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Default 31-12-07, 12:24 AM

@Talibah hi sis..I am aware K was making a point, even a dramatic one to ram home his underlining point..but still think it is a poor example as some of the others..

I think it has been mentioned much earlier Mandela was here for something else and they pushed a microphone in his face for him to basically speel out the 'responsible thing'. No evidence he came here to talk about crime and no different than most o those very high profile figures really.
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Mandela urges Britain's black leaders to help empower community

Hugh Muir
Tuesday August 28, 2007
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Nelson Mandela will tonight warn Britain's black leaders they must play a key role in efforts to tackle conflict and under-achievement in the inner cities.

The former South African president will tell an audience of high achievers that they must beware of cutting themselves off from the less fortunate and show that they are bringing their expertise to bear.

The strong message is being delivered against the backdrop of this month's government-backed Reach report into gangs and inner-city deprivation which said black teenagers need a new generation of role models, aside from the usual group of musicians and sports stars. It called for more mentoring and outreach work.

Mr Mandela's message will be heard by a large group of black businessmen and women, celebrities, politicians, journalists and financiers who will meet for the mayor of London's inaugural Black Leaders Dinner at the Dorchester Hotel in Mayfair.

Organisers say part of the rationale for the event is to show that there are many unsung black success stories throughout a wide range of professions but that they are rarely focused on by the media.

The guest list ranges from Stanley Musesengwa, the chief operating officer of Tate & Lyle, to figures such as Naomi Campbell, Thandie Newton, Richard Taylor, father of Damilola Taylor, Anthony Hamilton, father of Lewis Hamilton, the former sports star and TV presenter Ian Wright and England footballer Sol Campbell.

Most of those invited feature in a list of the 50 most powerful black men and women in the UK compiled by the New Nation newspaper; rankings topped by Damon Buffini, the boss of private equity firm Permira, and Baroness Scotland, the attorney general.

Mr Mandela is in Britain for the unveiling of his statue in Parliament Square and the dinner is being held in his honour.

The message, which is signed and will be handed to each attendee, reads: "It is important for you as leaders to harness those responsibilities and ensure that you also empower those around you who scale the mountains with you."

A source close to the event said: "What the event shows is that people are making great strides in all kinds of fields. These are the great black role models that everyone has been calling for. There are many people doing things that all young men and women could aspire to and we have hundreds of those role models together in one room. It is a great achievement."

The event is taking place amid growing concern about the alienation of youths in the inner cities and fears that many drift into gangs merely because they see no more attractive future for themselves.

There is continuing discussion within black communities about the extent to which they should expect help from the authorities and the degree to which they are able, or should be able, to help themselves.

Last week, the Rev Jesse Jackson launched Equanomics, an attempt to address inequalities by focusing on the economic situation of black communities.

The intervention of Mr Mandela may be timely as his stock is even higher among black professionals than the wider community. Tomorrow's unveiling marks the end of a long battle to recognise his achievements. The sculpture, the work of the late Ian Walters, was earmarked for Trafalgar Square but Westminster city council said it was inappropriate in that setting and the matter went before a planning inquiry which found in the authority's favour. Parliament Square has since been accepted by Westminster and the mayor of London, Ken Livingstone, as a good compromise.

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Nelson Mandela will tonight urge black leaders in Britain to play their part in the battle against conflict and under-achievement in inner cities.

The former South African president, who met the prime minister, Gordon Brown, this afternoon, will send a stark warning to a groundbreaking meeting of high achievers.

In a statement, Mr Mandela will say they must beware of cutting themselves off from the less fortunate and show that they are bringing their expertise to bear.

The strong message is being delivered against the backdrop of this month's government-backed Reach report into gangs and inner-city deprivation, which said black teenagers needed a new generation of role models.

Mr Mandela's signed comments have been sent to the black businessmen and women, celebrities, politicians, journalists and financiers who will meet for the mayor of london's inaugural black leaders' dinner at the Dorchester Hotel in Mayfair.

Organisers say part of the idea of the event is to show that there are many unsung black success stories throughout a wide range of professions that are rarely focused on by the media.

Mr Brown welcomed Mr Mandela for private talks at No 10 by paying tribute to him as the "greatest and most courageous leader of our generation".

"It's such a privilege to have Nelson Mandela and his wife, Graca Machel, here today and I'm looking forward to our discussions."

Mr Mandela said he was "proud" to be inside No 10 and joked: "My wife and I are happy to be here because, as you know, this was one of our rulers, but we overthrew them ... We are on an equal basis now."

The guest list includes Stanley Musesengwa, the chief operating officer of Tate and Lyle; the model Naomi Campbell; Damilola Taylor's father, Richard Taylor; and the former England footballer Ian Wright.


Most of those invited feature in a list of the UK's 50 most powerful black and women compiled by the New Nation newspaper.

"Mr Mandela's message is that these people have done well, but they should not forget those who have not and they should not underestimate the contribution they can make," a source close to the event said.

"They have climbed the ladder. Now they should help others to do the same. These are the great black role models that everyone has been calling for.

"There are many people doing things that all young men and women could aspire to and we have hundreds of those role models together in one room. It is a great achievement."

The event takes place amid growing concern about the alienation of youths in inner cities and fears that many drift into gangs merely because they see no more attractive future for themselves.

Tomorrow, the prime minister will join Mr Mandela and the London mayor, Ken Livingstone, in Parliament Square for the ceremonial unveiling of a nine-foot bronze statue of the Nobel peace prize winner.
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Default 31-12-07, 12:54 AM

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Was Mandella 'brought over here to appeal on gun crime' Or was he over here already, doing the media tour. And asked to comment on "crime and the community"???

I do know that the only place I heard this story was here on this board. Was it a big story ie reported widely. Or was it just an interview/article?

I also recall around the time this thread was created that Jessie Jackson was touring the country talking about " crime in our community" and how we should tackle it.

Nelson Mandela or Jessie Jackson? Everyone has got opinions that get voiced....
Except those of the very communities that are directly affected by this 'crime'

The only reason you all listen (and concequently not hear) is because of their 'celebrity status'

If anything is worth discussion let alone argument over, it is the 'crime situation' itself. Not who should and shouldn't comment on it.

But given the comments posted by both Kunjufu and LeMoor there is clearly a need for a seperate thread on South Africa Post Aparthied. And maybe even on Mandella.

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I think K was just making a point with the mayor comparrison. I am sure he is well aware of his history.
tahliba: bringing this back to the point you made, i agree which is partly why i raised this thread, the aside discussing Mandela was and is a diversion... The point I felt and still feel is that it is a sham to wheel out some old man, with at BESt a questionable record on dealing with crime.. to lecture people in the UK on what THEY should do.. In fact I think its an insult to be honest..

As the Article I just posted from the BBc comments Azania has one of THE highest crime rates in the world... So BAD in fact that criminals are NOT even affraid to rob dipolmats.. which tells me that NO one is safe in AZANIA...

So my key point that i shall make again, is why is Mandela asked to lecture US in the UK about how to tackle crime... surely that is taking the piss... My point again is Gulliani{spelling] love him or hate him HAS a better PROVEN track record on this subject than Mandela... so why wheel out a famous black face as if somehow Mandela's name alone will trigger a chance in focus...

It ASSumes we don't know that things are bad, it ASSumes we don't want change...The people conducting these types of crime are not likely to be inspired or listen to Mandela no more than his OWN people listen or take lessons from him...FACT!!

Personally I'm sick and tired of the gimmicks from Blair and Livingston..what i want is a proper plan and not this type of back slapping self gratification events that pretend to attack the issue, bit in fact do **** all... that was be original point...

However moving this back to the diversion that it took, Mandela served us best in Robin island, the moment he sat down to discuss sharing power with his captors, he sold out and for me STOPPED being a credible leader, when he left his wife he stopped being someone I looked up to..and when he fed his wife to that sham commission mandela became just another coon in the same vein as Coondelissa rice, Powel and Abbot..and I totally meant what i said about pissing on his statue if given a chance...he is a disgrace!!!!


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Default 31-12-07, 02:16 AM

i would like to comment on the entire gibberish im reading above my post, but its the 2nd to the last day of the year, so maybe it deserves a pass.

just that,

A : no leader has ever been perfect
B :Good black leaders in AFRICA are few an far between
(can count them on one hand)
C: Mandelas personal life shoudlnt affect his legacy in this case. you never will (no matter how clued up you presume you are) know what goes on behind their closed doors when they were husband and wife, regardless of what we see
D: i didnt see mandela embezzling guzzilions like 99.99% of his peers as 'leaders'
or want to sit on the presidential seat until he is either chased out of office or busses a jugular vein due to old age 15yrs later
E: the truth & recon commission model, is needed in pretty much all other african countries fighting over resources and power that REALLY lies in the hands of the west and china as it stand right now, but they prefer to settle it by killing each other. as much as your spite might blind your view of white people, you shoudl know that there were white people in and outside SA who fought in some way for mandela and SA's democratic process. how do you repay that? by setting up a tribunal to seize land and economic power by force from white people? or a mixture of carrot and stick

F: guliani whom you admire, also left his wife, or cheated on her anyways.
G: happy new year

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Default 31-12-07, 03:57 AM

I try to have faith in Africa's "leaders." I support the ANC's more progressive (read: aggressive) members who understand the realities of restoring Africa to prominence. But even they are weak on basic social justice. They mince words when action is what's called for.

And Nelson Mandela has been the biggest sellout/race-traitor/white-man's-******/Uncle Tom--whatever you want to call him. Just DON'T call him anyone we should admire, much less listen to. And for him, a failed white-puppet whose own country has the highest crime rate of any country in the continent to them go elsewhere and lecture black leaders about how they need to do mroe to reduce crime...what a fool.

Listen folks, South Africa's economy is still the closely-guarded posession of whites. The same whites who invaded, took over and ruled Africa as a dictatorship. They love Mandela because he agreed to not prosecute them for their crimes if they let him out of jail and gave him the glory in his declining years that they denied him in his youth. That he would post for pictures with F.W. DeKlerk, one the worst butchers of the 20th century, with the blood of countless Africans on his hands, tells you what kind of self-serving immoral total ******* Mandela is.
That he refuses to demand trials for the millions of Africans murdered during the British and Dutch occupations tells you everything you need to know about why whites celebrate Mandela and heap praise on him, meanwhile tell lies and demonize a true leader like Robert Mugabe. Mugabe has restored the name of his coutry and is restoring the land back to the African peiople. Mandela has done neither and fights even modest efforts to undo the lingering effects of colonialism as if the fate of the world depended on it.

What S. Africa needs most now is a political strong man. Someone who will once and for all institute the policies and prgrams neccessary to cleanse the nation of the Dutch/British/Scottish/Indians once and for all. Do as Ethipoia and Uganda did: have all non-Africans register themselves, then give the *******s 72 hours to GET OUT! Let them know that any gold, money or resources they attempt to take will be seen as theft and punished by summary execution.
Gather all the so-called "ex" apartheid leaders and have a hanging party. Have white chumps hanging from the streelamps like Christmas ornaments. We all know the "Truth and Reconcialtion" commission was white-created tool to give the good offices of the government to letting the genocidal white dictators off the hook. Only Africa has had it's judicial processes so uttery undermined. And the US/UK look on an applaud, because the racial agenda in S Africa reflects their own twisted ideologies.

My policy regarding every squatter (read: non-African) on the continent, from arabs in Algeria to the Dutch in South Africa is, give the Africans (read: blacks) the guns and ammo and let the non-Africans pay for the their trespassing in blood.
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Default 31-12-07, 04:04 AM

Someone please tell me why we should let an irrelevant traitor lecture us and I'll be the first to sing Mandela's praises. Til then Nelson the Nitwit can just STFU!
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Default 31-12-07, 04:08 AM

@Talibah..seems as if you gave K to much benefit of the doubt because he has come back and reiterated his point even more clearer.

Even though I am not sure what his key point is given his varying emphasis..First by saying Mandela is not his target and count how many times Mandela would appear to be his target, including proposing the type of behaviour we usually see rightly reserved for people like Stalin, Saddam Hussain and old Cecil Rhodes that is to say pissing on their statues...

He then goes further and says he would prefer being lectured to by Gulliani who simply carried on an ancient tradtion which I naturally assume K would know how New York ethnic and racial politics runs, and clearly dealt with by Malcolm X about the racial policing of black people in New York and in fact the centre piece for his ballot or the bullet speeches; where he goes into great detail of what goes down in New York..

So how can K compare a white New York mayor where policing and crime and race being seen as inseparable and priority 1, 2, 3 for the white ethnic groups in that city, in controlling black people be compared to Mandela who simply by definition has never held such a post and definitely not shaped by those racial dynamics..

If the issue is on of the motives of Livingstone et al then expose that....But as Le Moore nicely suggested that this would appear an attempt to malign Mandela for failing to save the ozone layer or whatever comes to mind.

As i said from day one who would be a revolutionary African leader..better live in permanent opposition just making noise..
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Default 31-12-07, 04:14 AM

@Sportsability said..'My policy regarding every squatter (read: non-African) on the continent, from arabs in Algeria to the Dutch in South Africa is, give the Africans (read: blacks) the guns and ammo and let the non-Africans pay for the their trespassing in blood'

Two thing you said struck me immediately..You said you supported the more progressive/aggressive members of the ANC and then jumped onto Mandela for all the things you see wrong..That shows me in a flash..you know little about the workings of the ANC. That is self evident..The second statement which i have cut and pasted shows me another thing..You are probably not from South Africa and i will say no more than that..
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Default 31-12-07, 07:22 AM

After having his arguement rendered more transparent than thin air, i see Kunjufu has now resorted to bare face LIES about our hero.


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