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13-06-08, 09:33 PM
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With all due respect, I think all this talk of Black folks expecting too much from a Black president and not understanding that he has to be President of everybody is BALDERDASH. It’s very condescending and insulting to boot, imo.
Obama just had to get rid of his VP vetter Jim Johnson because of his affiliation the company most associated with the sub prime mortgage fiasco. Why did Obama have to do that? Well, because he has railed against Lobbyists and how they run Washington. He plans to “clean things up”, so to avoid looking hypocritical he gave Johnson the heave ho, well Johnson resigned, but I’m sure he didn’t have to twist Obama’s arm in accepting his resignation.
So You mean to tell me that multi BILLION dollar companies pay millions of dollars for LOBBYISTS to advocate on behalf of THEIR interests to politicians and the government,(including the President), but according to the logic being expressed by some here, NEGROES neither NEED anyone to advocate on behalf of their interests, nor have the right to EXPECT results if they do? According to you lot, we shouldn’t even be ASKING, we should just wait to see what crumbs are allocated to us by the gratis of whomever is in office. Even if that person is someone whose Black ass wouldn’t be there were it not for us.
Ya’ll are balling so much and doing so well as a collective that ya’ll don’t need what frigging FORTUNE 500 CORPORATIONS understand that THEY need to effectively get their interests addressed by government. LOL, ya’ll got jokes for days. Ya’ll kill me with this “don’t mind little ol us, we don’t need or expect anything” routine ya’ll insist on regaling everyone with. It is in a nutshell, a manifestation of the low self esteem having just happy to be here, “we realize we are leper like so we’ll just sit over here in the corner and try not remind you of our leper like existence”, mentality that too many of us suffer from. Peep this, NO ELSE IN THE WHOLE FRIGGING COUNTRY THINKS OR OPERATES THIS WAY!!!!!!!!!!! What are ya’ll bucking for? Eagle Scout, Sainthood?LOL.
Washington is made up of SPECIAL INTERESTS. Lobbying is a LEGAL activity. It is the way things work in a representative democracy. People have the right to advocate for what is in THEIR group or constituency’s best interest. Any group that does not do so is a group of FOOLS. Do you think that the oil lobby or the loan company/lender lobby, or the cattle industry, or the Pro Israel lobby, gives a flying phuck or sits around wringing their hands worrying about whether people might think that the President is just President of the Oil companies,(which in Dubya’s case ain’t too far off the mark), or just the President of Jewish People, or President of cattle ranchers????? Do you all even HEAR yourselves?????????????????? Ya’ll are giving me a migraine, true story…….
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G, everything you say makes sense. . .but it only makes sense without context.
If you analyze the history of "Black" people and American politics, we have never been an effective lobby. Barack owes us exactly what every other American politician owes us.
To kick us in our a$$ when we don't do what we are supposed to do.
Look at the Jewish lobby. It is the most powerful lobby in the history of mankind. We must learn to hold these folks accountable, not just before the election by having them come visit, but after the election if they do not make the appropriate changes in policy. We should not be voting Democrat if the Democrats won't deliver on policy.
“If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning.
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13-06-08, 09:38 PM
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Obama will win in a landslide .The G.O.P by and large are sitting out this election cycle.Why? The RNC and the McCain campaign are woefully underfunded at this stage of the election and the rampup efforts are slow.
Also the fa right evangelicals ......hate and I do mean hate McCain and are not hiding their disgust.The only thing halfway keeping them engaged is the possibility of overturning Roe v Wade.
While in a brillant move Obama ,as hea of the partyis shift the DNC from its HQ in DC to merge with his staff in Chicago,to better streamline the organization.
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It is on the verge of being a landslide. But I still think it will be close. The thing is I thought it would be the other way around. McCain would be ahead and on the verge of putting it away.
The divide among the Dems was easy to see. We all expected "White" women to go to McCain in droves. The media even pushed the idea. But it didn't happen in the way everyone expected. He will get some votes. But nowhere near a majority. And this while 50% of women don't even know he is anti-abortion.
Then there is the divide among Republicans. I never knew just how hostile feeling were towards McCain. I knew the his reception as the nominee was lukewarm at best. But there are folks swearing they will never endose him. And are even actively campaigning against him. Many Repubs are conspiring against him and want him to lose in the worst landslide in history.
I never knew the battles he had within his party were so damaging.
“If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning.
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13-06-08, 09:43 PM
one will need a bigger lie to cover the first one
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13-06-08, 11:00 PM
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Who cares about Ghaddafi other than Toloane who is a surrogate of Mr. Ghaddafi. I expect him to show up here praising Ghaddafi like the second coming of Jesus. As far as I am concerned Ghaddafi can go an hang himself. Somehow these Arabs have always behaved like Bill Clinton who thinks he and his wife are "entitled to the votes of Blacks and poor whites working people’s as a right and that such loyalty is transferable by osmosis to Hillary Clinton".
The arabs have always behaved as such and they feel entitled that any African who rises to a position of prominence must cater to Arab needs and policies. One may not agree with Obama's position on Israel but Ghaddafi should be the last to talk. They Arabs felt entitled that Collin Powel should speak for them first and foremost out of some allegiance God knows from where. They expected Condoleeze Rice to speak favoroubly about them and when she didn't they viciously attacked her potraying her as a Pregnant Monkey. Now they expect Obama to pledge some kind of allegiance. The nerves of these people always feeling like they own African/Black People.
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13-06-08, 11:52 PM
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Who cares about Ghaddafi other than Toloane who is a surrogate of Mr. Ghaddafi. I expect him to show up here praising Ghaddafi like the second coming of Jesus. As far as I am concerned Ghaddafi can go an hang himself. Somehow these Arabs have always behaved like Bill Clinton who thinks he and his wife are "entitled to the votes of Blacks and poor whites working people’s as a right and that such loyalty is transferable by osmosis to Hillary Clinton".
The arabs have always behaved as such and they feel entitled that any African who rises to a position of prominence must cater to Arab needs and policies. One may not agree with Obama's position on Israel but Ghaddafi should be the last to talk. They Arabs felt entitled that Collin Powel should speak for them first and foremost out of some allegiance God knows from where. They expected Condoleeze Rice to speak favoroubly about them and when she didn't they viciously attacked her potraying her as a Pregnant Monkey. Now they expect Obama to pledge some kind of allegiance. The nerves of these people always feeling like they own African/Black People.
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i think you got a back-end of a bad deal. first of all Libya is an African country on the African continent. And for you or any other fool to decide that suddenly Libya is less African than Ghana, show us your real intentions. We are all African countries on this Continent. For you to go around divided up Africa like them previous European colonialist is disgusting. shame shame shame...
Ghaddafi has done a lot for Africa, and that man has good ideas, just wish more African leaders would follow his example. Mugabe is close, but he is an unpolished diamond in his duties as president.
"There is No Wealth like Knowledge, No poverty like ignorance." University of Sankore ,Timbuktu.
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14-06-08, 01:49 AM
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i think you got a back-end of a bad deal. first of all Libya is an African country on the African continent. And for you or any other fool to decide that suddenly Libya is less African than Ghana, show us your real intentions. We are all African countries on this Continent. For you to go around divided up Africa like them previous European colonialist is disgusting. shame shame shame...Ghaddafi has done a lot for Africa, and that man has good ideas, just wish more African leaders would follow his example. Mugabe is close, but he is an unpolished diamond in his duties as president.
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African my foot and my fist in your face. Following your stupid logic, I assume it would have been perfectly well to include Apartheid South Africa into the OAU (Organization of African Unity) as one of us. Why would you not embrace the South African Racist Eugene Terblanche and Wouter Basson as one of us? Somehow you all ran around highlighting White Atrocities but turn soft like gays whenever Ghaddafi and the multitude of Arabs are mentioned and held to account. Shame on you and those who participate in covering such atrocities and you are as guilty as those who commit them. Go back and study the History of conflicts in Africa and you will realize that it is your Arabs with your Ghaddafi that Fueled, Financed and encouraged war throughout Africa causing the deaths of millions of Africa. He Ghaddafi is as guilty as those White European Colonizers who raided and rob Africa out of its humanity. Now Sit back and let me school you.
(1)It was your Muamar Ghaddafi that invaded an African Country of Chad with the sole purpose of annexing Chad. He waged a bloody war that let to the death of millions of Chadianssince the 1970s. African my fist in your face. Where were you guys when all these were going on?
(2)It was Muammar Ghaddafi who encouraged, Trained and Financed the war lord Charles Taylor of Liberia. Ghaddafi through Taylor led to the death and sufferings of millions of our brothers and sisters in Liberia f rom 1989 until 2004. Did you object when all these atrocities were going on that was fully funded by Ghaddafi?
(3) It was Charles Taylor who was trained by Ghaddafi who destablize Sierra Leone. Millions of our innocent brothers and sisters were mutilated and their hands cut off, thanks to your Ghaddafi and Charles Taylor.
(4) It was Ghaddafi who trained the Janjaweed who are decimating Darfur today. The Janjaweed were Sudanese remnants of Ghaddafi's "Islamic Army" that inaved Chad. The Janjaweed first emerged in 1988 after Chadian President Hissène Habré, defeated the Libyan army, thereby ending Col. Muammar al-Gaddafi’s territorial designs on Chad. Libya’s Chadian protégé, Acheickh Ibn Omer Saeed, retreated with his partisan forces to Darfur, where they were hosted by Sheikh Musa Hilal, the newly-elevated chief of the Mahamid Rizeigat Arabic speaking African tribes of north Darfur.
(5) It was Ghaddafi who supported various rebellions in Ethiopia.
(6) It was Ghaddafi who trained and funded the Tuaregs to rise up and fight the Malian Government.
(7) It was Ghaddafi who trained and financed the Tuaregs to rise up and fight the African Government of Niger, a strategy to elevate the Arabs of the region to prominence.
Next time, come prepared and bring Muammur Ghaddafi with you so I can put my fist into both of your faces. Look at this people and tell me why must they loose their hands in Sierra Leone, Liberia and Darfur in Sudan? Answer this question Mr Ghaddafi Surrogate?

Why must this lady and her kid suffer in Darfur and why did Ghaddafi Financed the Janjaweed throughout the 1980s until the 1995s?
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14-06-08, 11:03 AM
Rupert Murdoch's Fox News television station has been forced to apologise to Barack Obama after screening a racially tinged caption referring to his wife Michelle as his "baby mama".
Bill Shine, senior vice president of programming at Fox, said that a producer "exercised poor judgment". The statement came as Obama established a website to help counter what he referred to as smears and rumours.
One of his first moves was to defend Michelle by debunking a rumour that there is a video of her speaking from the pulpit of the Trinity church in Chicago in which she allegedly refers to whites as "whitey".
He said she had never spoken at Trinity or used the phrase.
Fox carried an interview this week with a columnist about whether Michelle was being unfairly targeted. During the interview, a caption was flashed up saying: "Outraged liberals: Stop picking on Obama's baby mama". The term is slang for a woman who has a baby with a man who is not her partner.
Fox TV apology for racial slur | World news | The Guardian
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14-06-08, 11:09 AM
What exactly is a terrorist fist jab?
You will have seen it before, even if you don't know what it's called. In fact, everybody seems a little confused regarding the accepted terminology for when two people bump their fists together in the manner of tennis doubles partners who have just scored a crucial point.
Since Barack Obama and his wife knocked knuckles just prior to his victory speech the week before last, the American press have variously described it as a "fist bump", a "pound" or a "dap greeting", while the New York Times opted for the excruciating "close-fisted high-five".
For the terrorism angle, however, we must credit Fox News Channel presenter ED Hill, who introduced an item about Mr and Mrs Obama's affectionate and wholly unremarkable little tap with the words: "A fist bump? A pound? A terrorist fist jab? The gesture everyone seems to interpret differently."
The trouble with Hill's assertion was that she appeared to have coined the term "terrorist fist jab" herself. The only other record of a similar phrase was in the comments section of a blog on the creepy conservative website HumanEvents.com, where some anonymous crank referred to it as "Hezbollah-style fist-jabbing".
The comment was quickly removed from public view and, despite a half-hearted apology, so was Hill: Fox News cancelled her show.
The Wikipedia entry for "dap greeting" briefly and belatedly entertained the contention that the gesture is "also used by underground terrorist cells", but there is no evidence that this is true, and if terrorists do give each other fist pounds it's almost certainly something they picked up from either the NBA or from repeats of the US version of Deal or No Deal, where the pound is the standard greeting and all-purpose good luck sign.
For many, the Fox News gaffe is part of a wider smear campaign against Obama, but this is really about the US media being completely bewildered - and idiotically distracted - by a gesture that is, in America and across the world, familiar and utterly commonplace.
Whatever you call it.
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14-06-08, 12:59 PM
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G, everything you say makes sense. . .but it only makes sense without context.
If you analyze the history of "Black" people and American politics, we have never been an effective lobby. Barack owes us exactly what every other American politician owes us.
To kick us in our a$$ when we don't do what we are supposed to do.
Look at the Jewish lobby. It is the most powerful lobby in the history of mankind. We must learn to hold these folks accountable, not just before the election by having them come visit, but after the election if they do not make the appropriate changes in policy. We should not be voting Democrat if the Democrats won't deliver on policy.
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"Owes us" WHAT, specifically?
Makes WHAT "appropriate changes in policy?"
"Deliver WHAT?"
The "Jewish lobby" has a very specific agenda. They are rarely off-point on their agenda.
What is the African-American agenda?
Here's a small piece of African-History to ponder. In the 60's - 70's, nearly every major African-American activist group had a mulit-point plan. Usually called the "Ten point plan".
Nation of Islam. Black Panthers. Republic of New Africa. Congress of African Peoples. Malcolm X's (El Hajj Malik El-Shabazz) organization.
This was not by accident. The climate was why listen to anyone just because they were angry or had a soapbox. There were angry black people before you (Countee Cullen, Zora Neale Hurston, Mary Church Terrell, Stokely Carmichael, Langston Hughes) and they manifested their anger by what they DID. The question was always "Where are YOU coming from, sister (brother)?" "Why should we pay any attention you?" And even louder. WHAT'S YOUR PROGRAM?
I remember hearing these words at nearly every meeting where someone wanted to shoot off their mouths on yet another "we have been oppressed for 400 years by the white devils tirade". WHAT IS YOUR PROGRAM?
What are the short-term and long-term goals and objectives of our people that you espouse and what are the interim strategies to get them. Whatever they might be. (guerilla war? race war? separation? move to africa? community development? separate schools? political empowerment of the group? political solidarity with others? family development? fight the judicial system and release more black men or protect community/fight crime and possibly imprison more black men?)
Taking a stand on your clearly stated positions enables you to determine what, if anything, you should demand from your mayor, your councilperson, your governor or your president.
Elijah Muhammad once forbade his followers from voting unless one of the core tenets of his organization was a primary issue of one of the candidates. (this position probably changed after his death. I don't know).
Mary McCleod Bethune, Ida B Wells, Mary Church Terrell, Booker T Washington, W.E.B. DuBois and Garvey, were passionate for, or against each other (Garvey was an admirer of Washington's industrial program and came to the States to specifically apprentice under Booker T). The reason for this passion was that their long range 'program' for our people was crystal clear and laid out.
It led some of them to encourage engagement in electoral politics and others to advocate going to Africa. Whatever. The logic for their positions was clearly stated.
In my opinion, the Trojan Horse of the African-American movment has been hip-hop, which has taken the focus off of long-term organizing and placed it on INDIVIDUAL anger which leads people to applaud reactionary INDIVIDUAL outbursts and "in-your-face" posturing rather than a submission to principles that values the limitless potential of our people, our families - our children and elders - and focuses our attention and energy on community and people (nation) BUILDING rather than white people TEARING DOWN.
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15-06-08, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by TheDogon
G, everything you say makes sense. . .but it only makes sense without context.
If you analyze the history of "Black" people and American politics, we have never been an effective lobby. Barack owes us exactly what every other American politician owes us.
To kick us in our a$$ when we don't do what we are supposed to do.
Look at the Jewish lobby. It is the most powerful lobby in the history of mankind. We must learn to hold these folks accountable, not just before the election by having them come visit, but after the election if they do not make the appropriate changes in policy. We should not be voting Democrat if the Democrats won't deliver on policy.
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I agree with u, but one of the reasons we've never been an effective lobby is because we people among us who DON'T EVEN THINK WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO LOBBY FOR ANYTHING. We largely still don't have the group self esteem or the BASIC KNOWLEDGE of how things work in this system.
If we aren't talking about how we dont have any right to expect or ask anything of politicians then we switch to the "we don't have any specific interests anyway" mantra. If ya'll don't have any specific interests or agenda, why the hell have you crawled up Obama's a*ss in unison?LOL It's absurd, of course we have specific interests and agendas, things that affect our community more acutely than other communities, that is not to say they effect us EXCLUSIVELY. As the old saying goes, when white folks catch a cold, Black folks get pneumonia.
A. all of us don't have to have the SAME agenda. Take your pick, NONE of us are effective at this sh*t,lol. All white folks don't have the same agenda. You have white groups lobbying for drilling off the Florida coast, you have white groups lobbying NOT to drill off the Florida coast for oil. Some Puerto Ricans are FOR PR becoming a state, SOME are NOT. The fact that all of them are not of the same opinion doesn't stop them from having an agenda and forwarding it, or getting politicians to respond to it. Even politicians who are NOT hispanic. The point is THEY UNDERSTAND THE SYSTEM AND HOW TO WORK IT. I don't particularly care what specific thing we do or don't petiton for.I just care that we GET INTO THE GAME, and have enough sense and self respect t | |