Obama - The Unfolding Story - Page 44

Gmahogany777 · (#1076 (**permalink**))

Ya’ll fools really are gluttons for punishment, apparently……

@Spear, Not only have I NOT been “called out” in any remotely effective way by you or any other members of the peanut gallery, I’ve had my way with all of you for MONTHS now,lol.

Seriously though, since you wanna bring up folks being called out, how about when I called you out when you PURPOSELY tried to misrepresent long time down ass sis, Maxine Water’s record in a desperate attempt to defend Obama at all costs? When it was REALLY Obama’s record that was suspect. You nor, VK, nor any of your assorted bitchified,impotent,(literally and figuratively) day late and dollar short co-signers have been able to do anything with the substance of what I’ve been saying and you know it. That is why you all resort to insults, mischaracterizations, etc.

Regarding Juan Williams, I never said that the AA community didn’t know he was a Tom, I said VK either didn’t know or didn’t CARE that he was a Tom UNTIL he said something negative about Obama. VK was talking as if Juan Williams JUST became a Tom, I was letting him know that dude has BEEN living on Tom time, ever since I can remember,lol, and it has nothing to do with whether he does or doesn’t like Obama. My larger point was that a lot of Kool Aid sippers have taken on this mentality in the midst of their desperation that says that even if someone who has been a Tom since the beginning of time, if they support Obama, they are all of a sudden not a Tom. Conversely, even if someone has NEVER said or done anything Tomesque since the beginning of N*ggerdom, and they don’t support Obama, all of a sudden they MUST be a Tom or a sellout. In short, some of you have your heads so far up Obama’s ass, you can’t think or see straight, or accurately identify those who do not now and never have had Black folks best interest at heart, or you all are willing to give them a pass, both dumb and dangerous business, I say, not to mention lowdown and disloyal……..

BTW, you wouldn’t know that I’m supposedly repeating myself unless your were sitting there faithfully reading my sh*t,lol. So I’m gonna guess that I’m not boring you TOO much, even in my repetitiveness????? It’s ok, I understand, even those who don’t like me, and supposedly swore off reading my posts long ago, can’t refrain from doing so. That’s got to be a pisser,lol.

@VK I haven’t been flogging this issue to death NEARLY to the degree I could have. I largely remained silent when Obama did not go to the King thing(aside from when someone tried to defend it by throwing King under the bus), when I could have run around the Board looking for you, Spear and everyone else who swore up and down that Obama’s not showing up to the SOTBU was just about Tavis and Tavis’ ego and not about dodging and ducking Black folks. You 2 were conspicuously quiet on the matter, so I let it be. I also let it be cause I wasn’t surprised and I was “over it” by then. Any thing that I’ve said since then has been in RESPONSE to some drivel that you or someone else on here has typed about the matter. You mentioned a couple of posts ago about me bringing up the 60’s and 70’s, but you were conveniently amnesiac about the fact that YOU brought up the Black Panthers and threw them under the bus(to defend Obama as is the standard operating procedure of the Kool aid sipping brigade),, as a way of contrasting their methods with the “turn the other cheek” brigade’s methods. You were FACTUALLY wrong, and I corrected you. I was responding to what YOU brought up….

You really need to stop engaging with me about these bitter remarks cause I’m really starting to think that you are having trouble grasping what I’ve said. I never said that Obama claimed racism in this instance. Let me do this again SLOWLY, to do…..so….would….have……undermined….his…..own……..age nda/ambitions…… He was speaking to financial DONORS who were getting skittish about his chances to win. If he had come to them and said, look, working class/blue collar white folks are not voting for me cause I’m a N*gger, it would have been a wrap,lol. Those folks would have been looking to put their money on another horse. So instead, he said, they are bitter and essentially too dumb to know that they have been manipulated and screwed by the Republicans, but I’m the magical Negro and if they get to know me, I can make all of that go away and they’ll love me(arrogant, condescending, and self serving, which is all that I ever CLAIMED it was)…..BTW, I don’t have make up reasons for having a problem with Obama. If you go back and read this thread from the beginning, you’ll see how I was with him up until the SOTBU. I said I was gonna vote for him in the primary when asked in this thread and proceeded to, eventhough I liked Hillary to, and I said so. I said before this campaign started, I wasn’t OBLIGATED to vote for a mutherphugger just cause he’s Black, or because the white media likes him or because low self esteem having, confused Blacks in other places in the world NEED him to be elected so they can get their heads out of their asses,feel good about themselves, marry within their own race, or whatever the hell else,lol.

Ummm Yes, Telling Black men that they need to stop being irresponsible baby making machines and breeders IS indeed CHASTISING them. Yes, it is chastisement when Farrakhan does it, and when Malcolm did it and that’s what they called it. What’s complicated about that?. The only difference is they usually reserved the chastisement for the specific ilk of Negro who NEEDED that, usually in their work with that demographic. ThE NOI always stayed posted up in the jails, on street corners, etc. They talked TO the people that needed to be targeted, not ABOUT them. AGAIN, there is NOTHING wrong with chastisement or constructive criticism when it’s coming from a sincere/concerned place and not rooted in ULTERIOR MOTIVATION.

As the Dogone already said, Obama was addressing a church of Black middle classed folks. The people in that congregation are NOT the people who aren’t taking care of their children and Obama knows that. The type of folks he was talking ABOUT aren’t likely sitting up in an affluent Black church with their families on FATHER’S DAY. Duh. He was talking ABOUT a certain demographic to make points with ANOTHER demographic. What’s so funny about this is ya’ll Negroes are acting like this is toO complex for you to wrap your heads around, but if you look at the way the white liberal media covered it, including folks like Chris Matthews, (who LOVES Obama), they all came at it from the angle of “who is he REALLY talking to”, cause even THEY know that who he was talking ABOUT had nothing to do with who he was talking TO, but ya’ll are over here really straining your brains on this one,lol.

When I have time, I will find the article that I posted either in this thread of the State of Black America thread where OBAMA’S OWN CAMPAIGN PEOPLE SAID THAT THEY PURPOSELY HAD HIM EITHER NOT GOING TO BLACK EVENTS OR KEEPING IT A SECRET WHEN HE DID. That’s not just my opinion; though I didn’t need them to admit it to figure things out, but I’m sure the not so swift among us DID need that, and even at that, some won’t believe it, cause they have to ride this thing out no matter what. Obama could slap their momma at this point, and their reaction would be “he must have had a good reason, my mother can be obnoxious”,lol.

Gmahogany777 · (#1077 (**permalink**))

Pt. 2
Once again, for those who just decided to take a break from their usual vocation and join the festivities, and for those who are just not so bright, I don’t give a phuck about lesser of 2 evils,(it’s still evil no Rasta,lol), even when there REALLY is a difference, and that’s not even the case here. For the umpteenth time, in 92 when there really was a difference between Bill Clinton and Bush #1, I DIDN’T vote for Clinton because his campaign blatantly disrespected Black folks to make points with Blue collar/working class white folks. So……just because the rest of you think that bending over and touching your toes and letting people disrespect you, for some NEBULOUS and probably non existent so called “gain”, a chicken dinner, or common good(bet you ya’ll fools couldn’t quantify what that is and how Obama is going to provide it if your lives depended on it), is acceptable, doesn’t mean that ALL of us feel that way,lol. I didn’t do it for a white politician and I’m not gonna do it for a Black one. Capiche? We get it, some of ya’ll have no dignity or self respect. That’s cool, just don’t try to sell the rest of us on it and don’t try to turn it into something noble, righteous or liberationesque when it’s clearly not that.

Hillary and Obama are IDENTICAL as far as their policy stances, and Hillary is not the nominee so who cares anyway? McCain was asked to be the running mate by liberal darling and Obama cheerleader John Kerry, 4 short years ago, (something else I documented that you geniuses were clueless about til I told ya’ll wannbe experts asses), yet you still got N*ggers hollering about lesser of 2 evils. Newsflash, Obama is not going to do anything different regarding troop withdrawal than McCain would. Check this out geniuses, in 2006 Democrats ran on an anti Bush platform, gassed folks up about how they were gonna come in and get the troops out and shut Bush’s antics down. They won in a landslide. The House and the Senate are MAJORITY Democratic and has been for 2 years. Guess what? Not only did they NOT pull the troops out, THEY HAVE GIVEN BUSH EVERYTHING HE WANTED, INCLUDING Bill of Rights trampling wiretapping legislation and this fool is at a 29% approval rating. They just say that sh*t so ya’ll dumbasses will ELECT them and wait 4 or 8 years after they’ve got their feet up on the desk saying “so what” a la Dick Cheney before you idiots start THINKING about exercising any leverage or accountability. MONTHS ago, in this thread or the State of Black America one I think, I broke down the phenomenon of whites on the city level recognizing that the best way to maintain their power is to run a Black person for the position of mayor by having that person appeal to the majority Black population in the city, while making sure that the person is beholden to them and carries out THEIR agenda, mainly because they have CORRECTLY figured out, that they can get things done with that Black person in the top position that they could NEVER get done with a white person in the position. Why? Blacks will cosign anything the person does cause he's Black and whites will be scared to challenge or come at him too hard for fear of being viewed as racist. I even gave 2 examples one was New Orleans and Ray Nagin, and the other was my parents hometown of Mobile, AL which is about an hour and a half from New Orleans. I’m sure those places are not the only ones. I’m not saying that’s what’s happening here, but the fact that it doesn’t even OCCUR to Negroes, cause them to pump their breaks, or at least not go “whole hog” and lose control of all brain and bodily functions over this, is STUNNING to me, and is a testament to why whites are able to maintain what they are able to maintain when it comes to power and resources and Black folks……not so much…….

Got fools co-signing their own disrespect and throwing their own folks under the bus, for PIXIE DUST. I swear N*ggers need to be kept away from politics for their own good, like children need to be kept away from knives,lol.

Gmahogany777 · (#1078 (**permalink**))

One more thing, it’s interesting that some of you think that because I said I’M not voting for Obama it necessarily means I want him to lose. Again, this reveals a lot more about your own mindset than mine. My decision not to vote for him is not contingent on hoping he loses. When I didn’t vote for Bill Clinton, I was fairly certain that not only were most AA’s were gonna vote for him but that most PEOPLE were gonna vote for him and he’d probably win. I knew that going in. That did not alter my decision about what I was going to do one iota. My only concern that whether he won or not, it wouldn’t be with my assistance. In other words, I refuse to REWARD and COSIGN and VOTE for people who disrespect me. That’s called having principle, for those who are unacquainted with the concept. You don’t go against a principle or standard that you believe in just because “he’s gonna win anyway”,lol. That would make it not a principle? No?????

I said several months ago that it wouldn’t bother me at all if he won cause it would enable ya’ll losers to see that nothing is likely to change policy wise, and MAYBE ya’ll will mature a little politically and learn not to be so easily manipulated in the future, though I doubt it……

Beyond that, with all of the bending over, giving up of self respect, dignity, throwing of people under the bus, acceptance of back alley hooker/back seat status Negroes are doing, he SHOULD win, and HE BETTER WIN. If he doesn’t win and ya’ll have done all that for NAUGHT, you might as well shoot yourselves,lol.

Burning Spear · (#1079 (**permalink**))

There comes a time to move on when dialogue is stagnant.Obama is the nominee and is doing well to move on to the next stage.

Lets move our discussions like-wise.

Vubundada_Kandaba · (#1080 (**permalink**))

To The UK and AMERICAN Contigents who Are Ignorant of how things Work.

This goes out to those who think that Obama's and Bill Cosby's Message is not reaching the "Dead Beat Dads". Some of you act like as if though the Dead Beats are living in another World other than America without TVs, Internet and Newsmagazines and Radios. Many (not all) Dead Beat Dads are working guys and you can find them in factories working in the line, builders, and some are just bums, not working. So to assume that they are all in Mars and out of this World is false. We all know that when the issue of "Dead beat Dads" is being discussed in the community, sooner or later it will reach the Dead Beat Dads. Bill Cosby Angry announcement about “Baby Mamas” and “Baby Daddies” and “Blacks with Poor English” has been heard by many Blacks in the community be they poor or Rich. You all forget to realize that there is something called “Black Talk Radio” where they discuss what Obama and Bill Cosby says. I listen to the “Russ Par Show”, the “Tom Joyner Show” and some other shows and usually the following day after a major event the Radios will have their mini Debates about the issues at hand. And the “Black Talk Radio” are heard by nearly most of the people In the community and if you want to find Baby Mamas and Baby Daddy you can find a lot of them amongst the listeners.

You all forget that Barack Obama has been getting almost 90% of the Black Vote and some of these Voters include "Baby Mamas" and "Dead Beat Dads". They all heard Barack Speak day in and day out and the subject of this Election is debated in the Black Community high and low. You all forgot that some of the people who threw Tavis Smiley under the bus include th "Dead Beat Dads" because thy too are part of the Community. Sp please don't pretend like the "Dead Beats" are only in the ghettoes without access to Talk Radio, TV and word of Mouth. Do not underestimate the power of Modern Technology.

Vubundada_Kandaba · (#1081 (**permalink**))

Lets analyze Gmahogany’s post # 1715 of this day June/23rd 2008 posted at 12.28 AM.

Look at her address to Burning Spear. Read her long post repeating diatribes and ask yourself, what did She Gmahogany really say? What is in this post that is of substance? The first 4 sentences of the first Paragraph said nothing other than that she had her way around here. We move on to the next paragraph which I can summarize because she keep on repeating the same things over and over and making long monotonous posts and this particular paragraph was made of up of 10 sentences and again her she said nothing than a comment about a day late and dollar short and that we resort to mischaracterization. Now we move on to the third paragraph made of 20 sentences. Here she goes back to Juan Williams and how Juan was an Uncle Tom, a fact we all know, but Gmahogany being Gmahogany and stuck on stupid like a cd player that keeps slipping and sticking, she goes on about nothing of substance other than introducing two new words “Tomesque” and “Nigggerdom”. So far nothing has been said. The last Paragraph she acknowledges that she might be repeating her self, because inorder to get treatment the patient must acknowledge that they are a Mental case.

Let’s move on Folks to the rest of the post where she addressed me. Here the first paragraph is made up of 20 sentences and as usual there is very little substance and I will summarize and point out a hypocrite as I have done before. Here she narrates about why I and Spear were absent during the King debate, but she forgot that a week or two before this episode I already made peace with her and told her we should move on, matter a fact I posted an article about two brothers stabbing each other with a knife because one Brother was an Obama Supporter and the other is a Hillary Supporter. I told Gmahogany we should stop before we become like the two brothers. All this was in her post "State Of Black America". But a hypocrite will always be a hypocrite and when you are proven to be a liar and shrewd, you will always try to lie your way out as Gmahogany has been doing.

Then she went on to lie again about me throwing the “Black Panthers Under the bus”. I used the term when I was discussing with Mezmerize and I call the Tactics advocated for as “Militant Black Panther” style of doing things and Obama is trying other methods to get around the objective. You all can go and see for yourself because the post is here " Fidel's response to Obama speech at the Cuban American National Foundation‏" on page 2.

In the second paragraph and I am really bored here by this monotonous diatribe, but finally she is beginning to address her hypocrisy. Here the paragraph consists of 28 sentences and I can summarize. Again like a classic hypocrite she intentionally omits the critical piece of evidence that will make or break the case. Obama did not go the donors meeting and voluntarily stated the Rural Folks were bitter. He was asked by one of the donors and I repeat it here again “was Racism the reason why you/Obama is behind the polls in Pennsylvania trailing Hillary Clinton”. This was the question asked. And Obama responded by saying no, racism in not the reason but I the fact that people in Rural areas have hard the worse of the “Economic Situation” coupled with immigrants coming and competing with them on jobs make them bitter and they cling to their guns and their Religion the only think they can take comfort in. And Obama is actually right here, many people in Rural Communities are bitter. The rest of the paragraph, well you know what is coming form Gmahogany, repeating the same things and old diatribes again, something she has done for the better of 32 pages or more.

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Originally Posted by Gmahogany777

Ummm Yes, Telling Black men that they need to stop being irresponsible baby making machines and breeders IS indeed CHASTISING them. Yes, it is chastisement when Farrakhan does it, and when Malcolm did it and that’s what they called it. What’s complicated about that?. The only difference is they usually reserved the chastisement for the specific ilk of Negro who NEEDED that, usually in their work with that demographic. ThE NOI always stayed posted up in the jails, on street corners, etc. They talked TO the people that needed to be targeted, not ABOUT them. AGAIN, there is NOTHING wrong with chastisement or constructive criticism when it’s coming from a sincere/concerned place and not rooted in ULTERIOR MOTIVATION.

In paragraph 3, it is here that we seem to be getting to the heart of the issue. Gmahogany first says that telling Black Men to be Responsible Dads is Chastisement. I will save this particular Post and I will bring it up when ever I see Gmahogany participate in any post in the Women and Men Sections on threads about the responsibility of Black Men. For her only Malcolm X and Farrakhan did can address this issue but anyone else bringing this issue is disingenuous. She forgot that Barack has risen to a level of being amongst one of the three persons in these Elections and he Obama has achieved something that no Black has achieved this century so he has influence and his message can reach high and low. And let me cut and paste what iposted in the previous post just incase this skips by her. Gmahogany is talking like as if though the Dead Beats are living in another World other than America without TVs, Internet and Newsmagazines. Many Dead Beat Dads are working guys and you can find them in factories working in the line, builders, and some are just bums, not working. So to assume that they are all in Mars and out of this World is false. We all know Dead Beat Dads and when ad issue is being discussed in the community, sooner or later it will reach the Dead Beat Dads.

Bill Cosby Angry announcement about “Baby Mamas” and “Baby Daddies” and “Poor English” has been heard by many Blacks in the community be they poor or Rich. You all forget to realize that there is something called “Black Talk Radio” where they discuss what Obama and Bill Cosby says. I listen to the “Russ Par Show”, the “Tom Joyner Show” and some other shows and usually the following day after a major event the Radios will have their mini Debates about the issue at hand. And the “Black Talk Radio” are heard by nearly most of the people In the community and if you want to find Baby Mamas and Baby Daddy you can find a lot of them amongst the listeners. And most likely some of the people who threw Tavis Smiley under the bus iclude "Dead Beat Dads" and "Baby Mamas".

Vubundada_Kandaba · (#1082 (**permalink**))

Again we have Gmahogany Post # 1,715 which was posted at 11:29 AM on June 23rd 2008. Need I really say anything here? Somebody needs to tell this grown up Woman to apply the Stop button and stop repeating things over and over again. 38 pages in this thread of nothing but the same thing being repeated over and over and over and over. No wonder I refuse to read the first 19 pages or so. This is beginning to be a waste of precious time with this Gmahogany, seriously. Gmahogany, you will do a tonne of good by Volunteering as a "big Sister", or "The Salvation Army" or something for the betterment of the community, really. Maybe mentor young girls with reading or writing, since you like to repeat things over and over again like a broken record, you can read the same stories to different Kids who are eager for mentorship and I am being serious here for once. Do something useful. But then again, you might not have something going on, who knows in which case I perfectly understand. In African Folklore version of the "Bugs Bunny the Hare/ Rabbit which involves the Hare, the Hyena and the Deer" which I was taught growing up, there is term reserved for one of the characters that likes to repeat the same things over and over again and you can take a guess as to which character that is. It is one of the Characters that is resilient, will not give up but will set its eye on an objective and the chase is on for miles and miles and wear out the objective, just wear them out.

Wheeeew!!!!! Sweet Mary Mother of Jesus. Deliver us from Repetition so that we may not Repeatate our posts over and over Again and bore other people to death. Give us this day our daily posts without repitition, so we may not be bored to death. Amen.

Incognito · (#1083 (**permalink**))

LOL - what a lot of gas and a lot of shit to serve for no other purpose than declaring why one isn't going to vote which in their own numbskull IS the lesser of all the other evils. What a ****wit. Dumb nicca talkin here with some ghetto mentally critique as if it's an election between Obama, Malcolm X and Martin Luther King.

Don't vote then simple, there really is no need to waste the effort trying to encourage a million niccas to do the same based on your shared level of so called intelligence which suggests it's a dead end race because no one candidate is ni$$er enough. Low class babymothers, they see a married black woman in a family unit and all hell breaks lose and want to use their low class 'takes one to know one' sellout/uncle Tom ethics to try and denounce effort, sacrifice and standards.

If Obama is not considered the lesser of all other evils, don't vote then which is clearly seen as an even lesser evil than Obama, even though no one (apparently) plays the lesser of other evils game

so don't vote and shut the fcuk up. You don't need to convince ni$$ers, you're all peas in the pod it's stuff you can abuse yourselves on your weed and dildo's til the next closest thing to Malcolm X comes along. Obama is the best opportunity for change. Even if it's never higher than the superficial level many people work at, the image of a black man in the whitehouse will be worth more than a thousand words. His presidency should be judged on his presidential tenure, just being president will be change enough.

If there is one thing I loathe is lazy arse nigz trying to earn stripes of another mans effort. President of America?, these people are looking for a president for ni$$ers - standards, values and culture can be disrespected, it is impossible to disrespect non-standards, non-values, non-culture dare I say a ni$$erism because there is no respect to disrespect, by default low class valueless mentalities do a good job in disrespecting itself. Respect you know, a ni$$er doesn't even know the meaning of the word. Babymothers telling big married politician about disrespct, it's you who have disrespected him you fool.

Obama has a better chance of victory in securing the white vote, it's called cruel to be kind. If it's a worry between winning over whites who suspect he's trying to rally them during election time only to become a ni$$er once elected, and black people who suspect he's going to sell them out once he's elected, then as a black man promoting the black family on his way to the whitehouse I'm more than happy that he's better off spending his time winning over white people to secure the bigger agenda....whatever he believes that bigger agenda to be. He can be judged then.

Incognito · (#1084 (**permalink**))

VK - I hear you on the hypocrite flex, it's like people accusing others of reading their posts while they pretend not to be reading themselves lol. For all the gas people are still basically defending the same thing, their face, might give it another month or two refraining from reading the rhetoric and see if anything has changed

If it is about lesser evils then these people serve no other purpose than to vote for Obama for no other reason than to ensure a woman (who has read a book) doesn't win it.

Obama in the whitehouse is bigger than policy. Get him in, deal with the realities of how he handles the twists and the turns of the dynamics of policy afterwards, I mean, what's the alternative? Don't let self-centred ego driven low calss jiving bullsh!t deny you guys (dare I say we) this opportunity.

I still think he'll lose though, too many people will swap allegiance come crunch time....just look what they did to get Bush into power...this is a perfect platform for the 'real' powers that be to get the republicans in for another run again.

Obama is one 'scandal' or exposure away from losing the race, be interesting to see if a black or a white person brings the news to the table....via Fox news

Something like a secret love affair with Condeleeza Rice with all the sellout espionage conspiracy theories that come with it would be classic - it's like Toyin of Ligali, I think the trappers have worked out Obama is too smart to be snared by Hilary...but gaurantee you this, if it all goes pear shaped, a woman will be in the equation somewhere along the line....indeed she might even come from this very village

but at least she'll probably get to buy a pair of shoes or two out of the deal....or even a gold plated diamond encrusted dildo - i mean in the world of egotistically driven self-gratification, politics doesn't get much bigger than that does it