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01-05-06, 12:22 PM
White 'ingratitude' worries Tutu
Archbishop Tutu and Mr de Klerk are both Nobel peace laureatesArchbishop Desmond Tutu has said South Africa's white community has not shown enough appreciation of the generosity shown to them by black South Africans.
Ex-President FW de Klerk said in turn that black citizens should be grateful to whites for surrendering power.
Archbishop Tutu headed the country's Truth and Reconciliation Commission which began work in April 1996.
In an interview with BBC News, he said the commission failed to engage the white community sufficiently.
He also expressed concern about social inequalities and levels of poverty in South Africa.
'Magnanimity'
Archbishop Tutu was an icon of the struggle against apartheid and led the Truth and Reconciliation Commission through the pain of the healing process in the 1990s.

We lanced a boil which, had we not done, would have meant that our country would have gone down the tubes 
Archbishop Desmond Tutu

Transcript of the interview
He said that under apartheid, black South Africans were the main victims of a political system from which the whites benefited greatly.
"By and large, the white community does not seem to have shown an appreciation for the incredible magnanimity of those who were the major victims of a system from which they [the whites] benefited so much," Archbishop Tutu told the BBC's Peter Biles.
The archbishop expressed concern over instances of "demeaning" poverty in South Africa today.
"I have warned, and I am not the only one who has, that we are sitting on a powder keg," he said.
"It is the obligation of all of us to be trying to do something about it."
Sacrifices
On Sunday, Mr de Klerk admitted in an article in the Sunday Independent newspaper that white rule had been "morally indefensible", but said whites had made sacrifices.
Mr de Klerk, who was president from 1989 to 1994, was South Africa's last white head of state who opened the way to majority rule by releasing political prisoners and lifting the ban on the African National Congress and other organisations.
"Would it not be appropriate for black South Africans also to give more recognition to the contribution whites have made to the new South Africa?" he wrote in the Sunday Independent.
"It required considerable courage... to overcome their reasonable fears and put their trust in their erstwhile enemies," Mr de Klerk wrote.
In another development, an apartheid-era general has released a report commissioned by Mr de Klerk on the involvement of the South African military in clandestine measures to destabilise the country in the early 1990s, the Sunday Independent reports.
The report by General Pierre Steyn is said to identify military and other figures who allegedly plotted violence aimed at hindering the transition to democracy.
'Failing'
Ten years after the Truth Commission began its work, Archbishop Tutu said one of its failings was not being able to engage the white community sufficiently.
A major shortcoming was not persuading senior figures such as former president PW Botha to take part.
The government has indicated that it may, in the near future, prosecute certain individuals who were not granted amnesty by the Truth Commission.
Archbishop Tutu said his concern was that once again it might be the foot soldiers and not the big fish that were targeted.
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01-05-06, 12:39 PM
Do you really think that Whites are going to thank Blacks for anything?! Please.
I love Mr. Tutu - he is a saint. But bynow, nothing should surprise him. He's lived long enough to understand how this world works. I'm not expecting that Whites will thank us for any kindness that we have shown to them despite their actions toward us.
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01-05-06, 03:05 PM
This is the reason The Truth and Reconciliation process was a sham, no other place on earth would people escape war crimes including the use of biological agents, attempted nuclear programme and destabilisation, invasion and bombing of surrounding Nations.
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01-05-06, 03:26 PM
Hmmm lets see if I'm getting this correct....Europeans were the ruling force in Azania, they had the benefit of cheap labour in their factories and in their homes. They virtually had a free pass to commit murder and abuse without consequence, they were also in a privilage position of having full employment for them and ther kind, not just full employment for the BEST jobs...
Now Tutu EXPECTS them to be grateful because thwey have now lost their privilage position...for beinf made a second class citizens and for taking orders from those they once abused and killed with impunity...is it me or is that man completely mad/stupid..
Sorry I can't agree that Tutu, was a 'saint' he and his cohort Mandela are the biggest JOKERS...who sold out their people for the thirty pieces and now expect gratitude for this betrayal...
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01-05-06, 11:06 PM
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Hmmm lets see if I'm getting this correct....Europeans were the ruling force in Azania, they had the benefit of cheap labour in their factories and in their homes. They virtually had a free pass to commit murder and abuse without consequence, they were also in a privilage position of having full employment for them and ther kind, not just full employment for the BEST jobs...
Now Tutu EXPECTS them to be grateful because thwey have now lost their privilage position...for beinf made a second class citizens and for taking orders from those they once abused and killed with impunity...is it me or is that man completely mad/stupid..
Sorry I can't agree that Tutu, was a 'saint' he and his cohort Mandela are the biggest JOKERS...who sold out their people for the thirty pieces and now expect gratitude for this betrayal...
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Well, only a saint can think the way tutu thinks ... it is refreshing occasionally as long as one doesn't take it too seriously.
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I disagree with your view of mandela ... To my mind mandela is one ofonly a handful of blackafrican politicians who has real standing and credibilty in the world today.
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01-05-06, 11:08 PM
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Well, only a saint can think the way tutu thinks ... it is refreshing occasionally as long as one doesn't take it too seriously.
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I disagree with your view of mandela ... To my mind mandela is one ofonly a handful of blackafrican politicians who has real standing and credibilty in the world today.
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Zaghawa: Well of course he has...that is because THEY put him POWER in the first place!!
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01-05-06, 11:15 PM
I don't know what planet Desmond Tu-fool comes from.
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01-05-06, 11:27 PM
As a youngen I don't know very much on South Africa and can't be bothered 2 search nuff sites to find out info. So I'll ask other members on BNV about the current situations in SA.
Is there still a great difference in ownership of property between Africans and whites?Do Africans still sufferdiscrimination in the job-market? Is/has the current govt done a lot to help Africans improve their quality of live since 1994?
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01-05-06, 11:29 PM
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Words fail me.....his name alone makes me want to sing, and my singing has been known to make people comitt suicide...lol...hmmm, maybe i should sing right now in the hope that Tu-fool might just do that so we can all be left in peace!
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02-05-06, 06:33 AM
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Sorry I can't agree that Tutu, was a 'saint' he and his cohort Mandela are the biggest JOKERS...who sold out their people for the thirty pieces and now expect gratitude for this betrayal...
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I suppose it's easy to sprout such nonsense, considering that you have not been through half of what Rolihlahla hasbeen through. Some people......KMT.
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02-05-06, 06:46 AM
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Oh good then why don't you explain what exactly Manadela did for the people of Azania, this ought to be good.
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02-05-06, 06:56 AM
As Africans we are forever attempting to forget the past injustices commited on us and looking for the approval and acceptance of the almighty whitey. When will ever learn?
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