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White women seem inclined towards Clinton, white men seem to be largely adverse to voting for her. Interesting that big schism and difference between white male and female voting. Interesting because several people on this Board have made all kinds of asinine comments about how white women are too smart to deviate from their men when voting and how Black women are so inclined to not vote the way Black men vote(as if we automatically should in the first damned place). I even heard a foolish Negro call in on Mike Baisden's show,yesterday and say that he, a Black man, was supporting Hillary because "white men run their houses and white women are not going to vote for a candidate if white men don't want them to". Never mind the fact that white women have CONSISTENTLY shown that they will vote differently than their husbands since the friggin Eisenhower administration, through REagan, Bill Clinton,if they are SO INCLINED, etc. So much so, that the term "gender gap" was created to describe the phenom.

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MEANWHILE, Black women voted IDENTICAL to Black men in SC. 80% Obama and 20% Hillary Clinton. Black men and women CONSISTENTLY vote the same way, yet somehow there is never a shortage of Black men ready to talk out of their ass about how Black women won't follow their lead in voting or whatever the hell else/or how we go out of our way to work against the brotherman,lol. Seems to me if you're to dumb to look at and analyze voting data, and know that the exact iinverse of your dumb premise is true, Black women would do well not to follow your dumbass.......I guess it's the same way you'll hear some bros talk about how disloyal Black women are in comparison to Asian and HIspanic women, and how those women never take other men over their men, when a cursory glance at any IR dating data you care to look at, clearly shows that Asian women and Hispanic women ,(especially Asian women), leave their men in DROVES, and Black women are the most loyal to their men,(which for all the thanks we get, may be what is really dumb....).

I notice that no one had anything to say about that.......... I bet if there had been a difference in voting patterns, we would have never heard the end of it. It's amazing to me how as Black folks we take on certain beliefs about ourselves and each other, and run with them, even when they have NO basis in reality, and put white people or any other people on a pedestal and are so willing ascribe traits to them that THEY DON'T EVEN POSSESS,lol.


Your "rant" was warranted, Gmahogany.

I have to be honest, I was certain this would be one of the more talked about issues on the board, given how much it was played up in the campaign prior to the primary. However, not a peep on Saturday night after you posted the exit poll numbers, disappointing.

Notice you hear nothing of the divide between white men and women in voting patterns being a symbol of their ‘intense hatred and distrust for each other’ in the media or anywhere else, like we have to deal with when we differ on paper or plastic, I wonder why that's the case?

I remember reading some say sisters wouldn't vote for Obama because they would project their 'misgivings' about brothers onto Obama; I remember reading some question their loyalty; I remember reading some question their intelligence. Forget giving props; we can't even acknowledge when we are proven wrong? It's as if some revel in feeling that we hate each other, sad.

I'm left pondering how often this(a faulty premise juxtaposed with a lack of hindsight when said premise is proven wrong) plays out the same way on other issues regarding African/Black male-female relations?




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Default 31-01-08, 07:50 PM

The Terminator endorses McCain. Tals about him being an American hero etc etc . Kerry went down that route and look how far that got him. He better watch himself


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This is a tough debate

Think they are about even. Obama taking a few pops at McCain and Hilary still flinging out the 'healthcard'


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This debate is in favour of obama in terms of the questions.


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McCain wins Florida

Hillary beats Obama unopposed.

Story of the night is Hillary maintains her strong advantage with whites and hispanics despite her negative coverage.

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I dont see superdelegates (party leaders) as people who support whoever the flavor of the month is. Im thinking they have deals/commitments/IUO's to certain candidates..I may be wrong, because Kennedy is a big endorsement, but then again hes not someone who has to ever worry about getting re-elected. Obama needs to concentrate on wrapping it up on Feb 5. The Clintons have alot of political capital after an entire decade in the whitehouse.
Impact, I am not sure if you are American or not. But having known a few Washington Insiders, let me give it to you straight.

February 5 will do nothing to decide the outcome. The longer this goes the more popular Obama becomes. And no matter how powerful the Clinton machine is, the real first family of the Democratic Party are the Kennedys. Always have been, always will be.

Obama probably will end up with a little less than 50 percent. Cllinton may have a little more. But this whole thing is going to convention. And Ted Kennedy with a whole bunch of other Senators believe Hillary cannot be McCain. Barack even talks about it in his speeches. She made a mistake on Iraq. And cannot make the case when confronting McCain.

This will be discussed behind closed doors. It doesn't matter how many people like the Clintons. People don't understand the Primary process and why it is the way it is. The Democratic leadership holds the real control over the nominee.

Why is that?

Don't you remember your history?


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This debate is in favour of obama in terms of the questions.
He won, because of Iraq. Hillary is excellent when she is talking about domestic policy. But he used her own words against her.

She said, "I am ready on day one".

He said, "I am right on day one".


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Impact, I am not sure if you are American or not. But having known a few Washington Insiders, let me give it to you straight.

February 5 will do nothing to decide the outcome. The longer this goes the more popular Obama becomes. And no matter how powerful the Clinton machine is, the real first family of the Democratic Party are the Kennedys. Always have been, always will be.

Obama probably will end up with a little less than 50 percent. Cllinton may have a little more. But this whole thing is going to convention. And Ted Kennedy with a whole bunch of other Senators believe Hillary cannot be McCain. Barack even talks about it in his speeches. She made a mistake on Iraq. And cannot make the case when confronting McCain.

This will be discussed behind closed doors. It doesn't matter how many people like the Clintons. People don't understand the Primary process and why it is the way it is. The Democratic leadership holds the real control over the nominee.

Why is that?

Don't you remember your history?
Id think my location in the top right hand corner wouldve been a dead give away if I was American or not but anyway here are the list of superdelegates (names and all). 2008 Democratic Convention Watch: Superdelegate Endorsement List

One is a list of leaders who officially announced who theyre supporting, meaning theyve come out publically for the candidate. Another link on there is to those who are uncommiteed..Each Super D. has a link to an article..You will find many of the ones who OFFICIALLY endorsed are literilly working on the Clinton team. So it actually confirms what I suspected..Its not just about electability but also relationships.
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He merked her on Iraq but not enough to win the debate for me. Thought she answered her questions well but you could see how Obama lack of 'experience' can help him. They didnt ask him any loaded questions because there arent any loaded questions you can ask him due to his newness


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'Undecided' voters give their opinion on the debate. If Clinton wins McCain is going to gobble up Independants like say his name was Pac-Man

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Did you catch it. What are your thoughts if you did


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Obama Raising $32 Million Since January 1st – Over a Million a Day – Sets New Record

Date: Friday, February 01, 2008
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WASHINGTON - (AP) One tapped his bounty of fans; the other his bounty of fortune. Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama raised a staggering $32 million in January from an ever increasing donor base, aides said Thursday. Republican Mitt Romney dipped into his personal fortune to give his presidential campaign $35 million in 2007, including $18 million in the last three months of the year alone.

Obama's $1 million-a-day rate is the largest haul ever by a presidential candidate during a competitive primary. The outpouring of money will permit Obama to boost staff and extend advertising to states beyond the sweeping Feb. 5 contests, aides said. In an e-mail to supporters Thursday evening, Obama's campaign said it had attracted 224,000 new donors in January for a total of more than 700,000 overall.

Romney reported raising $9 million in contributions and spending $33.8 million during the last three months of 2007. He did not release any fundraising numbers for January, when seven Republican contests were held, but reported $2.4 million cash on hand going into a month in which he spent heavily on advertising.
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Campaign aides said he was ready to embark on an aggressive strategy to confront rival John McCain with television ads in California and other Feb. 5 states. The decision signaled that Romney might be prepared to dip into his wealth again.

Thursday was the deadline for campaigns to file their end-of-year finance reports with the Federal Election Commission, numbers that were fairly dated given the hyperactive month of January with its slew of early contests and heavy spending.

Obama is now advertising in 20 of the 22 states in play for next week's Super Tuesday and plans to begin advertising in seven more states with primaries or caucuses later in February. Rival Hillary Rodham Clinton is advertising in 12 Super Tuesday states, including her home state of New York.

Obama and Clinton have been aggressive fundraisers; each raised more than $100 million last year.

Clinton's end-of-year finance report showed she raised $26.5 million in individual contributions during the last three months of the year. She spent $39.2 million during the period and had $37.9 million left as the year began. Clinton reported an end-of-year debt of nearly $5 million. Her total contributions for the year were $107 million, including $19.5 million for the general election. She spent $80.3 million in 2007.

Obama reported raising $22.8 million from October through December. He spent nearly $41 million during that period and ended the year with $18.6 million in the bank. He had a $792,681 debt. His contributions for the year totaled $102 million, and he spent $84.5 million.

With John Edwards out of the race, Clinton and Obama are in a fierce race for delegates to secure the nomination. Feb. 5 offers the biggest single opportunity for delegates, but it is impossible for either one to seal the nomination that day.

"We think that the strength of our financial position and the number of donors does speak to financial sustainability if it ends up going through March and April," Obama campaign manager David Plouffe said of the race. "We think we will have the financial resources to conduct vigorous campaigns in the states to come."

While the Clinton campaign has not released its January totals, Obama's fundraising for the month was expected to eclipse hers. Obama aides indicated the $32 million figure could grow once the month's fundraising is totaled.

"Once people start voting that's a more important measure of performance," said Clinton spokesman Jay Carson. As for money, "That's one measure of a campaign."

"It's one of the most important markers in the period before actual voters start voting. We're no longer in the invisible primary, we're in the real primary."

The Republican contest features far less money.

Without his personal $35 million, Romney raised $54 million in contributions in 2007 and spent $87.6 million. The former venture capitalist is worth up to $250 million.

McCain raised $37.5 million for the year and spent $39.1 million. Boosted to front-runner status after winning the Florida primary this week, McCain raised $7 million during the first three weeks of January. Advisers said his fundraising had surged since his Florida victory and since his endorsement Wednesday by Rudy Giuliani as he exited the race.

Giuliani, who dropped out of the GOP race Wednesday, raised nearly $60 million last year, according to his end-of-year report. He raised $14.2 million in the last quarter and had $12.8 million in the bank going into January. He reported a debt of nearly $1.2 million.

Republican Mike Huckabee, who had canceled his press plane last week in a money saving measure, resumed the flight this week. His campaign also planned to place television ads in Southern states in play Feb. 5, including Alabama, Georgia and his home state of Arkansas. It also planned to advertise in Missouri, Oklahoma and Tennessee.

According to his end-of-year FEC filing, Huckabee had his best quarter during the last three months of 2007 as his campaign began to gain traction, particularly in Iowa. He raised $6.6 million from October through December and had $1.9 million in the bank at year's end.

The former Arkansas governor's victory in the Iowa caucuses Jan. 3 did not translate into a wave of money. Since the South Carolina primary on Jan. 19, however, the campaign has raised more than $3 million online and $1 million at fundraisers.

Dark horse Republican Ron Paul had raised $4 million in January, according to his Web site. He caused a sensation at the end of last year with several major online fundraising days. He raised a total of $19.5 million during the final three months of the year, a sharp increase from the $5.2 million he raised during the previous quarter.


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He who asks is a fool for five minutes. He who never asks remains a fool for ever.

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'Undecided' voters give their opinion on the debate. If Clinton wins McCain is going to gobble up Independants like say his name was Pac-Man

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Did you catch it. What are your thoughts if you did
Yes, I watched it. I was counting how many famous faces I saw in the audience,lol. I saw: Brandy, Alfre Woodard, Hill Harper, Lou Gossett Jr., Diane Keaton, Pierce Brosnan, Rob Reiner......

As far as the debate itself, I was glad to see the focus on policy and issues. I thought that Obama scored points on Clinton's Iraq position, though I don't think that is going to be as big an issue in people choosing between them, as some people think it is. Overall though, I think she won the debate.


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Default 01-02-08, 12:53 PM

I wouldnt sleep on the issue though @gmahogany

Immigration issue was interesting. Clinton appears as though she has flip-flopped but then Obama came out and said that it was scapegoating. Risky, especially considering that the question was framed from an African Amercian perspective

All in all I enjoyed it,save for the 5 minute Hollywood nonsense. What teh **** is a question like that doing in a key debate