Apedemak - again illustrating the significance of Toyin asking the African Christians to walk out with him i.e. if you're not going to apologise which going by your barbaric history to your present war in Iraq, then we truly don't expect you to but don't dare try to insult us even further with this Wilberfarce celebration.

Toyin is a true example to us all!

Brothaman kept it real and represented.

On levels I feel sad that there weren't a few more of us there who were ready to make the stand he did... (my self included...)

Also I for one definitely believe there was nothing at all wrong with his timing...

If anything his timing and actions are what made this episode so poignant...

To be honest with you I don't bother with Question Time, unless they allow people to ring in and challenege their foolishness.

Ive been in a similar forum like that before, its just a bunch of idiots saying what the public want to hear, and seeing who can gain the most applause from the dumb european public.

They are jsut a bunch of SELF ABSORBED, RACIST, IGNORANT SONS/DAUGHTERS OF BITCHES .

Some of it is staged.

They get people in to ask questions and stick up for one side or the other. The whole media industry is like that, rigged to the hilt. Theres a guy on here who knows one of the contestants for that Island program where that european woman was saying we should all be slaves, his friend said they coaxed her into saying it to up ratings something Ligali should really be aware of cause we're all here gettign vexed at this and that while they're straight up pulling our strings. From big brother to Question time they know what they're doing.

We don't need an apology.

We need to redress the negative rationale, that was used to justify the Slave Trade, and which still hangs around in the air.

This is not going to come from the host nation.

We are in a time where people have very short memories and with the absence of grainy black and white films of bulldozers ploughing corpses into pits, lifting up a pair of chains is not going to do it for the British Public.

Watched both Question Time and Roots revisited the later was good the former shocking.

What we lack is what we have always seemed to lack and that is the cohesion to make an impact as an economic and political body as a community. While we don't and in many cases can afford to trust the Host nation the sad fact is that often times we cannot trust each other either. Then in lies the rub. Until we get Organised we shall remain as indiduals fighting or "rebelling! on our own.

Yvonne Thomspon, a woman I have little regard for, did try to hold our own againt that BBC crowd, and as already mentioned it was a baying crowd with Demogues throwing bait towards, notably the Asian conservative.

The Roots programme, for people of my generation can remember was the first time that European and White "Americans" even realised what slavery was about. Prior to that it was simply a name, the Programme ROOTs placed it in a context and that was the time when people openly in the Street "Did apologised" for the acts of their ancestors.

As mentioned before, if the Nation cannot from an Official stand point give an apology then why celebrate Trafalgar, or Guy Fawkes ???? If we can celebrate as a nation surely as a nation they can commerate. This and at the same time the European Union doe's not want Turkey to join them until they can accept it's role in the Areminenen (spelling) genocide. And in Germany as well as Austria it's an offense, by a prision term simply to deny the Jewish Holocaust. Yet in Britain we (collective) cannot accept the impact of Slavery where people are still running about with the names of their original slave master stamped on their official documents.

As mentioned before, rather than a demand for an apology which is futile, far better to simply on a specified day all Black people refuse to work and take the day off and send in a Bag of Sugar by recorded delivery to the Government, as the summation of what our ancestors sacrifice was all over about.

And to push the point even further ask for a one off "Inheritance Tax" from Tate & Lyle, Llyodds and another existing organisation that has benefited directly from the slave trade.

Dada/Apedemak - this apology thing. I've been thinking is it only those with a spiritual connection with their ancestry who see the need for an apology? From an apology to an African identyity, do those without that connection fail to see what all the fuss is about?

Likewise, does barbarian Britain expect us to be showing them forgiveness for a crime their ancestors comitted? Or maybe within this context of spirituality at least the church should be able to see the need for an apology, and probably more important the need for that apology to be officially accepted.

Is it the case that an apology should be given for those who feel the need for it? Let's say not every African feels that need, isn't it equal to say that there must be some descendants of the pereptrators who feel there is a need.

The more I see what the government, The royal family and the church are defending, the more I see that an apology is never going to happen - it's all business to them which governement and royalty aside is what makes the church such a hypocrite - but then who's the fool for thinking they are all not one of the same.

So maybe it's for individuals and individual groups to apologise if they feel the need and then only to those who also feel the need. An example.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2021382,00.html

When England look to their past at their pioneers and their war heroes like Nelson, it's not from a spiritual perspective it's just a another tick box which help lay the foundations for financial prosperity. When they commemorate their war dead, it's not emotional it's more the case of think how poor we would be as a nation if these soldiers didn't lay their lives on the line.

So, with money and finance at the core of English government, royalty, church and general culture, what do we really expect. Anyone would think these people are being asked to apologise for slavery in its entirety yet even an apology for the role their country played in the slave era seems a far fetched concept. Now we are led to believe they do not take thanks and praises for acts of charity done by their foreparents, they simply commemorate them.

I see it even more now, that barbarianism is so part and parcel of the English culture that asking them to apologise is like them asking us to apologise for being African.

An International headline:
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7006880049

Dada - Inheritance tax? For many an apology is worth so much more than the finance the governement are sh!tting themselves over....but then I guess there are just as many where the reverse is trueniceone.gif

MarcusGarveyLives wrote:

ROFLMAO

An apology is an admission that you have done something wrong.

The main reason why the state refuses to even think about an apology, is that they seenothing wrong, with treating Africans as sub-human, (Racism), today, forget the 18th century!!

They debate whether murdering millions was wrong, often saying "slavery is normal. and part of being human , our joint history".

They don't debate, if killingmillions of Jews, was morally perverse, but the wrong in killing millions of Africansbecomes a matter of opinion; and an apology is openly denounced from the highest places.



You say sorry when you recognise you have done wrong.

When has white power recognised it's wrong to abuse African life. 1619, 1776, 1807 1959, 2007?