Last African and all others....

Glad that my ethnic background and migratory history gets brought up whenever somebody has nothing else to say......

I've said before....and am proud of history of my direct ancestors in Haiti, the cousins of my ancestors who depending on which ship we were loaded on...ended up in different partsof the diaspora...and of the original cultures and socieities in West Africa...where my people are from.


I embrace the highs and lows, achievements and failures of Black people worldwide....and having been raised in Haitian household and grown up in America...(and having read and studied history and culture of Haiti and Black America)....I can speak with confidence abouts topics relating to both. not that I am an expert on either, or that everything I say is infallible, but my opinions and views are informed by direct life experience AND study. I've proven this time and time again...

Last African...you can disagree with me or with girlfromnc...or with anybody else...and you don't have to be from the part of the world that is being discussed, but you'd better have your facts right, so that your opinions are informed. Otherwise people will challenge your knowledge of the subject being discussed(which I did)..and you'll be unable to give an acceptable answer(which you haven't).

girlfromthenc wrote:

Peacemaker,

A name makes a difference, a title. It's why people have first names and surnames. Don't be too surprised if people use different names for different types of people, yes even Germans.
A name is one of many discriptions. like ,mammals, Homo sapiens. males, black, african americans, Jesse jackson, sci-fi geek.
The connection that links us on BN Village is the black/african discription which is why we discuss topics of intrest relating to black/africans all over the world and not just in our own 'neck of the woods'. African americans are black africans...who happen to live in america.

When one of us is attacked unfairly, I think it is important for ALL of us to stand together even if it is only in spirit. Diss-associating ourselves from eachother because of a name/location will not help black/africans now or in the future, it will only help those who are against us and who use the 'divide and conquer' mentality to set us against eachother.


We are all black people. Yes. And we all have individual personalities that transcends that tenfold, and Africans the world over have different tribes, cultures and traditions.. If only people but stopped and used them, then we wouldn't have this German dude thinking alot of African-Americans in the Bronx spent their time insulting each other mothers....
In the eyes of this german and many others, a sucessfull african american with 30 million in the bank is just as much of a n1gger and savage as an african bushman. The 'forces' working against the african american are pretty much the same as those working against the bushman.

Some issues we can deal with on an individual basis ie, how we live our lives, others on a global racial basis ie, what's best for black people/africans.


It isn't though, but you can enjoy that nightmare scenario. It however, doesn't have any effect on reality.
What is a reality for one of us, may well become a reality for all of us it we don't take action to show the world that we will stand together when we need to. Other communities do, so what shouldn't/can't we?


Today Neo-Nazism is a culture, normally one adopted by youths with a pretty much a f**ked up view of the world. Not unlike some of those youths in London and Glasgow who like to stab each other.. In a nutshell it's a gang with a political edge, but a gang in everyway other than name. Thankfully I don't think all Germans are the same
The neo-nazi groups are taught white supremacist ideology, they have 'old money' backing and are recruited by old more 'politically minded' individuals and organisations. They are kind of a modern equivilent to 'Hitler Yourth' They have the support of other racial chapters like AR, KKK, BNP, SF aswell as many individuals who promote white supremacy, guest speaks lile Don Black and David Duke and thousands of others.

White gangs in Glasgow is a scottish problem.

The black gangs of london that you refure to, don't have the backing or respect of the black community, they don't have 'old black money' backing them, we nether like, nor respect them and certainly don't thing they are selling weed, nor killing each other on 'our' behalf. Their actions are TOTALLY against the the aims of ours. They are not freedom fighter for black people.

The two group are TOTALLY un-alike!

They have their act together and are working towards a common cause and collective good, while we debate whether insults to african americans are insults to africans/black people!


I deal with reality, not scenarios so I'll leave you to manufacture an answer to that. I have enough dreams, I need not waste time adding other people's nightmares into the mix.
At one point in history, aficans had deams, then the european ships came and we are living with the consequences of being caught 'daydreaming' today.

Nighemares can be useful,, they help to keep you on your toes so that we don't get to complacent and get caught out again. The jews have a phrase to bannish their holocaust nightmare....''NEVER AGAIN!'' .......what's ours?

While pretending the world is perfect, shouthing about 'bluefoots' or partying and drinking may make us feel better,it isn't really helping us guard against our nightmares returning!


But they are not. Now you're in the show, and what are you doing?
Ahhh! This well used question again! If I had a penny for evertime I read or was asked this........

Why is it that whenever some wants to shut me up, they ask ''What are you doing''? It's almost like they expect/hope that I say ''Errr nothing...I guess I better lie down and play dead''

I am active in my community, and in cyber space. I woun't bother going into details as the wolves like information to de-rail and serious discussion.

I don't believe in 'leaving it to someone else' as too many of us belive that and the result, vary little is being done. Many are active, but this is scattered to far and wide and some in ways that conflict eachother.

Some are drug counselors in the community, great, some run youth schemes, great, some join religion and try to convert others...not so great, some shout how much the hate YT...not helpful at all, espcially if you live in a nation full of white people whom you have to interat with on a daily basis.

Every community has it's problems, and the obsticles we as black/africans face are uniqe,because we are place at the bottom rung of the ladder, but considering our numbers, we should have far more clout both political and finacial than we actually have at present. So why are't we....?


You gave them 50 cent. You should be quicker to destroy the likes of him and Murphy. In UK we have our problem people, they should be dealt with also. Complaining isn't enough.
blkangryYou obviously not familiar with my posts if you think I am a fan of 50cent or hip hop and gangster rap and it's 'sell out' hypocritical 'I hate whitey, but I love YT's fast cars and champaigne and gold stolen from africa' culture. I have little love for costume wearing clowns.

And I live in the UK. My conection with african amerians is that they are 'black' african decendents like me!


However turning them into objects of hate and ridicule would so do the job. Eventually no one would want to be like them in the end.
I would rather they become object of sucess and teach a possitive massage. I don't wish any black peorsons down fall,we do need moden day icons, but if they contine to sell out and corrupt the minds of our youth, (and those who are older and should know better) then we do what we do to a limb that is infected with gangrene....


That's the American people's fault then isn't it.
Don't get what you mean, I'm saying why chose black people to be a focus of hate! When you have a whole nation with a well equipted army to choose from.


Your hatred of the Germans seems to be deeper than that Army lads hatred of African Americans.....
!have no hatred for germans nor for white people, many I trust more that black people I know!

If you make if more difficult than it need be me, my family, black people or even people in general l then I will have a problem with you reguardless of you colour race.! I'm not keen on 'w@nker-like behaviour from anyone, but with black people it hits closer to home.

It's certainly more helpful than perceiving each other in the same way. That perception isn't often a good one either.
I don't perceve black people as being the same, only the forces working against us. Thats why we are all here....isn't it!

People seem to be making alot of effort to just bag all black people into one box.....Character and all. The results are not fruitful.
If you read my previous posts, you would see I agree. I am all for black people expressing themselves in whatever way the want, as long as it is possitive,

Many of my intrest aren't considered 'black' and that is partcially because by this hip hop badboy culture. but I do what I do because I ain't a slave and I don't need to have street cred or live up to 'acting black' whatever the hell that means.

The things I do, I like and they broaden my understanding of the world and its peoples, as wll as giving me knowledge that I can pass to my kids. It would be nice if some places I go had more black people, but that will come in time.

No one should be walking down the street concerned about what anyone looks like in a perfect world. Goto Africa and no one gives a damn about your blackness. Goto America or the UK, and black people will stare at you, unless you are known to them. What does that tell you about how alot black people in the west think about each other eh?
What I ment was that white people view black people as black. Just like we should. It isn't helpful implying that it's ok for germans to insult african americans because you live in the uk. I would like to think that many of us are imfluenced by great black leaders, whereever they are!

You are at least, I'll be dead in 30 years.
I'll be dead in around forty+, so what? my kids will still be here, so will their kids and their kids and so on. Just because WE woun't around, dosn't mean we shouldnt' give a toss or that can't help get the ball rolling.

Five thousand years from now, I would hope that there is still a powerful black african presence on this earth.

I would laugh but.
You can laugh if you want but I suggest you watch out for david blain-urism! (slight-of-hand).

Jews are caucasoild, you can't often tell a jew from a white person; They have done no more or less horrible things to black people that many other white races. So I see no point is seperating them into categories of super white people, nor do I see any point in singleing the out for any particular form of harrasment. Not everthing that the N.O.I preech must be followed.

Whatever you think the jews are up to, do you think the british wouldn't/haven't done and tried to do to black people at some point, past, present or future.?

The KKK would be more that happy for us to turn our attention and anger to to the jews while they set about the distruction of BOTH us and the jews.

Jews are just another branch of white people. No better, no worst! it wasn't the jews that delvopled AIDS and infected millions of black people with it!

I have no intention of 'taking my eye off the ball' just to engage in the same bashing that is targeted at me.

Whatever they (jews) are up to, will only come to an end when we get our act together, stop viewing eachother as 'alien' stop being distracted with 'angry hatey YT' cr@p and stop letting people walk all over us.

African Americans are African Americans in my book, and the majority of African Americans think the same, so even if 20% of them think otherwise it doesn't change anything. Culturely you are not the same as a Kenyan. However that isn't as important as you think. The uniting of Black Africans can come later when the more important things are sorted out. Like family, morals, community, and so on. No point in thinking big without first doing the small things, which is a great task in itself.
There's a time to think big (globaly) and there's a time to think small (locally) then there are times when you think both at the same time.

I agree. we do need to take care of bussness in our 'neck of the woods;' but our 'kneck or the woods' is being corrupted from the US,

Trying to sort out gangster culture in the UK woun't be too effective if these kids are still receiving the negative images from the US.Thoses in america, have to be working towards the same ends This is where working globaly and locally comes in.

Now of course the problems faced by african americans, on the surface, may seem to be unique to african americans, but it isn't, it for the most part. Black people in the UK suffer much the same type of racism as AA's as do black africas all over the world.

The racism an indian person expirences is different. Indians are classed as cucasoid, as are all non oriental and african people. Few people question their (indians) intelligence. The racism we as african experience is held by all other races, So it makes sense to attempt to tackle it on world basis.


Point is when one of us is attacked in our own countries we do nothing. I have pretty high standards, and I'm not going to be happy about things until blacks attacking or harming other blacks is a taboo. I don't give a damn about what some German prick said, nor do I care about his intentions. If things were really good in our communities then what he said would of be laughable anyway, chances are he wouldn't of even thought about it.
Again this is something that needs to be tackled on a global and local basis. I think it is great that you have high standards, I too, have high standards, and I have them for my kids. I will not accept poor marks or reports for theri school because I don't see why black kids should have anymore difficuty at school that anyother kid...we aren't a bunch of klingons. There has to be goals and expectations or else you rot. So many don't which is why things are the way they are. There is little to no expectation of kids, so they have nothing to work towards. The same for many adults.

!t's these standards that allow us to be who we are reguarless of what is happening around us. I grew up ,and still live, in what would be call a 'ghetto', but I don't let the sh!t that is going on around me influence what I know is wrong.

It's weakness and follow fashion-ism that causes so much of the problems in our community,if you know something isn't to your benifit or is just plain wrong...don't do it...simple! We don't need religion to tell us what we already know.

There was a time when if a person did something fncked up, they would keep it secret prayed no one found out, now a days people will happily tell anyone & everyone who will listen, about their worthless behaviour, they seem to think that it gives them 'street cred' and unforutnatly....it does.

Way to many worthless behavours are glorifyed in our community. When the hell did 'juggling' become an acceptable way to make a living? Apparenly anything that turns it nose up at 'society' is considered pro black, b@llocks! Some just don't get it.

Reguarding 'I don't give a damn about what some German prick said,' we all care about what others think to some degree, that's why we don't walk down the street butt naked in summer, even thought we may feel like it! The problem is that too many have no shame. What the hell make a man think he can walk into a shop, walk clean past 8 people waiting to be served, then raise hell, when the till assistant say's 'Sorry sir, you'll have to wait your turn. Not too many of us grew up in a jungle, we know what the rules of society are, where we like them or not!

Too many do all kinds of cr@p without the slightest thought for themselves others. I can't for the life of me understand how a any black man, knowing the usual steriotype of the 'black drug dealer', can take his @ss outside and start selling drugs, anymore than I could understand a black man, eating a bananna on the street and making monkey sounds. Some just don't have a clue!

The notion of 'black pride' is way too weak to have any real value. How much of the black poulation would you say truly belive in black pride? When you have 'pride' in something, you don't sh1t and p1ss on it. When I walk down, I'm just not seeing it. I do see people version of black pride, but it isn't anyway near the same thing.

Thing is, if you don't stand together when you don't need to when you really do need to, you'll be found wanting.
Exactly, which is why I said that I don't think we should take the view that and insult to an african american isn't an insult to all black people. It is unlike that the german instuctor thought that AA's were violant...more likely he was saying black people were violent or just useing black people as a target of hate. We all should be angry and p1ssed at that.

All that support yet they still are weak. Morally they haven't got a leg to stand on, logically they are at fault.
Some of the things thay say are some of the things we (me and you ) are disscussing, so I can't say they don't have a leg to stand on. They wouldn't be able to use the examples that they use if some in our community wasn't giving the ammunition to 'lock, load and take aim' in the first place. Some of the other things they say is just to pander to their own need to feel superior to someone...anyone. That need in itself, makes them inferior!

Hatred unites the weak of mind and heart.
Agreed. It should be replaced by focused and control! I am by no means a passifist,
I can't stand 'coolies' and will 'slap any of them for joke'. But even I don't don't hate them or group them all together. If they stay out of my way, I'll have no problem with them, but god help the one that tries to 'front' me!

My dislike and distrust of them goes way,way back to when I was a kid. and when I used to tell others my thought on coolies, people laughed, because back then, if you didn't have white skin, you were consider a friend to black people...but since the recent troubles...people eyes have been opened THANK GOD! But this is just me rambling!

They fail ultimately. I personally wouldn't worry about them.
I don't share that view, everyday more and more people are joining up...something is pushing them there. If they do fail, it is unlikely to be due to any actions on our part!

That what happens when you don't lay down the right moral foundations. Until black people wake up and see that they are the cause of that it will continue and probably get alot worse. Currently there's a vacuum where that is concerned. We've let people like 50 cent, and Sports stars and the odd moronic comic and other races fill the gap that we should of been filling at all times. We got distracted and then wham, where did that truck come from. Currently we have Rio Ferdinand telling kids not join or to get out of gangs. Who is going to listen to that simpleton, he kicks a ball for Manchester United and that's pretty much it? It's a big vacuum when we need him to say something, along with Tony Blair.
True, but it isn't down to Tony Blair or Ferdinand. It's the responsibilty of parents to raise their kids. Tony Blair hasn't got a say in how I raise my kids and it's a sad world where anyone has to appear on TV to speak on behalf of parents. What are parents for? If everyone did their parental duty, from day one, there would be need for us to be having this type of discussion, but people seems to think you just pump the kid out, put food on the table and the rest will take care of themselves. We know different!

Pretty much identical where hatred is concerned.
Not really. The neo nazis love their race, their culture and eachother. The black gangs hate themselve, other black people and couldn't really give a toss about any culture that isn't 'gang'. However much I might hate neo nazis, I have to say that their aims and objectives are 'light years' beyond chaising 'bling' and cultivating an 'image'. The fact that they don't touch drugs, because the know what it does to the mind and body, is to be commended. How many gang members to you think feel this way?

I would agree that they are equally as a utter waste of space and that the world and everone in it could well do without them and their backwardness.

Hatred does not bring about goodness. It may unite people for a time, and then they turn on each other. That is it's nature it doesn't change. Name a nation that has prospered through hatred. In history it hasn't happened. It's a negative, and certain laws cannot be changed, especially one that is universal.

Vary true. Sad thing is, it hasn't even united us!

Hatred is ultimatly the reason we ,as a collective group, don't do well. We just can't stand each other! It's all projected self-hatred. It's like everybodies looking to earn themself a 'rep',or be act all smooth, what the hell for? Who the hell do you need to be tough or smooth for?

Due to the @ss backwardness and the gun toteing life-style I dont' bother going to alot of black events anymore because it's ever present. Way to risky. I could be mistaken for someone else and receive their bullet, it's not like the gunman would value my life so much that he would check to make sure I'm the intened target.

Years ago, I went to a carnival, It was a weekend thing, the first day was for mainly for children and the second day for adults, so I took my ,nieces.

We were down there for under an hour, when these 'cap wearing', 'hoodie loving', 'gold-teeth munching', 'weed stinking', sh1t kicking tosspots swaggered in, about 30 of them....at a kids carnival!!! WTF!!! Obviously they weren't there for the candi-floss so it must of been for the young girls.

No sense of appropriateness. Now maybe they had girlfriends down there, but even so, you don't enter a kids event like that and intimidate people. Needless to say, I didn't stick around ,nor did a number of others, because I wouldnt put it pass idiots like that to let off a few rounds into a crowd..for a laugh.What was shaping up to be a fun day ruined by a bunch of wanabie gangster. They have no sense or respect, not a drop.

Now this is where another problem lies, decent black people have vary few place where they can link up in large numbers and enjoy each others company and network? And I'm not talking about some fake @ssed 'cultural centre' where people are sitting around smoking weed infront of your kids.

Why is it that somany other races and cultures can meet up without the tension, but we can't? This has cost us dearly! The older generation are in one place and the younger in another.

How many places can we go, which isn't a religious setting and know that crap isn't going to kick off! And tell me that you don't get that vibe in here!

People talk of going 'back to africa' but yet many of us have difficuty getting on with each other here (and by here, I mean cyber space) Got to say, I don't think africa would have us, they've their own problems. Oh well!

Praise Jesus or Allah currently..... who knows.
So,so true,
Sign of weakness! The amount of people I know who bounch from one 'cruch' to another. First they are christians, then a rastafarians, then they find some militant black group, then they jump on the Islam band wagon. Clearly they are missing something, the 'togetherness' that you would expect form being a gobla community. You ain't gona find that in any book.

Correct again. The nightmare is already here though, it always is.
Exactly, about time we 'wake up' and do something!

You should of adjusted your perception abit. What are you doing?, i.e You're in the show, moaning about people in another show(Germans). Serves no purpose.
There isn't two shows, just one big performance. We are all conected whether we realise it or no. The racism/ignorance the is present in the german is present in many people all over the world. we all have 'german' a stone throw away from us.

It's that vacuum thing again. It has been filled with.... well idiots really.
But just as with all 'vacuums', you have to empty the rubbis into the bin at some point!, Whether that 'rubbish' is our peoples problems or the people themselves is what will be the differnce between us overcoming the rut we are in or continuing to allow others to take advantage of us.


Ultimately yes in the bigger picture, right now it doesn't matter, and it isn't really helpful. It's just words at the moment, that may or may not mean more another time.
Every great movment started with 'just words', unfortunatly they fall on deaf ears because too many are listening to 'tupac' 'fiddy cent' and so the can't hear. Hence turning down the 'volume' on hip-hop.

I'm saying don't react to hate, or anything else unhelpful. All the negative images and words about black people would mean nothing if well the whole idea of what is said or shown is completely ridiculous.

Hate should always be reacted to, just positively, ignoring it only makes people get cocky and comfortable displaying it. We must know when to argue, when to ignor and when to 'throw down' like The Undertaker.

The only way we can show that what is being said or show is ridiculose is to deal with the 'jonny negros' who are so keen on living up to the negative steriotypes that everyone has of us.

I think that is the case for all black people, which is a problem, and why it needs at some point in the future to become like a taboo. There's pretty much three things that can happen, especially in a culturely stagant nation like the UK. One, the Blacks become more like the natives which isn't really desired. Two, the Blacks especially the youth are in a moral vacuum and then just wreck havoc, Lord of the Flies style. Or Three they with guidance from their elders develop their own culture better than any current one.

Three isn't happening right now, and the result of which is what you see today.

Not sure what you were refering too, but if it was the comment about me not liking 'w@anker like behavour, then I disagree. I think far too many not only tollerate that kind of behavour but actively encourage it. Whrere's the pride?

In the senarios you mention above, number three would be the idea for any sensible and proud person, but number two is far more like, only differnce being the havok they cause will be more like a scene for 'Lord of the Rings' than 'Lord of the Flies!'

Kids these days aren't so innocent as those bygone days. All the more reason to pull them in before the get too out of control.

The main force working against us is within us. Once that is sorted out, the other outside forces are pretty easy to deal with. They may put drugs and guns into the communities, but if no one desires to use them then the outcome is pretty obvious. They wouldn't of done it if they thought we were going to be a danger to them. So the question that should be asked is how is it that they're so sure how these black communities especially in America would turn out?
THANK YOU!
So many of the things that black/african people think is so 'pro-black', so, 'anti-white', so 'real' so 'reblious' are all exactly what the powers that be want them to be doing.

They don't want our @ss in school getting educated because we could use that education against them, they don't want us to get on with each other, because we would us our collective might against them, they don't want us off the drugs, because we would be more focused, they don't want us to like 'YT' because that keeps the 'tension up'- the first rule of divide and conquer, they don't want us 'legal' because how the hell would they lock us up? They don't want us to venture into spaces that they frequent, because that is where they 'are', they don't want us to disprove all the racial steriotypes, because without the steriotypes we don't seem quite so inferior and they don't seem quite so superior.

Keep them ignorant, keep then at each other, keep them on their knees and for the love of god, keep them away from me!

This should be so obvious to anyone with half a brain, so why isn't it? It would seem the some people self-hatred is so strong that it has affected their capacity to understand what the real threat, where it is coming from and what we need to be doing to deflect it! At least a few of us are, better than nothing.

Might explain why you one of the few people I have bothered with of late who is not a complete arsehole on this forum.
Ahhh! that would explain alot,

I recognised your screen name from when I first joined, which was over a year ago, but there wasn't any real discussion going on just alot of insults, so I went else where. This is the longest 'disscusson' that I have had without having to cuss someone!

Good to see that two black people in here can disagree on some points, without it decending is to a slaging match!

Not saying it's ok, just saying that it wouldn't be a problem if we had no problems. People wouldn't think they could speak so freely about us if we had none.
Exacty, that's part of the need for us to stop the 'it's all YT chat and own up to the areas we have been negligent in. I just don't belive that white people have as much power as many seem to think that they do.

I wasn't suggesting anything about bashing them, just kinda hinting at not to praise them either.
Fair Jews, errr, I mean dues!