Let me reply to the highlighted points.


1. Your right about us as a people being obselete. They know this, yet not enough of us know it. Things are gonna get crazy before the ignorant people amongst us wake up to this fatc. Next month the Border of Immigration Agency will be changing the current Points Based Syetem, which from what I have read will make it easier for even more Eastern Europeans to come into the country, who will eventually contribute to the breeding out of the black race in the UK.

I downloaded a reported which went deep into how the new system will operate. This will cause problems.



2. I agree with this point too. The amount of money we spend on cloythes we hardly wear, raving, expensive drinks, hair, etc its a joke.



3. I wouldn't necessarily say the boy is a product, as he claimed he was innocent, and did not have any drugs on him. It just seeme d like the old bill, being the old bill.




This incident are a continuing reminder of how much of a fallacy this equality/multiculturalism crap is.

Why the hell are we fighting for equality.....INSTEAD OF JUSTICE.

I am glad your not the only one that recognises this problem particularly, for the UK Carribean community.

Greetings Village family,

Fredblack said;

My brother you are bang on the money with both analysis and proposed solutions. Gove thanks for the vote of confidence and reasoning on this. I just wanted to drop a quick note of gratitude to all who has offered their support and love throughout this ordeal.

I’m still feeling a bit sore from where the police used excessive force but I’m out and back amongst family and friends and that’s what really matters.

I’m going to try and answer some of the questions on Galaxy radio tonight (22:00-Midnight) (www.afiwestation) and hopefully on Colourful (backchat) Colourful | Home | Colourful - Talk Radio with Soul. tomorrow (I will try to call in sometime between 18:00-21:00).

I’d like to stress that what I did was normal, it was the police actions and response that was abnormal.

Judge J you asked;

We should be fighting for both – equality to me simply means the right to self determine without interference from an alien entity. I’m from the Peter Tosh School of thought “I don’t want no peace, I need equal rights and justice” then we will have peace.

Thanks again family.

Toyin,,

Greetings dear brother and vex about what i heard..Been trying to locate stuff on your site as K has suggested to offer my assistance if it is needed in any way,..but it is such a good site i hasten to add, and so much on it simply could not find anything related.


Been in security related stuff a very very long time, which includes policing so know a bit about it..Also feel passionately that we have to protect those like yourself who are doing our bidding however we can..Also spoke to some brother police officers about this who are pissed. So anything i can do PM and we can get the troops rolling.

Stay focused and strong solider..These fools cannot beat us and that is the truth and not in this area. Its all part of the fun..

FB

MGL, sometimes you're as funny as fcuk, but other times, like this post above, you get it soooooooooooo wrong.

What the hell did expect Leroy Logan to say, " yes i supported Toyins actions, in fact it would have been better had he punched the Queen on the chin"

Get real sir, what use is he to our community if hes signing on, which is exactly what he would be doing had he acted upon your wishes.

I dont know anything about this brother, so for all i know you could be right in your opinion about him. However if you're going to prove this brother is a sell-out, which is obviously what you're pointing to, please dont insult our intelligence with the above piece of shit you just posted.

Le Moore my man really got my blood stink..because what do you expect black people in certain very very delicate and some time down right dangerous and i mean it, where their own lives and personal safety is involved, to do make the same Afrocentric radical or angry or whatever statements which a political or grass roots leader can make and should make. They play different roles in the same war.

You also have to check Leroy has been involved with developing black youth for a very very long time and strong on enforcing the issue of not breaking the law..I personally disagree given my background and now we do what we have to..but i wouldn't run the man on that alone..He aint no Lee Jasper where there is so much evidence on him nobody of intelligence can support him..

I once received a letter from the M25 5 campaign leadership ,the case involve Raphael Rowe at my office when i was working for the police..You should have seen some of the things in this letter, absolute madness, and they want me to agree publicly or put my name to that..Crazy..Just better give me a call and say lets go for lunch we can sort out shit and they can get my full support and access to my resources and people. I compromise my Chief Constable as his principal advisor and whole heap of more important shit involving black people, both public and on the low by being associated with such crazy and inexperience people..

MGL and a whole heap of these loud mouths have no idea how real shit runs and how serious power works..I have family in security services at very high levels in the Caribbean who publicly agree with the US on terrorism etc and then as soon as their FBI/CIA officers get on a plane go behind their back and fxxxk them up and undermine them behind their backs..That's how this shit goes down.

K..'Said 'Fred: I don't think you're right on the above at all.. MGL knows exactly how things run, and i suspects understand completely the difficult position Leroy Logan was in when the question was put to him...

The question for me is MGL's informed decision to castigate all people who do not follow his line of BLACK issues in our best interest or the best way to promote an agenda..? Now i happen to think Leroy Logan was wrong and clearly out of touch with the mood on the ground on Toyin... However the other question is this..just because Logan disagrees with Toyin's action does it equally follow that he is a 'sell out'?

As i remember it Kwame ture [Stokely Carmicheal] disagreed with MLK on many issues.. but they were part of the same side.. on Civil rights, Du bios and Garvey were diametrically opposed to each other...Yet history puts them both on the same side in BLACK advancement..

So the final questions in this aside has to be is there ONLY ONE WAY to advance our agenda or many ways... and is our mistrust of each other so great that we have set the threshold of who is or is not a sell out far too low?
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Good set of serious questions and not sure i or anyone could dare attempt to answer them definitively..K..got to disagree with you..Leroy and other officers take a vow of loyalty to the Queen. That is who police officers swear their allegiances to and as Le Moore said even though i agreed with Toyin's actions down the line and don't care who knows it..I am not a serving police officer and one in his position and it is like spitting in the Queen's face on a crude level, even though in my view that is not what Toyin did, he made a dignified protest..But then I am not serving within the system the way Leroy is so can talk how i like to a greater degree.

So you are never going to get people in sensitive positions to openly agree of things they often agree with in private It's like the black man white woman thing don't ever expect them man to support you public on that even when they feel passionate about it..Because that is a rope around their necks and to white people that is straight up Black facist racism writ large..

It serves nobodies interest and especially ours..Leroy Logan is better where he is rather than some bone fide white woman loving and no nonsense coconut.. I agree with your second point..Me and my guys or me and you will argue the toss within the same team and organisation on tactics..The only difference i would hope is once the collective agree we all fall in line. So Leroy could agree with a whole heap of things and nuff people would be surprised on what many concious officers support..eg black independent institutions, lack of reliance on the state and a whole heap of things but they differ on others..That's life and healthy. I would say regarding Dubois and Garvey that was a sad tragedy of history which Garvey and his big mouth god bless him started, but Dubois literally duplicated Garvey's position in his middle and later life. But what is shows for me is Duboi's basic integrity to say he was wrong and to grow and move to another position

But yes they were against basically the same things, but came at them from a different angle initially and grew to merge and create a body of ideas which inform modern Pan Africanism today.

Final question is brilliant and i cannot answer it..But my hero Cabral can when he said the struggle is inside the country and outside the country..any and everywhere we find ourselves, on radio, schools or in the fields with peasant farmers..I think and this is my bear bug it is about our collective maturity as radicals and how we educate our people that this is not black and white or simple as that...Now i do not blame the present generation or radicals.. I feel they were let down badly by their predecessors or too many who due to their own folly did not leave a proper legacy intellectual or physical which new soldiers can learn from..So don't blame people really because they have not experienced the many sides of our war and the key players in it..Hence why i often write particular post not because i don't have things to do, but it is my duty to share certain things with new and younger soliders coming up. They can accept or reject..But i have done my duty to inform.

I am fortunate enough to have had that experience, and know for example because certain brothers have white women don't mean they aint passionate about fundamentals regarding their people..Black soldiers in Northern Ireland with them white girls, hearing white police who they view as cowards, pushing around their families in South London, burn them hard and want to help and eager to..African scientists in serious jobs, help us on the low, even if they have Swedish wife

So many have never experienced that and cannot be blamed..However, the lack of imagination or open mindedness to even consider the possibilities that things are not just black and white as Chairman Mao said is their own personal intellectual failure and nobody elses on a personal level..That is about basic brains and thinking..

K an after thought where i would criticise Leroy is how he worded what he said..But as i said earlier i am sure if i had briefed him he would have dropped it more better than that. The key issue is never make a statement that can be captured by the oppositions. Because i bet money there is nothing about Toyin's campaign that my boy would not agree with. But he could have been a bit sharper or slick in his response...

And that is about a discussion, a dialogue which we don't help by suddenly coming with the sell out business. I did not even know he made that comment, but saw him two weeks ago at a black men's things with nuff youth he brought from his various programmes and would have had that talk with him there..So that is a lesson from this. We need a strategy of dialogue with certain key brothers and sisters who are not hostile and on side outside the white or whatever media..

K..Listen i was searching the radio like a mad man..Came back to the forum and searching for JJ's Black Radio thread just in case i had the wrong frequency..Really pissed big time..

Nah man pissed..Spill the beans then.