07-05, 09:47 AM

Not to mention they have stolen practically everything from the Soviet military, including their uniforms


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Post imported post - 23-07-05, 12:46 PM

If they are using the Soviet's as a model,I know they in trouble.


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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asi...ic/4704691.stm

More than a decade after the end of the Cold War, spies are back in the news. But instead of hardened KGB agents lurking on street corners in dark glasses, the spy stories appearing in the Western press recently have been about fresh-faced Chinese students.
Some are said to be engaged in research at respected foreign establishments, while others are enrolled as bright young business trainees in major Western companies.

Their mission - or so the reports allege - is to use fair means or foul to gather technological and commercial intelligence that will help speed China on its way to becoming the next global superpower.
Britain's Sunday Telegraph reported recently that a leading Chinese agent had "defected" in Belgium and blown the whistle on hundreds of Chinese spies working at various levels of European industry.
Like rape victims, companies that have been infiltrated are reluctant to talk about it John Fialka,
Author of War by Other Means The Belgian-based economic espionage network used a group called The Chinese Students' and Scholars' Association of Leuven as a front organisation, according to the French newspaper Le Monde.

These allegations follow the case of a 22-year-old Chinese woman who was detained in France after being accused of "illegal database intrusion" by the car-parts maker Valeo, which had employed her as an intern. She has since been released.
Police in Sweden also suspect Chinese guest researchers of stealing unpublished and unpatented research from an institute there, according to the Swedish radio Ekot's website.
Gaining experience
Chen Yonglin, a Chinese diplomat who recently defected in Australia, claimed Beijing had as many as 1,000 spies in Australia alone.
But Mr Chen, a former first secretary at the Chinese consulate-general in Sydney, told the BBC News website that his lawyers had told him to say no more, for fear of jeopardising his chances of receiving political asylum.
The cool response to Mr Chen's and other defectors' requests says much about current Western attitudes towards China.
Whether in government, business or academic circles, there is a general reluctance to do or say anything that might unduly upset Beijing and threaten access to its markets - not to mention its vast pool of high-paying and often highly gifted students.
Li-Li Whuang was accused of "database intrusion" in France China has sent 600,000 students overseas in the past 25 years as part of a conscious policy of developing its science, technology and business skills.
While some belong to well-off families who simply want their children to get a good education, most are funded by the government and are expected to return to help their country afterwards.
"It is very easy for Chinese companies or intelligence agencies to approach these students - who are often quite nationalistic - and get them to collect information that might be of either commercial or military interest," said Christian le Miere, Asia Editor of Jane's Country Risk.
The recent defections suggest there are so many such contacts that what they produce could amount to a valuable pool of intelligence, he said.
In one case that came to light in the US, Chinese agents are said to have put pressure on a recruit by telling him that his family in China was at risk if he failed to do what they wanted.
But few such cases come to court, since they are hard to prove and involve people trained not to be caught, said John Fialka, author of a book on espionage, War by Other Means.
"And like rape victims, companies that have been infiltrated are reluctant to talk about it. They don't want people to know they've been hoodwinked by their own staff," he added.
Military connections
There is often a fine line between what is legal and what is not.
Asian societies tend to have a less legalistic view of intellectual property than some other nations, Mr Fialka said.
But China differs from many other countries because of the way its economic entities are still intertwined with the government and military, he added.
China has about 3,000 "front" companies in the US that exist mainly to obtain technology and military secrets, according to US officials.
Chen Yonglin claims Beijing has as many as 1,000 spies in Australia Right-wing groups in the US, and opposition parties in Australia, Canada and elsewhere, are warning that Western countries may one day regret allowing China to take advantage of their openness and tolerance.
The dramatic growth in China's economic and political power will soon be matched in the military sphere, they claim.
But China has indignantly denied the spying allegations as fabrications stemming from narrow-minded fears of legitimate commercial and industrial competition.
Louis Turner, chief executive of the London-based Asia Pacific Technology Network, says it is a natural part of the "catch-up" process to place people as close as possible to where the best research is being done and get them to send back information.
"Just as Japan used to effectively steal a few tricks when it was learning from the West, I would be enormously surprised if China wasn't involved in some sort of technical espionage... and no doubt some of this is backed by the Chinese military," he said.
But he said China was genuinely keen on two-way collaboration - and said the main factors behind its rapid progress in science and technology were its sheer size, economic dynamism and willingness to learn.
Some of China's own universities are now producing world-class researchers, and some of its science parks are comparable with Silicon Valley in the 1960s, he added - "but with much more cohesiveness ... and on a much bigger scale"



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Post imported post - 23-07-05, 02:26 PM

Just like the W-88 warhead they stole. Thing is when you steal the technology instead of developing it, counter meausre can be applied. The firing sequences for the implosion devicecan be disabled or prematurely set of before launch from American satellites. Ageis is 20 year old technolgy that would not stand up to to the CG(X) cruiser which will replace the Ticonderoga class AEGIS cruisers. The
CG(X) will provide an “umbrella� of air and missile defense with longer-range missiles, protecting carrier strike groups and the other DD(X) vessels. It will also be able to track and engage ballistic missiles hundreds of miles inland.CG(X) will have many advanced features not found on present Navy vessels:
Stealthy Hull Form: The CG(X) will have an even stealthier hull form than the hull form found on the larger DD(X) destroyer. This advanced hull form helps to reduce radar identification by other ships.

Integrated Power System (IPS): Like the DD(X) destroyer, the CG(X) cruiser will have an all-electric power system that is more efficient and survivable than the propulsion systems found on today’s ships. The IPS can provide power to the entire ship. The benefits of IPS are many: reduced costs of ownership, reduced construction costs, a power source for future energy-type weapons, improved survivability, and greater architectural flexibility.

Improved Missiles: The CG(X) will able to launch larger, faster and longer-range missiles to counter inland air threats hundreds of miles away. These new missiles will also be able to perform other missions in littoral (near-shore) regions.

Advanced Radar Systems: A new generation of air defense radars will counter more elusive long-range, low-radar cross section threats. This will help provide sustained air superiority as well as detect, track and engage ballistic missiles beyond the atmosphere.

Shared Technologies: CG(X) and DD(X) will share many automated features, which presently are performed manually. The result will be a smaller crew for the CG(X). As with the DD(X), the crew’s focus will be on fighting versus ship maintenance.

The Chinese will be fighting Leyte Gulf, with Jellicoe's Navy.


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Post imported post - 23-07-05, 04:56 PM

for once I agree with 101&BS

But since Jew/Israelis have passion on money they wouldnt mind selling the technology to Chinese afterall they (ISRAELIS) have been stealing alot of America;s military secrets for long..let alone those moles inside the Pentagon

Israel and Russia also sold them new technology. They already have trident missiles and numerous other nuclear missiles. Next they will have there own version of f22 raptor. The biggest problem with China is they can mass produce anything. so they could have thousands out in less then a year. But the real test is training the military. They still have to train millions to billions and they can't train faster then they supply...well thats what the Americans want us to believe that Chinese cant do more with those weapons but dont forget that Israelis are doing that job for chinese



YOu all should read the Dept. of defence's report of China's military power:
http://www.defence.gov/news/Jul2005/d20050719china.pdf



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Post imported post - 23-07-05, 04:59 PM





forgot to say that Capitalism and Globalization sucks, now the Americans are getting the taste of what real globalization is all about.

Just like the way AL QAIDA have outsourced Terrorism





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Post imported post - 23-07-05, 10:36 PM

Well Coltrane, theft is a part of the military for years. After all we stole Hitlers plans for the rocket and if I am not mistaken didn't we steal their scientists who developed the A bomb? Correct me if I am wrong all. I am talking off a foggy memory after cutting the grass in 100+ degree weather with 100% humidity.

I don't see us warring with China unless it is over Taiwan. To be honest with you, I think that we should stay out of it. What the hell do we have to do with Chinese people fighting CHinese people?
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