Obama - The Unfolding Story - Page 29

Gmahogany777 · (#701 (**permalink**))

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Limpdick - you know what they say, send your daughter come if she's old enough, I'd tear her a new gash...if not I'd still do your mum before you, you 300lb pack of puss. You're a one night stand, a sperm bank, and most of your deposits came from your mental patients. You're beyond dick dildo, your stench isn't worth it which renders even a blind man impossible, only your mental patients would risk it, it's why you worked there and even they called you fat skunk.
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Yes, LIMPDICK, B*TCH from you own fingertips. You sound more and more like a psychopathic woman hating wannabe rapist(you will use objects cause you will have no choice, thus the dildo fixation), with each post. Your IMPOTENCE and sometimes LATENT HOMOSEXUALITY both fuel your palpable hatred and rage towards women. You are TEXTBOOK. We'll be reading about you in the news soon enough. THe Uk's first Black serial killer/rapist,lol. Admin ya'll will be getting a call from Scotland Yard or MI5 before it's all said and done about THIS NUTTER, keep track of all of his IP addresses,lol.

Keep throwing stuff up against the wall to see if it sticks, TRICK, you know nothing about me except the fact that I once worked with psychos like yourself for a brief stint. THere you go again with the "bad" smelling pussy obsession. a. YOU came out of "smelly pussy" B. Stop projecting the HYGIENE issues of your ex wife and your mother on to all WOMEN,lol. Some of us stay on top of that type of thing, not to mention that most HETEROSEXUAL men, LIKE the NATURAL SCENT of a woman, as long as she keeps herself up, BATTY BOY....

Kunjufu · (#702 (**permalink**))

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Kunjufu · (#703 (**permalink**))

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Mr. Equanimity · (#704 (**permalink**))

Anderson Cooper 360: Blog Archive - The full story behind Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s 9/11 sermon « - Blogs from CNN.com

As this whole sordid episode regarding the sermons of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright has played out over the last week, I wanted to understand what he ACTUALLY said in this speech. I’ve been saying all week on CNN that context is important, and I just wanted to know what the heck is going on.

I have now actually listened to the sermon Rev. Wright gave after September 11 titled, “The Day of Jerusalem’s Fall.” It was delivered on Sept. 16, 2001.

One of the most controversial statements in this sermon was when he mentioned “chickens coming home to roost.” He was actually quoting Edward Peck, former U.S. Ambassador to Iraq and deputy director of President Reagan’s terrorism task force, who was speaking on FOX News. That’s what he told the congregation.

He was quoting Peck as saying that America’s foreign policy has put the nation in peril:

“We took this country by terror away from the Sioux, the Apache, Arikara, the Comanche, the Arapaho, the Navajo. Terrorism.

“We took Africans away from their country to build our way of ease and kept them enslaved and living in fear. Terrorism.

“We bombed Grenada and killed innocent civilians, babies, non-military personnel.

“We bombed the black civilian community of Panama with stealth bombers and killed unarmed teenage and toddlers, pregnant mothers and hard working fathers.

“We bombed Qaddafi’s home, and killed his child. Blessed are they who bash your children’s head against the rock.

“We bombed Iraq. We killed unarmed civilians trying to make a living. We bombed a plant in Sudan to pay back for the attack on our embassy, killed hundreds of hard working people, mothers and fathers who left home to go that day not knowing that they’d never get back home.

“We bombed Hiroshima. We bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon and we never batted an eye.

“Kids playing in the playground. Mothers picking up children after school. Civilians, not soldiers, people just trying to make it day by day.

“We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff that we have done overseas is now brought right back into our own front yards. America’s chickens are coming home to roost.

“Violence begets violence. Hatred begets hatred. And terrorism begets terrorism. A white ambassador said that y’all, not a black militant. Not a reverend who preaches about racism. An ambassador whose eyes are wide open and who is trying to get us to wake up and move away from this dangerous precipice upon which we are now poised. The ambassador said the people we have wounded don’t have the military capability we have. But they do have individuals who are willing to die and take thousands with them. And we need to come to grips with that.”

He went on to describe seeing the photos of the aftermath of 9/11 because he was in Newark, N.J., when the planes struck. After turning on the TV and seeing the second plane slam into one of the twin towers, he spoke passionately about what if you never got a chance to say hello to your family again.

“What is the state of your family?” he asked.

And then he told his congregation that he loved them and asked the church to tell each other they loved themselves.

His sermon thesis:

1. This is a time for self-examination of ourselves and our families.

2. This is a time for social transformation (then he went on to say they won’t put me on PBS or national cable for what I’m about to say. Talk about prophetic!)

“We have got to change the way we have been doing things as a society,” he said.

Wright then said we can’t stop messing over people and thinking they can’t touch us. He said we may need to declare war on racism, injustice, and greed, instead of war on other countries.

“Maybe we need to declare war on AIDS. In five minutes the Congress found $40 billion to rebuild New York and the families that died in sudden death, do you think we can find the money to make medicine available for people who are dying a slow death? Maybe we need to declare war on the nation’s healthcare system that leaves the nation’s poor with no health coverage? Maybe we need to declare war on the mishandled educational system and provide quality education for everybody, every citizen, based on their ability to learn, not their ability to pay. This is a time for social transformation.”

3. This is time to tell God thank you for all that he has provided and that he gave him and others another chance to do His will.

By the way, nowhere in this sermon did he said “God damn America.” I’m not sure which sermon that came from.

This doesn’t explain anything away, nor does it absolve Wright of using the N-word, but what it does do is add an accurate perspective to this conversation.

The point that I have always made as a journalist is that our job is to seek the truth, and not the partial truth.

I am also listening to the other sermons delivered by Rev. Wright that have been the subject of controversy.

And let me be clear: Where I believe he was wrong and not justified in what he said based upon the facts, I will say so. But where the facts support his argument, that will also be said.

Gmahogany777 · (#705 (**permalink**))

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Originally Posted by Mr. Equanimity

Anderson Cooper 360: Blog Archive - The full story behind Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s 9/11 sermon « - Blogs from CNN.com

As this whole sordid episode regarding the sermons of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright has played out over the last week, I wanted to understand what he ACTUALLY said in this speech. I’ve been saying all week on CNN that context is important, and I just wanted to know what the heck is going on.

I have now actually listened to the sermon Rev. Wright gave after September 11 titled, “The Day of Jerusalem’s Fall.” It was delivered on Sept. 16, 2001.

One of the most controversial statements in this sermon was when he mentioned “chickens coming home to roost.” He was actually quoting Edward Peck, former U.S. Ambassador to Iraq and deputy director of President Reagan’s terrorism task force, who was speaking on FOX News. That’s what he told the congregation.

He was quoting Peck as saying that America’s foreign policy has put the nation in peril:

“We took this country by terror away from the Sioux, the Apache, Arikara, the Comanche, the Arapaho, the Navajo. Terrorism.

“We took Africans away from their country to build our way of ease and kept them enslaved and living in fear. Terrorism.

“We bombed Grenada and killed innocent civilians, babies, non-military personnel.

“We bombed the black civilian community of Panama with stealth bombers and killed unarmed teenage and toddlers, pregnant mothers and hard working fathers.

“We bombed Qaddafi’s home, and killed his child. Blessed are they who bash your children’s head against the rock.

“We bombed Iraq. We killed unarmed civilians trying to make a living. We bombed a plant in Sudan to pay back for the attack on our embassy, killed hundreds of hard working people, mothers and fathers who left home to go that day not knowing that they’d never get back home.

“We bombed Hiroshima. We bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon and we never batted an eye.

“Kids playing in the playground. Mothers picking up children after school. Civilians, not soldiers, people just trying to make it day by day.

“We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff that we have done overseas is now brought right back into our own front yards. America’s chickens are coming home to roost.

“Violence begets violence. Hatred begets hatred. And terrorism begets terrorism. A white ambassador said that y’all, not a black militant. Not a reverend who preaches about racism. An ambassador whose eyes are wide open and who is trying to get us to wake up and move away from this dangerous precipice upon which we are now poised. The ambassador said the people we have wounded don’t have the military capability we have. But they do have individuals who are willing to die and take thousands with them. And we need to come to grips with that.”

He went on to describe seeing the photos of the aftermath of 9/11 because he was in Newark, N.J., when the planes struck. After turning on the TV and seeing the second plane slam into one of the twin towers, he spoke passionately about what if you never got a chance to say hello to your family again.

“What is the state of your family?” he asked.

And then he told his congregation that he loved them and asked the church to tell each other they loved themselves.

His sermon thesis:

1. This is a time for self-examination of ourselves and our families.

2. This is a time for social transformation (then he went on to say they won’t put me on PBS or national cable for what I’m about to say. Talk about prophetic!)

“We have got to change the way we have been doing things as a society,” he said.

Wright then said we can’t stop messing over people and thinking they can’t touch us. He said we may need to declare war on racism, injustice, and greed, instead of war on other countries.

“Maybe we need to declare war on AIDS. In five minutes the Congress found $40 billion to rebuild New York and the families that died in sudden death, do you think we can find the money to make medicine available for people who are dying a slow death? Maybe we need to declare war on the nation’s healthcare system that leaves the nation’s poor with no health coverage? Maybe we need to declare war on the mishandled educational system and provide quality education for everybody, every citizen, based on their ability to learn, not their ability to pay. This is a time for social transformation.”

3. This is time to tell God thank you for all that he has provided and that he gave him and others another chance to do His will.

By the way, nowhere in this sermon did he said “God damn America.” I’m not sure which sermon that came from.

This doesn’t explain anything away, nor does it absolve Wright of using the N-word, but what it does do is add an accurate perspective to this conversation.

The point that I have always made as a journalist is that our job is to seek the truth, and not the partial truth.

I am also listening to the other sermons delivered by Rev. Wright that have been the subject of controversy.

And let me be clear: Where I believe he was wrong and not justified in what he said based upon the facts, I will say so. But where the facts support his argument, that will also be said.

Thanks for posting this.

As the responses in the thread indicate, most AA's ALREADY know that there was nothing wrong with what WRight said, even the most 'extreme" stuff like God damn America(which he did say, not sure what speech but I've seen the footage), is something that most of us understand the sentiment behind. It's white people who aren't going to HEAR it that way, because their experience by and large won't allow them to HEAR it that way.

This is partially what I've been trying to explain in this thread all along. Black folks keep thinking that the majority of whites can be REASONED with or that their responses to us are logical they are not. They are visceral, they have nothing to do with logic, reason or what is or isn't TRUE. It doesn't matter how genteely you say what needs to be said, they don't want to hear it,(not for real for real). Even MLK, as genteel and non abrasive as he was, when he crossed the line and started telling this country about Vietnam and how wrong it was, caught HELL. That's what I meant earlier in the thread when I talked about how white folks couldn't abide anybody Black that isn't going to be a Tom to some degree. That's why they can view certain people as belligerent/dangerous/race baiters like Jackson/Sharpton, and we're like HUH, we'll be totally viewing them as moderate or safe??? Well, some of us do buy into their mischaracterization and start tap dancing and spitting watermelon seeds, throwing the persons in question under the bus,but many of us don't,thankfully.

The minute that Black person that whites had adjudicated as "safe" doesn't dance to that tune(in their estimation), it's a wrap. So whether you play it King's way, or Malcolm's way or somewhere else in between , like Jackson, Sharpton or WRight, there is only so much TRUTH telling, these mofos want to hear from our Black asses,lol. That's why I refuse to play the "jump through this hoop" game, they perpetually have Negroes playing. That's why you have to take a stand at some point, and let the chips fall. Compromise is cool, to a point, but sometimes people fool you into thinking they just want to compromise, when what they really want is for YOU to compromise, or more likely what they want you to do is surrender.

Burning Spear · (#706 (**permalink**))

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Originally Posted by Gmahogany777

Thanks for posting this.

As the responses in the thread indicate, most AA's ALREADY know that there was nothing wrong with what WRight said, even the most 'extreme" stuff like God damn America(which he did say, not sure what speech but I've seen the footage), is something that most of us understand the sentiment behind. It's white people who aren't going to HEAR it that way, because their experience by and large won't allow them to HEAR it that way.

This is partially what I've been trying to explain in this thread all along. Black folks keep thinking that the majority of whites can be REASONED with or that their responses to us are logical they are not. They are visceral, they have nothing to do with logic, reason or what is or isn't TRUE. It doesn't matter how genteely you say what needs to be said, they don't want to hear it,(not for real for real). Even MLK, as genteel and non abrasive as he was, when he crossed the line and started telling this country about Vietnam and how wrong it was, caught HELL. That's what I meant earlier in the thread when I talked about how white folks couldn't abide anybody Black that isn't going to be a Tom to some degree. That's why they can view certain people as belligerent/dangerous/race baiters like Jackson/Sharpton, and we're like HUH, we'll be totally viewing them as moderate or safe??? Well, some of us do buy into their mischaracterization and start tap dancing and spitting watermelon seeds, throwing the persons in question under the bus,but many of us don't,thankfully.

The minute that Black person that whites had adjudicated as "safe" doesn't dance to that tune(in their estimation), it's a wrap. So whether you play it King's way, or Malcolm's way or somewhere else in between , like Jackson, Sharpton or WRight, there is only so much TRUTH telling, these mofos want to hear from our Black asses,lol. That's why I refuse to play the "jump through this hoop" game, they perpetually have Negroes playing. That's why you have to take a stand at some point, and let the chips fall. Compromise is cool, to a point, but sometimes people fool you into thinking they just want to compromise, when what they really want is for YOU to compromise, or more likely what they want you to do is surrender.

Very true.I must 100% .

jett Black · (#707 (**permalink**))

Unfortunately, very few reporters are ALLOWED or can be bothered to break shit down like Anderson Cooper,Anderson is practically LUNATIC FRINGE status compared to the rest of the American media.

I do remember his coverage of Katrina and as far as journalists go,I do have a modicum of respect for his viewpoints.

abdurratln · (#708 (**permalink**))

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=Mr. Equanimity;1466771]Anderson Cooper 360: Blog Archive - The full story behind Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s 9/11 sermon « - Blogs from CNN.com

As this whole sordid episode regarding the sermons of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright has played out over the last week, I wanted to understand what he ACTUALLY said in this speech. I’ve been saying all week on CNN that context is important, and I just wanted to know what the heck is going on.

The above statement is followed by some details regarding Rev. Wrigts sermons. Thanks for helping to bring this discussion back to a civilized level.

A couple of days ago, I posted in my thread called "A Black Theology of Liberation" an open letter from Rev. Wright. I posted it under this title because we have been having an ongoing discussion on this subject even before the uproar was orchestrated against Brother Barack. Basically, I have thought that Brother Barack was about Black Theology and the Theology of Liberation from the very beginning without ever seeing any concrete evidence to that effect. This is why I never understood all the lies alleging that he was "not black enough" and other such non-sense. This is particularly troublesome when coming from people of questionable motives such as those who advocate USA attacks against Africa's largest country, Sudan.

For your convenience, I repost the following here from "A Black Theology of Liberation":

March 11, 2007

Jodi Kantor
The New York Times
9 West 43rd Street
New York,
New York 10036-3959

Dear Jodi:

Thank you for engaging in one of the biggest misrepresentations of the truth I have ever seen in sixty-five years. You sat and shared with me for two hours. You told me you were doing a "Spiritual Biography" of Senator Barack Obama. For two hours, I shared with you how I thought he was the most principled individual in public service that I have ever met.

For two hours, I talked with you about how idealistic he was. For two hours I shared with you what a genuine human being he was. I told you how incredible he was as a man who was an African American in public service, and as a man who refused to announce his candidacy for President until Carol Moseley Braun indicated one way or the other whether or not she was going to run.

I told you what a dreamer he was. I told you how idealistic he was. We talked about how refreshing it would be for someone who knew about Islam to be in the Oval Office. Your own question to me was, Didn't I think it would be incredible to have somebody in the Oval Office who not only knew about Muslims, but had living and breathing Muslims in his own family? I told you how important it would be to have a man who not only knew the difference between Shiites and Sunnis prior to 9/11/01 in the Oval Office, but also how important it would be to have a man who knew what Sufism was; a man who understood that there were different branches of Judaism; a man who knew the difference between Hasidic Jews, Orthodox Jews, Conservative Jews and Reformed Jews; and a man who was a devout Christian, but who did not prejudge others because they believed something other than what he believed.

I talked about how rare it was to meet a man whose Christianity was not just "in word only." I talked about Barack being a person who lived his faith and did not argue his faith. I talked about Barack as a person who did not draw doctrinal lines in the sand nor consign other people to hell if they did not believe what he believed.

Out of a two-hour conversation with you about Barack's spiritual journey and my protesting to you that I had not shaped him nor formed him, that I had not mentored him or made him the man he was, even though I would love to take that credit, you did not print any of that. When I told you, using one of your own Jewish stories from the Hebrew Bible as to how God asked Moses, "What is that in your hand?," that Barack was like that when I met him. Barack had it "in his hand." Barack had in his grasp a uniqueness in terms of his spiritual development that one is hard put to find in the 21st century, and you did not print that.

As I was just starting to say a moment ago, Jodi, out of two hours of conversation I spent approximately five to seven minutes on Barack's taking advice from one of his trusted campaign people and deeming it unwise to make me the media spotlight on the day of his announcing his candidacy for the Presidency and what do you print? You and your editor proceeded to present to the general public a snippet, a printed "sound byte" and a titillating and tantalizing article about his disinviting me to the Invocation on the day of his announcing his candidacy.

I have never been exposed to that kind of duplicitous behavior before, and I want to write you publicly to let you know that I do not approve of it and will not be party to any further smearing of the name, the reputation, the integrity or the character of perhaps this nation's first (and maybe even only) honest candidate offering himself for public service as the person to occupy the Oval Office.

Your editor is a sensationalist. For you to even mention that makes me doubt your credibility, and I am looking forward to see how you are goin g to butcher what else I had to say concerning Senator Obama's "Spiritual Biography." Our Conference Minister, the Reverend Jane Fisler Hoffman, a white woman who belongs to a Black church that Hannity of "Hannity and Colmes" is trying to trash, set the record straight for you in terms of who I am and in terms of who we are as the church to which Barack has belonged for over twenty years.

The president of our denomination, the Reverend John Thomas, has offered to try to help you clarify in your confused head what Trinity Church is even though you spent the entire weekend with us setting me up to interview me for what turned out to be a smear of the Senator; and yet The New York Times continues to roll on making the truth what it wants to be the truth. I do not remember reading in your article that Barack had apologized for listening to that bad information and bad advice. Did I miss it? Or did your editor cut it out? Either way, you do not have to worry about hearing anything else from me for you to edit or "spin" because you are more interested in journalism than in truth.

Forgive me for having a momentary lapse. I forgot that The New York Times was leading the bandwagon in trumpeting why it is we should have gone into an illegal war. The New York Times became George Bush and the Republican Party's national "blog." The New York Times played a role in the outing of Valerie Plame. I do not know why I thought The New York Times had actually repented and was going to exhibit a different kind of behavior.

Maybe it was my faith in the Jewish Holy Day of Roshashana. Maybe it was my being caught up in the euphoria of the Season of Lent; but whatever it is or was, I was sadly mistaken. There is no repentance on the part of The New York Times. There is no integrity when it comes to The Times. You should do well with that paper, Jodi. You looked me straight in my face and told me a lie!

Sincerely and respectfully yours,

Reverend Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. ,
Senior Pastor
Trinity United Church of Christ

Barack Oblogger: Letter from Rev. Wright to the New York Times

A Black Theology of Liberation

franknan · (#709 (**permalink**))

hello there¡¡

hope all of you are al right and fine. i am in the other side of the world, is the first time i post a comentary, and which is the first one, i want to dedicate all of you these message:

god bless all You for trying to make this world a little better ,why we destroy ourselfs,and we destroy our planet, why? we have that sensation?

hope to see you guys frecuently on these BN Village:

sincerely:

franknan

jett Black · (#710 (**permalink**))

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Originally Posted by franknan