Is this a good thing for Africans?

interested 1 · (#1 (**permalink**))

Chinese leader begins Africa tour

President Hu in Morocco. He is keen to build trade ties in AfricaPresident Hu Jintao of China has begun a week-long visit to Africa - his second tour of the continent since becoming leader three years ago.
The trip has started in Morocco where the president will sign a number of trade deals with King Mohammed VI.
President Hu will also visit Kenya and make a return trip to Nigeria, which he visited in 2004 - a tour that also included Gabon and Algeria.
Mr Hu comes fresh from meetings in the United States and Saudi Arabia.
The visit indicates the importance China is attaching to securing energy and trade deals in the region, says the BBC's David Bamford.
Mr Hu's message will be that China and Africa have become natural partners.
China has an expanding economy eager for oil, gas, cotton, cobalt and timber while Africa has plentiful natural resources but needs help to exploit them, our correspondent says.
Criss-crossing
President Hu's visit comes in the wake of a series of others by Chinese ministers and officials.
They have been criss-crossing the continent from Egypt and Algeria to South Africa and Zambia to set up or sign deals.

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Trade and oil will top Mr Hu's agenda.
In Nigeria, a $2 billion deal has just been approved under which China's offshore oil corporation will take a 45% stake in an offshore oilfield.
In Kenya, China is a major player in electrifying the country.
Many Africans welcome the Chinese approach of doing business and not pegging economic activity to political conditions in African countries, our correspondent says.
Western human rights groups have expressed concern that China is providing a shield against international efforts to persuade corrupt or abusive regimes to reform.

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Is diplomatic relationships with Africa a good thing for Africans or a bad thing? will the countries that deals are being done with be more economically better of? Knowing that China is a up and coming superpower, will being involved with them benefit them?

Kunjufu · (#2 (**permalink**))

Short Answer is no..but it is interesting isn't it that given we have constantly been told that Africa is the poorest continentand has nothing to offer....note how ever so called big wig leaders consistently find themselves in Africa on Tour recently Blair, Bush and now the Chinese...hmmm makes you wonder doesn't it?

interested 1 · (#3 (**permalink**))

@ Kunjufu

I see where your coming from. But the one thing that stayed in my mind after reading this article is: '...China has an expanding economy eager for oil, gas, cotton, cobalt and timber while Africa has plentiful natural resources but needs help to exploit them'. Now I think you made a thread and in it it said Nigeria has paid of a debt or something like that.....Now if they (N'govt) take full advantage of this than i really do see good things for them. But my knowledge on African leaders and the wealth of the countries isn't that good but do you think the current leaders has what it take to exploit the rich variety of raw materials they have?

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Kunjufu · (#4 (**permalink**))

To be very blunt no....the fact is most if not all the current African leaders were put in place by the west or Multinational from the West... Until we get a genuine crop of leaders emerging from the peoplethat are idealogically strong,nothing will change in Africa...

interested 1 · (#5 (**permalink**))

Kunjufu wrote:

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To be very blunt no....the fact is most if not all the current African leaders were put in place by the west or Multinational from the West... Until we get a genuine crop of leaders emerging from the peoplethat are idealogically strong,nothing will change in Africa...

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Ok....now that you've said that, which I agree with, how can changes be made? I just feel so powerless when I got money in my pocket sitting there knowing full well it can be put to better causes. I see Ghana's economy is growing in good ways, but I know from my dad that it's still a poor country. I say this because i hear from time to time that £5-10 can make a difference. Now when I see deals being made with other countries going into the billions I think now and again that this can help Africans in biggggggggg ways!!!!

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interested 1 · (#6 (**permalink**))

Another link on African and Chinese relations.....

http://www.blink.org.uk/pdescription...18&cat=183

Backatya · (#7 (**permalink**))

interested 1 wrote:

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@ Kunjufu

I see where your coming from. But the one thing that stayed in my mind after reading this article is: '...China has an expanding economy eager for oil, gas, cotton, cobalt and timber while Africa has plentiful natural resources but needs help to exploit them'.

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Actually they don't need help to exploit them. More like the West and now the Chinese are eagar to exploit them........Africans I mean. These people are not coming into Africa to help with anything apart from themselves.

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The economics of Africa and the 'Western Factor'is a subject too complex and intricate to cover adequately in a single thread, butone thingthat is not difficult to understand and that is'the involvement of non-Africans in the resources of Africa is guaranteed to ensure that Africans will always be left wanting'.

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But Itruly believe that the time will come when no white, yellow orred man will be able tolayafoot in Africa with bad intent and get away with it ashas been the case for the last upteen centuries. So it is written!

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interested 1 · (#8 (**permalink**))

Backatya wrote:

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interested 1 wrote:

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@ Kunjufu

I see where your coming from. But the one thing that stayed in my mind after reading this article is: '...China has an expanding economy eager for oil, gas, cotton, cobalt and timber while Africa has plentiful natural resources but needs help to exploit them'.

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Actually they don't need help to exploit them. More like the West and now the Chinese are eagar to exploit them........Africans I mean. These people are not coming into Africa to help with anything apart from themselves.

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The economics of Africa and the 'Western Factor'is a subject too complex and intricate to cover adequately in a single thread, butone thingthat is not difficult to understand and that is'the involvement of non-Africans in the resources of Africa is guaranteed to ensure that Africans will always be left wanting'.

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But Itruly believe that the time will come when no white, yellow orred man will be able tolayafoot in Africa with bad intent and get away with it ashas been the case for the last upteen centuries. So it is written!

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Fair enough. I know that western influence in Africa is too long to go into ( don't get me wrong that is still relevant) but African and Chinese relations is something that I hope Africa can benefit from. Well for kenya:

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[*]Road maintenance in Nairobi [*]Support for rice-growing schemes [*]Maintenance of a sports centre [*]Setting up an anti-malaria health centre.
Now that is for deals over oils....

For nigeria:

£2.25bn will be invested in oil infrastruture projects.

But I know China is also getting a lot of the deals beign made. But I just hope Africa comes out equal if not better from the deals.

nuff said

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