Walter Rodney

shakac · (#1 (**permalink**))

Has anyone here heard of or read this article???

"How Europe underdeveloped Africa" by Walter Rodney.

Tahliba · (#2 (**permalink**))

It is a book. Why?

shakac · (#3 (**permalink**))

Got into an argument with an anti reparations lobbistand he claims that the African kingdoms trading in slavery got one 3rd of the transactions with the British.

I did look it up on the internet though and found out he was expelled from Ja in the 60's because they feared he was stirring up anti white rants. ( Can you believe that? Ja of all places)

From what I have seen of the article it looks very thorough and accademic. He was from Guyana and it would appear a black radical.

Tahliba · (#4 (**permalink**))

http://www.marxists.org/subject/afri...rope/index.htm

shakac · (#5 (**permalink**))

Thanx for that Tahliba got the ammo I was seeking to respond to the person in question.

I am just shocked that I hadn't heard of this man until yesterday especially as I was surrounded by ras ideology for long periods of my youth.

Document is very long but worth reading.

Bless

Tahliba · (#6 (**permalink**))

What do you mean '3rd of the transactions'?

A third of the profits?

Third of the trade?

shakac · (#7 (**permalink**))

It now appears that it wasn't Walter Rodney but Patrick Manning that suggests they made a considerable amount of wealth from the trade.

I am about to look up is paper on the subject.

MarcusGarveyLives · (#8 (**permalink**))

Can I suggest that you visit an African bookshop. Best wishes.

Tahliba · (#9 (**permalink**))

shakac wrote:

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It now appears that it wasn't Walter Rodney but Patrick Manning that suggests they made a considerable amount of wealth from the trade.

I am about to look up is paper on the subject.

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If you want an argument regarding African involvement in the Slave Trade you should be researching primary sources and secondary socurces specific to Africa.

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A bit of research is your ammo for your argument.

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There is numerous documented archives of African leaders attempting to endthe trade in African people

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For example the King of Kongo's letter to the king of Portugal in 1525

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"The demand is so great that we cannot count its size, since Portuguese traders are every day taking our people, sons of the land and sons of our noblemen and vassals and our relatives, because(local) thieves and men of evil conscience seize them, wishing to have the things and goods of your kingdom. They seize them and sell them, and, Sire, so great is the corruption and licentiousness that our contry is being completly depopulated.

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Therefore we beg your Highness to help and assist us in this matter commanding your agents that they send here neither traders nor goods, because it is our will that in these kingdoms there should not be any trade in slaves or outlet for them

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The Kings scribe underlined these words.

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As said there are numerous examples. Although the trade in their own people was the business of kings and rich merchants, there was much opposition, but by the time the Europeans had discovered then depopulated the Caribbean the demand was to great. Their own survival depended on their partnership with the European Slave traders.

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Even the Fante and Asante(states that developed because of trade with Europeans) attempted toend the trade inAfricans.

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One king evenattempted to set upplantationswithin Africa to prevent depopulation. can't rememberthe name but he was of the Fon of Dahomey(modern day Benin)

shakac · (#10 (**permalink**))

Thanx for all your suggestions with regards tosources offor my research. It will certainly help as sometimes I cannot remember who said what in my diatribe on their ignorance and lack of knowledge on African/black peoples.

The BBC home page links to the abolition series has a 'Have your say' section on reparations etc.

Most of the letters posted gotme so riled that I took the bait and respondedwith my views.In the main the black perspective is under valued due to the lack of numbers that post views.

I also frequentanother historyboard via the BBC andalong with perhaps another black personwe are putting across a viewpoint thatischallenged and ridiculed by some with the usual rhetoric 'it was 200 years ago move on' or 'should we ask for apologies from the Romans'.

The majority of the people that use the site are keen historians some are clearly accademic and very studious so itellectual arguments are actively encouraged. Others are not! Nonetheless it is a start as some are school teachers andsome are students and others just plain enthusiasts of history. Therefore if our comments can influence some we have made progess.

I use whatever means I need to persuade and dig away at their conscience so by reading the champions of their Euro/African perspectives on the interaction between the peoplesto justify their position doesn't always achieve its objective, to trick, blind or fool me.

Case in question was Rodney Walter!! In trying to belittle my position one of the respondentsbrought up this man unintentually and in doing so, gave memore ammo to defend my standpoint.

Thanx again guysas I am sure I will seek help from BNV from time to time again in the future.

Peace!