Question: If you were in a nightclub, say in the VIP area having a glass of champage, then saw an innocent man bump into a Member of a feared Gang, only to be beaten to a plup , held by one person and stabbed in the heart with a sharp object by another thenleft to bleed to death on the night club floor.

If you were in a Club like, along with the other 150 crowdthat and saw the whole thing, who did it, would you allow the grieving Mother, the Widow and Fatherless Childern the opportunity for closure and give evidence in Court against the culprits?

Or would you turn the other cheek and go about your business?

Dada wrote: To be honest I would have probably fainted by now. Can't stand blood and violence.

But seriously, the question is easy to answer on one level. From the point of view of my sense of morals, I would be compelled to do my bit to see that the perpetrators of such a vicious crime were brought to book.

But from another point of view, a lot would depend on what I feel is the realistic possibility of harm coming to me (i.e. depriving my wife and children of such an important figure in their life) or (even more of concern), what harmcould come to my family (e.g. reprisals).

I feel it is practical impossible to know for sure what you would do until faced with such a situation for real. I would hope never to be, seeing as I am such a squeamish whimp.

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Give evidence every time from a moral standpoint. However being the doorman I'd not really have a choice in the matter, police always question me first anyway. Some of the times I'd have made the arrest already. I always tell thepoliceevery damn thing, I ain't here to defend killers andstupid young fools who like mash up a dance. I send police their way with full info regular.

Backatya wrote:

Good point. That's why I don't judge people who are too scared to give evidence.

More time though it ain't about people being scared it's about people not wanting to be a snitch or not wanting to talk to dirty babylon for any reason which is dumb to my mind.Who you really helping by keeping quiet?

I voted to give evidence, but in reality I would very cicumspect. That is because the British police are corrupt and murderous in the case of black on black crimes. They will not hesitate to protect their undergroung informants/gangg leaders by feeding them information about who is brewing to grass. Thats a key reason why black criminals can kill in broad daylight..the know hat hey are protected by the wrong arm of the law. Six monts inside and a quiet deportation to wherever, from where they will slip back into this country.

The British are working to destroy the black community from within..and in their very British way.

@The Watcher. You are a braver man than me. Done probably most security type work from static work eg door and space security to covert work. Never ever done any door work where there is drink or alochol unless they were movement or organisation functions. Too much violence and uneneccaries. Even though things are far better regulated than before but idiot boys got more access to guns than back in the day where we could beat them to the draw.

I liked Backatya's honest answer because that is what I would expect an honest person to say. Far easier to talk than walk in these situations. Morality is high, simply existing is low but right.

Unless you have the personal resources and collective resources why would you be so foolish to risk your life for most of these cases? Sorry this comes from experience and not just high morality which may have little to do with the ugly realities of these things.

The Watcher is bravely doing his job and I underline his job, just like a policeman or professional solider that is what they do. I have been what we call point on high security personal protection operations, which means at the end of the day if somone attempts to kill the target (usually big radical dignatories and usually foreign eg Jessi Jackson, Mugabe etc) I have to stop the attacker by any means including taking being shot point blank..It is my job and I was proud to have it.

Nobody else or other ordinary black person has that responsibility. If somebody does step up great and all praises, but I would not diss or wrong them if they did not.

Furthermore to the question, even if you have the personal and collective resources to take what comes when you are prepared to come forward in such situations, it does not mean I would agree with someone doing it. It all depends on the actual facts of the case of how I felt about it. Most of these killings if I witnessed them I would go about my business and pretend I saw nothing.

However, in other cases which strike my sense of moral outrage and if it was convenient in terms of my other priorities then I would consider it. Why because I know what is involved and have been hunted or played cat and mouse with people looking to do me harm or vice versa and know how much of your life that will consume after all the heroics and public adulation is done and you cannot sleep because serious people are on your case with a lot to lose one way or another. I once had people phoning my mother threatening to kill me. If she was a weak and easily frightened woman things could have gone one way. Fortunately she wasn't and warned the people for their own sakes never phone her again and really get her son mad because she knows her son and what will happen.

I have let many things slide in life when I was in possession of serious information which the police or other people desperately needed to deal with someone who needed it, but kept stum. A man must know what he is going to put his family and his close troops through when you make certain decsions.

These are rarely moral matters, but logistical and very very practical. Sorry not everybodies life is equal in terms of incovenience and shit you will have to take on.

Peace.

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[align=left]I forgot I posted this one as I did similar one on the same topic else where sorry for a lack of earlier reply:

I would not bow down or be intimidated by Criminals that destroy our community. By lowing my head and not doing the right thing I am increasing my chances of assisting more damage in the community and setting a bad example to my family.

I would insist on Police protection, screens, voice distortion etc. But I would and have stepped up to the plate. I understand that it is difficult for many people be one should not be fooled into thinking by staying quiet one is protecting one's self and family you are not.

Hat's off to you the Watcher keep up the good work. For the rest of us would it be more easier to step up to the plate if it was a RACIST MURDER?confused3

For more info:

London & South England - London & South England

Written by Mackie Catriona

A late-night bar in the City has become the first licensed premises in the Square Mile London to have its license revoked.

The decision follows a series of events, which have led to trouble at the City nightspot. City of London Police officers have had to deal with issues of overcrowding, fights inside and outside the club, and have dealt with several complaints from members of the local community. Officers are currently investigating the murder of African Caribbean music promoter Olu Olagbaju which happened inside Shadans on 4 December 2006.

City of London Police requested a revocation of the license and a subsequent review was held. The premises was then made the subject of a 24 hour closure order on 13 January as a result of information indicating that there would be disorder that evening.

On Monday 29 January the licensing committee met for a review hearing and the decision was made to revoke the license for Shadans on a permanent basis.

This is the first time in the City's history that a license has been revoked on a permanent basis, and it has only happened a few times in the Greater London area.

City Police Inspector Matt Burgess said:

"This decision was taken as a result of the gross mismanagement and disregard for public safety that has been displayed by the owners of Shadans."

"As a Force we work in partnership with licensees across the City to ensure that they are encouraging safe drinking in a safe environment. This includes initiatives such as having a strict door policy, ensuring staff are well trained and being respectful of the neighbouring community."

"The closure of Shadans clearly demonstrates the robust approach which City of London Police will take with any licensees who do not manage their premises responsibly and threaten the safety of their patrons as a result."


The owners have 21 days in which to lodge an appeal against the decision.


For further information please contact Catriona Mackie, Press and PR Officer, on 020 7601 2258.


Olu Olagbaju [/align]

[align=left] Murdered 4 December 2006[/align]

[align=left].....his family would appreciate that witnesses did not turn the other cheek. [/align]

[align=center]Dashem Tesfamichael [/align]
[align=center]is a Prime Suspect in the murder of [/align]
[align=center]Olu Olagbaju[/align]
[align=left]Tesfemichael, 22 is known to have lived in Euston and Grays, Essex, and has connections with Hackney, Clapton and Canning Town. [/align]
[align=left]He is said to be of Stocky Build, 5ft 11, with distinctive gold Teeth.[/align]
[align=left]He had flown from Stansted to Bergamo in Italy.[/align]
[align=left]If anyone know the where abouts of this Killer please call the City Police on 0207 601 2222 or Crime Stoppers 0800 555 111. [/align]
[align=left]Olu Olagbaju's pregnant widow and young child, would appreciate it. [/align]
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