[quote=Backatya;1466282]I don't think that enough stuff can be written in this thread (and for sure plenty has been written already) that will reveal to me the TRUE nature of this man Obama, and tell me categorically whether he is the greatest thing since sliced bread or the second Adolf Hitler. The convictions of Pro and Anti Obamarites alike do nothing to settle my mind on that score, though to be fair both 'sides' have at times made some very good arguments to support those convictions. So as an outsider looking in I (like Jett) bring it down to basics and ask the following:

1. From what you/we/us know of this man, can it be said that it would be WORSE for America if he firstly, got the nomination ahead of Hilary and, secondly, went on to win the big one?
I say 'for America' because I am not about to kid myself that Obama, or any 'Black person' were he/they to achieve the unthinkable and become the US President, could ever make a difference that would significantly serve the interest of AA's or Africans per se.

2. The current US President and previous ones I could name, have not only done things in their tenure which can be said to have adversely served the interest of AA's and Africans per se, but have also done much which has DAMAGED the standing of America on the world stage. Is it so certain that Obama would perform as badly or worse?
For the life of me, I can't see the current crop of WHITE candidates being a better bet on that score than Obama. I MOST DEFINITELY would not pick Hilary as someone who would perform better.
Clinton, Bush, Reagan, those are names I associate with creepy, slimmy creatures one usually finds lurking under rocks. I don't (well not yet) put Obama in that category. If BLACKS in America can vote for the likes of those mofos, I cannot see how they can't in good conscience vote for Obama.

That's just it. As I've already stated several times in this thread and in threads in past years,I DIDN'T vote for WHITE candidates like Bill Clinton when I perceived them to conduct their campaigns in ways that were disrespectful to me as Black person, even when it was CLEAR that Clinton was the "lesser evil" among himself, Bush #1 or Ross Perot(who I actually voted for). So I'm not the typical Negro who will vote for someone who has disrespected me just because I think the other option maybe slightly WORSE. This is btw, PRECISELY what the candidates/campaigns who do that type of sh*t, BANK on. That's why the disrespect for us, never changes, that's why when it's time to make political calculations within a campaign about WHO can be defecated on and STILL be relied apon to vote for you, YA'LL always show up at the top of the list. BTW, I can't reiterate ENOUGH that the tone that you ALLOW to be set with you in the beginning of your dealings with someone, is the tone you better be prepared to live with, for the duration, PARTICULARLY when you are part of a coalition where it's already being made clear who is REALLY first among equals in that coaliton, and it AIN'T you. Hint Hint.....

So, were you addressing the typical Negro, your question would be valid,lol. That type can and WILL vote for a Cracker who disrepects Black folks, out of fear or because they think they are going to get a few more pieces of fatback and cornbread from candidate number one(who has disprespected them), than they will from candidate number 2. So it's certainly not a stretch for them to vote for a Black candidate whose campaign is less than respectful of them. 1. I don't scare easy, and I don't think it's a good idea to vote from a position of fear, emotion, or desperation, anymore than it's a good idea to go grocery shopping when hungry/starving,lol. 2. I dont DO disrespect/being thrown under the bus, PERIOD, I don't give a damn who the offender is. As a matter of fact, I'm even MORE incensed when the disrespect/dismissiveness is coming from a fellow Black person, cause I know they are REALLY likely to run wild with the sh*t, and take liberties because of an ASSUMED obligational/emotional racial loyalty on my part.

If the conclusion you came to under #1 in your post is true,(which I think it is), than I see no reason to reward a campaign/candidate for disrespecting me, by voting for them, just for some POSSIBLE negligible or symbolic gain. I'd rather BITE THE BULLET,nip sh*t in the bud off the top, and prove what I feel is an ESSENTIAL point to any and ALL who may be observing, and that is DON'T EVEN GET THE NOTION IN YOUR HEAD THAT YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE A HABIT OF or a LIVING OFF OF, DISRESPECTING/DISMISSING/THROWING ME UNDER THE BUS, without there being major consequences and repercussions. Simple as.......

See, I think some of ya'll think my position has to do with personal like or dislike of a candidate(too many of us are too busy trying to get our love/affection/sense of well being/accomplishment needs met by politicans for my taste, very dangerous,imo). It DOESN'T. I LIKE Obama,( I really do )and I LIKED Bill Clinton ok. I didn't take anything that Clinton did as it related to throwing Black folks under the bus PERSONAL. I don't take anything that Obama and his campaign have done as it relates to Black folks PERSONAL. It's not personal. They are doing what their analysis shows is in their political best interest to do AND what they feel they can get away with doing(from watching and observing past Negro psychology and voting behavior). I UNDERSTAND that. My/Our job is to let them know that they miscalculated when they concluded that I'M/we are the one/ones they could pull that on. It's like Lloyd Banks rapped in Stunt 101-"Yeah, I'm feelin you, but I demand some respect",(I've got a rap lyric for all occasions,lol),

Hold on there Gmalignant. My opinion of obama has never changed and I consider him a stooge for AIPAC and jewish lobby just like 90% of American politicians(Ralph Nader being the only exception).

But he's still considerably better than the other 2 candidates(mccain and clinton) and that's the bottom line.

You on the other hand are judging the man based on some delusional believe that he's throwing AA's under the bus when he's just trying to run a national campaign.

This is not a beauty pageant contest, but important elections and you should treat as so intead of worrying about where obama's shows up or not, worry about what the issues.

If I was an American, I would consider it my patriotic duty to vote for anyone OTHER than McCain. The fact that McCain even has a CHANCE of getting into office, is deeply disturbing.

As for Obama, let's face it, Obama is a lightweight. Yes, he is good with words - we can all see that. But the man has as much policy substance as a dry, odourless fart.

Give me a Jesse Jackson or even an Al Sharpton any day. I may not agree with everything they say, but at least I know they are political survivors - they've served their time in the trenches. Obama has not. He's the media darling - a woolly, liberal fantasy of ethnic harmony. How nice.

Policy? Actions? Well, let's not get too carried away with the details..... he makes good speeches after all.


The only clear positive here is that, whoever wins, we'll know by this November how the final chapter of the Iraq war will play out. A Democrat victory and the troops start coming back immediately ( 1000 - 2000 soldiers per month ). A Republican victory and .......... another four years at the very least ( at a cost of $300 million per day and thousands more dead ).

America cannot afford that. Another four years of this will FINISH her international standing and wreck the economy. Obama's commitment to bringing the troops home, is the ONLY area where he has taken a clear, fixed stance. He deserves a vote just for that.




The entire American population - regardless of race - had better make DAMN SURE the Republicans don't win a third term.

Gmahogony

I call it as I see, and barack obama is the best out of the candidates and yes him having an east african father is part of the reason I feel that way.

But You're being purposefully deceptive in this thread, if you support Clinton over obama just come out and say so instead of going on some long tantrums about the evils obama/obama camp are hatching up.

You whole arguement has been based on "the worst case scenario" . For example here you are already assuming that the man will sell out africans because of the silly argument that's the what . Not because of he's done but what he hasn't done or what event he went to.

[qupte] She said that anytime you have a Black male candidate or a female candidate trying to be the FIRST, they are going to be more like a white man than a white man could ever be, because they will feel compelled to prove that they are not the "black" or "woman" candidate. They will try so hard to not show preferential treatment towards their own group, that they end up unfairly treating/mistreating or doing less than what is usually standard, in reference to their own group. Her reasoning was, you'd be better off to cut to the chase, and vote for the white man in the race. I didn't quite agree with her when I first read that article, but I do now..........[quote]

That's just speculation and has no merit like every argument you've made on this thread.

You are good at writing a lot of witty anecdotes, but they are always fall short on substance and mostly grounded on paranoia.

[quote=Taysense;1466349]Gmahogony

I call it as I see, and barack obama is the best out of the candidates and yes him having an east african father is part of the reason I feel that way.

I notice you didn't answer my question about WHY he's so much better than the other candidates, except for him being East African. It's amazing how Obama supporters can NEVER do that. Chris Matthews had a Congressman from TX who was supporting Obama back before the primary there. Chris asked him to name ONE thing Obama had done while in Congress. The dude just sat there like a deer caught in headlights,lol. He couldn't think of anything to save his life. I find that to be typical of the "lightweight" nature of many of his supporters and the cultish, superficial reasons they support him.

But You're being purposefully deceptive in this thread, if you support Clinton over obama just come out and say so instead of going on some long tantrums about the evils obama/obama camp are hatching up.


I'm not being deceptive. I said throughout the early part of this thread that I was LEANING towards Clinton because just from watching the debates(which i'm sure none of you did), I felt she had the edge in command of the issues, policies, etc. I STILL feel that way. Anyone who watched those debates feels that way, if they don't have their head up their ass. In other words she is no "lightweight". He came off as a bit of one, during the debates, to me. IN SPITE OF THAT, I stated back in Dec that I would vote for HIM in the primary because it would be difficult for me to not pull the lever for a Black person once I actually voted,(all things being almost equal). That is what I proceeded to do, in spite of the fact that I was ALREADY picking up on shit about his campaign vis a vis Black folks that I didn't like.

In my mind, Clinton is out of the equation at this point. If I had chosen to vote for her, I would have repped that. I had already stated that I was on the fence when asked point blank by someone in the thread. What makes you think I'd be scared to say I voted for her or wanted her to win? if that's how I felt. I came on this Board and others and said I planned on voting for MCCain and his hundred more years, and YOU think I'm scared to say I want Hillary instead of Obama?LOL.

You whole arguement has been based on "the worst case scenario" . For example here you are already assuming that the man will sell out africans because of the silly argument that's the what . Not because of he's done but what he hasn't done or what event he went to.

[qupte] She said that anytime you have a Black male candidate or a female candidate trying to be the FIRST, they are going to be more like a white man than a white man could ever be, because they will feel compelled to prove that they are not the "black" or "woman" candidate. They will try so hard to not show preferential treatment towards their own group, that they end up unfairly treating/mistreating or doing less than what is usually standard, in reference to their own group. Her reasoning was, you'd be better off to cut to the chase, and vote for the white man in the race. I didn't quite agree with her when I first read that article, but I do now..........Thanks for the compliment about my anectdotes, but other than that, you're WRONG. THe quote you posted is a quote I posted about something that I heard a sister from SC say during their primary. Furthermore, you'll notice that I said I DIDN'T agree with her at first. What MADE me agree was Obama''s OBVIOUS ducking of the PREMIERE Black political/policy/academic even of the past several years, the SOTBU. I notice that you keep ignoring the fact that I've posted an article that basically CONFIRMS that Obama was being advised to duck Black events that would generate any publicity and to go out of his way to not publicize ANY meeting with Black folks, at some points. What is that, if not the "back alley hooker status", I've been alluding to?

That my friend, takes it out of the land of SPECULATION or intuition on my part, though unlike the rest of you, I don't give a damn if i had NEVER found an ariticle where his campaign was admitting to the things I've observed/sensed/noticed, I always trust my instinct/intuition/intellect(btw, most people aren't going to TELL you that they are giving you back alley hooker treatment when trying to get your vote,lol, though they prollly COULD tell YA'LL desperate asses that with no fear of reprisal, and in the article I posted, they pretty much DID tell you that. If they are willing to say that TO YOUR FACE/IN PUBLIC, heaven only knows how deep the sh*t runs. Nahh man. My intincts ALWAYS lead me the right way. I've always been perceptive in ways that others are not. This time was no different.

Obama struggles to limit damage in pastor row as white voters slip away

Listen for a few minutes to Joey Vento, owner of a south Philadelphia institution that serves gut-busting sandwiches through a takeaway hatch, and the scale of Barack Obama's problems become apparent. Obama is having the worst week of his campaign. It is, some believe, a week that threatens his chances of becoming president.

"That minister, that was terrible, all his sayings. He's preaching hatred," Vento said. "The thing I didn't like about Obama; you're telling me for 20 years you been going to that church and you never heard that?"

Vento, 68, was speaking about Obama's former pastor and spiritual adviser, Jeremiah Wright, whose sermons have been aired repeatedly on US television denouncing the US as racist.

The clips have alienated the white voters, such as Vento, that Obama needs in his next contest with Hillary Clinton, to be held in Philadephia and the other towns and cities of Pennsylvania on April 22. But it goes further than that. The danger for Obama is not just that he could lose badly in Pennsylvania but that senior Democrats will wonder whether the loss of white votes could cost him the November general election.

The latest poll in Pennsylvania by Public Policy Polling puts Clinton on 56% and Obama on 30%. The same polling organisation showed her having overtaken Obama in North Carolina, which is also still to hold its primary: she has 43% to his 42%.

Phil Singer, spokesman for Clinton, told reporters: "It's no secret that the Obama campaign is in political hot water."

Obama attempted to defuse the escalating row with a speech on Tuesday in Philadelphia in which he spoke in detail about his relationship with Wright and race in the US. It was widely acknowledged as one of his best. He wrote it on Monday night after his wife, Michelle, and their children had gone to bed. Although acclaimed by the media and political activists, his speech has failed to win over voters such as Vento.

Obama has since redoubled his efforts. Usually reluctant to offer himself up for interview, he began touring media outlets and appeared twice on CNN, first on Wednesday night and then again on Thursday. His campaign team announced yesterday that Obama had received the endorsement of the former Democratic candidate Bill Richardson, the governor of New Mexico.

But the sight of Wright calling on his congregation to sing God Damn America instead of God Bless America is not one from which Americans are going to be diverted easily. A theme that emerges from the bars and diners of white Philadelphia is suspicion that Obama's failure to disown Wright and his presence in his church for almost two decade suggests that he himself is secretly resentful towards white people. A stray comment during an interview may have helped contribute to that suspicion when he referred to his grandmother, who had voiced her concern about being mugged by a black person, as a "typical white person".

In Chickie's and Pete's restaurant and sports bar in Philadelphia, John Fernandez, a chiropractor, said Obama must have known what Wright was preaching. "How can you be that tight and not know or share some of those opinions? I was leaning toward him a little bit, but that took it over the edge," Fernandez said, hollering to be heard over the din of the bar and televised basketball game. "You got to go to another church, or you share those opinions."

He described Obama's Tuesday speech as "great damage control" and "a beautiful rebuttal", but he was not won over. Fernandez said he wondered whether Obama shared the opinions Wright expressed.

Obama, who announced his candidacy in February last year, managed to get through most of 2007 without race surfacing as an issue. Bill Clinton turned it into a row during the South Carolina primary in January, although the former president claimed this week that the media had been responsible, not him.

African-Americans in Philadelphia have been largely supportive of Obama's handling of the Wright row. George Brooks, a cook in the A1 Soul Food truck, parked on the street in front of the Temple University campus in north Philadelphia, said Wright's comments reflected the thinking of many African-Americans. "That's the way we think, as a people," said Brooks. "It may be a big thing to the white race, but you know, these things happened to us. All these things that he's talking about happened to us."

But what if those remarks make white people uncomfortable? "Just think, we've been uncomfortable all these years," Brooks replied.

Although Wright was right in a racial context, his anti-American feelings is not the way this Black American thinks. Ive been in black churches all my life and Ive never been in one in which politics are even discussed..Anyway Barack needs to show me hes going to be a strong AMERICAN leader and get off this crap about our standing in the world. In the end people are going to choose the person who they know will protect them.

well it will now take a miracle to get nominated. revd wright was wrong, its quite annoying to see people like him sum racism up as white this and that, generalizing everyone quite foolishly.

the big mouth causes it to falter again.

Gmahogany said..........I don't take anything that Obama and his campaign have done as it relates to Black folks PERSONAL. It's not personal. They are doing what their analysis shows is in their political best interest to do AND what they feel they can get away with doing(from watching and observing past Negro psychology and voting behavior). I UNDERSTAND that. My/Our job is to let them know that they miscalculated when they concluded that I'M/we are the one/ones they could pull that on.




Yep I hear ya girlfriend,however if I were capable of voting I STILL would vote for Obama,politics is MAD GRIMY and i'm not holding him to a higher standard within that grime.

How about just get him elected,then tear him a new asshole!