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26-07-05, 09:40 PM
http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/glean...ead/lead3.html
Foreign police interviews set to begin
THE POLICE Service Commission (PSC) will this week begin interviewing overseas-based candidates for four assistant commissioner positions within the Jamaica Constabulary Force (JCF), The Gleaner has learnt. The positions for which a deadline of Friday, August 19 has been set are not open to serving JCF officers.
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26-07-05, 09:54 PM
Ladyday: normally I don't like outsiders in we business but i have say that in this case, it is obvious that internally the Jamaican Police just aint up to the task... Really this change can't come soon enough...
Maybe then they can deal with huge number of road death due to stupid driving..the high murder rate due to drug trafficking..and the indiscipline of the police which is just terrible..
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26-07-05, 09:58 PM
As long as they recruit from countries where candidates can help jamaica and not hinder it with equally corrupted officers.....ha ha LOL then maybe we should do a list of whoneed not apply
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26-07-05, 09:58 PM
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you just NAILED it and I cant add up anything else
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you just NAILED it and I cant add up anything else
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i agree 100%
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27-07-05, 11:50 AM
Quite ironic considering that Scotland Yard have been recruiting and borrowing Jamaican Police for a few years now to fight drug crime in the UK....
I am quite sure that if they look hard enough they will find the right people for the job internally...
Just like the west indian cricket team....the right people for the job are there...but they are not being utilised or called upon...instead they recruited management from abroad just like this scenario...end result....same ol' same ol'
POLI TRICKS is the problem.. not suitable candidates.
Another thing to consider isthe salaries thatcome with these jobs.I admit i am guessing but i would probably estimate that these overseas candidates would be getting at least twice as muchas any internallyadvertisedposition. Plus relocation money, plus money for a home, car, maid, travel to and from country of birthetc etc etc....
NAH MAN... if they are willing to spend so much, i am sure they would attractpure TOP-NOTCHJAMAICAN CANDIDATESto deal wid di matta.
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27-07-05, 05:35 PM
good point @comenatural
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27-07-05, 05:39 PM
Damn......
I thought they were recruiting police officers from abroad, I was gonna submit my application.
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27-07-05, 06:22 PM
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Quite ironic considering that Scotland Yard have been recruiting and borrowing Jamaican Police for a few years now to fight drug crime in the UK....
I am quite sure that if they look hard enough they will find the right people for the job internally...
Just like the west indian cricket team....the right people for the job are there...but they are not being utilised or called upon...instead they recruited management from abroad just like this scenario...end result....same ol' same ol'
POLI TRICKS is the problem.. not suitable candidates.
Another thing to consider isthe salaries thatcome with these jobs.I admit i am guessing but i would probably estimate that these overseas candidates would be getting at least twice as muchas any internallyadvertisedposition. Plus relocation money, plus money for a home, car, maid, travel to and from country of birthetc etc etc....
NAH MAN... if they are willing to spend so much, i am sure they would attractpure TOP-NOTCHJAMAICAN CANDIDATESto deal wid di matta.
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Comenatural: yes you make some good points..however here is the problem as I see it, even if you found a 'good' internal candidate from within.. would they have the 'respect' and the power base to turn ideas into practise.. From what i can see, the police needs a root and branch reorganisation.. just like the Windies..
However because of island politics anyone internally is just NOT trusted, and won't for various reasons get the support to carry out the necesssary reorganisation.. That is why evetually the W indies turned to an outside to SAY and Do the harsh things necassry to instill PRIDE and DISCIPLINE back into the team..
The same I think needs to happen within the Police, when you get police officers shooting at each other as we had in St mary's late last year, that just isn't good!!! When you see, as i saw loads of road deaths but several police cars parked up outside private residences that to me is STUPID..
Unfortunately Jamaica has the same problem that I saw in Cambodia last year and other countries ( i won't use the dreaded TWC tag), the polarisation of rich and poor, is creating an unstable society on the brink of destroying itself.. a lot of the manufacting base is being lost to cheaper labour markets in asia and south america and so the problem will get worse.. Jamaica is heavily reliant on Tourism and this could be in jeapardy because in my view they are over doing the pricing and many Americans have become wise to this and refuse to play the game..
example the Juta, are far too expensive, the Taxi's take the living piss one muppet wanted to charge me $20 to travel fromOchi to Dunn's River.. and distance of less than 2 miles if that.. In the tourist areas they only accept US dollars and over prices their goods by 300-400%, this btw is the same shit they do in Turkey.. Hence why people won't go there more than once..
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28-07-05, 12:27 AM
Ive always thought this idea of bringing in foreign bosses to run the police not only embarissing to national pride but an affront to the hard working jamaicanpolice who do their job.
Surely it would be better to send some Jamaican detectives to work in England and observe operation/ prodeures/ and recive training.
But no. The old colonial dependecy kicks in. While crime is out of control there is a historical componenet to this relationship of Jamaican ruling elite and the security forces of England / canada/ and the USA that was maintained right after indepence. Indeed the British had soldiiers posted within Jamaica long right through the 19060s.
Whats do to with price of hardough?
It shows the willingness of the governments in question to maintain a "strong security apparatus" while not willing to address other inquities in their relationships with Jamaica.
On top of that Iread Mark Sheids the new dect sent to JA shouting through a loud speaker in Kingston the other day for people "to turn in the gun man/ and to not be intimitated." Then same tired old tactics straight out of the same old tired gun amnesties here.
No dem send go call fi bacra man fi come run tings pon him entrustedestate. While ostraciszing and no doubt belittling the police and top brass in the force.No wonder police are on runnings when police detective cant find his fare for work. This sis backwardness of the highest degree.
1) Pay the damn police some decent money to reduce the temptation of corruption within.
2) Develop the capability of your own force/ if they cant cut it then send them elsewhere for training until they can.
More foreign detectives will not solve the problem but excasberate it and demoralise JA officers even more.. especially as the police themselves are saying the communication and consultation has been poor. Bringing in British/ Canadian or Australian chiefs on big salaries who have no experienace in Jamaican culture/ languageat the top level is ridiculous. This is backwards thinking.
They need to invest some public money into poor areas for a start. Instead of appointing white generals to order the black militia's in quelling the rebellious nature of the marginalised / unemployed man woman and child. And the Dons who are beneficient black widows.
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28-07-05, 12:39 AM
I hear you Kunjufu and i understand that this little island has some major social and political worries and problems but i attribute the majority of these problems to the exact reasons you stated.
Jamaica has already been hijacked by foreigners running every aspect of jamaican social, economic and political life. The multinational corporations that have assimalated Jamaica, already insist that they have THEIR MAN in prominent and privilaged positions of power. Basically, every aspect of Jamaican life is run by foreigners. These people have no inclanation to better the Jamaican way of life. They only answer to their paymasters and the end result is TAKE TAKE TAKE with nothing coming back except the threat of unemployment if any hassle comes their way.
I believe that the only way Jamaica will start to deal with the issues that have been ongoing and unchecked for many decades is to start valuing and investing in Jamaicanpeople rather than look for the quick fix of foreign capital investment at any cost.
mansamusa is so so correct clp)clp)clp)
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28-07-05, 12:45 AM
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I agree I think although they really need to do something in Jamaica this angle may create more trouble......just like you said how are the jamaican police going to react to this it may cause such a division in the force.
I know for a fact that UK police go to Jamaica to get training from Jamaican police on how to deal with Yardies and gun and gang crime they don't always get them to come over here. Uk police have also gone to South Africa for training so I don't see why this can't be employed amongst forces nationally.....go to a country for training that excels in a certain field.
But something definately needs to be done.
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