Obama - The Unfolding Story - Page 38

Burning Spear · (#926 (**permalink**))

This thing will be over Tuesday.

Kunjufu · (#927 (**permalink**))

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This thing will be over Tuesday.

not a hope in hell...Hillary aint letting this go without a fight...... I would not be surprised if she takes this to the supreme courts...

Taysense · (#928 (**permalink**))

The clintons play by their own rules, and as much as she has tried to hurt obama, he still close to mccain in national polls. She got her symbolic victories, the best thing for the obama campaign is for her to get out of the scene and don't even campaign for him in the general elections. He's got the money and enthusiastic people supporting him that he can easily bring clinton supporters to he's side.

The people not voting for him in west virginia and kentucky are those who don't vote democrat anyways, the media is making these so called blue collar southern rednecks more important then they actually are. And if they are willing to vote out of ignorance instead of issues, Obama's shouldn't waste time going after these votes. Blue collar workers in oregon and other states on other hand are people who vote based on issues.

Here's a video from al jazeera( real journalism) that explores the race issue in kentucky.

YouTube - Race a factor in US presidential election - 19 May 08

Kunjufu · (#929 (**permalink**))

I'm watching Fox news and its declaring Obama as the WINNER of the Democratic Nomination..... Effectively He is now the FIRST AFRICAN to lead a EUROPEAN poltical party for the highest office in USA...

Gmahogany777 · (#930 (**permalink**))

The people who vote in the Democratic primaries are JUST the people who vote Democratic. It takes commitment and zealousness to vote in the primaries, at all. Most people of both parties DON’T vote in the primaries.(I mentioned that long ago on this Board). They wait to see who the nominee is, then vote in the general. That’s why one can get a skewed idea of how things are going to go in the General by watching the primaries. It’s usually only the political wonks and nerd types who remotely pay attention to primaries on either side. This year has been an anomaly, because of the historical implications. In the case of the DEM party, the people who vote in their primary are typically the MOST LIBERAL people in the party. Way more liberal than the general population. That’s why they’ve lost the general election for the last 30 years or so, aside from Clinton. They picked nominees that are liked by the more liberal leaning elements in the party, and then are surprised that nominee doesn’t appeal to the general public who tend to be more centrist or conservative.

The Dems haven’t been on a losing streak for thirty years, just because of rednecks or just because of Southeners in KY or WV not voting for them, it’s that dismissive/elitist/deluded attitude that has caused them to lose. They should definitely not listen to your advice, T. All due respect. They have been losing because non redneck and non Southern whites have been voting Republican, TOO(and that's without a Black man on the ticket,lol). If they don’t come to grips with that and WHY that is, they will lose AGAIN…..

BTW, Hillary is much better to have as an ally than as a foe. I think he needs her to signal her people,(particularly older white women) that she’s on board, if not, I believe he will lose. He knows that, and will try to appease her, mark my words. He may lose even if she enthusiastically supports him, because some of them may ignore her wishes and vote McCain anyway(some of them are way pissed), but if she gives any indication of being bitter or not being on board, they will most certainly not vote for him. I wouldn’t underestimate the anger that is present among those circles. He can’t win without that demographic, it’s large and it always shows up to vote, unlike some other demographics who talk a lot of ish, but don’t actually vote.I don't think he should necessarily pick her as vp, but he needs her support, and her supporters support. 17 million votes ain't nothing to sneeze at. Of course some or most of those people will play along and vote for him, but even if 10% or 20% of them don't, it will be a problem for him.

Dada · (#931 (**permalink**))

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Originally Posted by Kunjufu

not a hope in hell...Hillary aint letting this go without a fight...... I would not be surprised if she takes this to the supreme courts...

Which would you prefer ? Plain or Milk Chocolate Hat

Very please with the way it's turning out for B O. Marvellous if it happens in my life time.

However what really caught my interest today was Robert Mugabe's Speech it was on point and telling. Yet not mentioned on the site?

TheDogon · (#932 (**permalink**))

Yep, he is the nominee, just like I said 3 months ago. Now, what? I think the problems in the general election are quite evident. Hillary's campaign really made things divisive within the Democratic party. So now, even if he lets her come aboard, he faces an uphill battle. And I don't think he can make it.

The funny thing is that race will not decide the general election. The ability for people to stay issue-oriented will. But we are the nation of American Idol, Brittany Spears, People's Magazine, the WWE, and Ultimate Fighting.

I don't think America can make it.

TheDogon · (#933 (**permalink**))

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What i find funny and insulting about all of Obama's "radical' associations of WRight, Father Pflegler and the domestic terrorist William Ayers is that all of the kool aid sipping crew keep whining about how Obama can't possibly be expected to "challenge the white establishment" by showing up at a King commemoration which is about is non establishment threatening and mainstream as one can get,(horror or horrors)(eventhough both white candidates did), or attending the SOTBU(eventhough white candidates did), but non of the geniuses in his camp or on his d*ck, thought/think that Wright, Pflegler and Ayers(who bombed the friggin Pentagon among other places back in the day), were/are going to "turn white folks off". Talk about a*s backwards logic.....

G, in Chicago, it is taken as gospel;

Obama knew just how damaging his relationship with his church was going to be. I hope to get a few folk from the church to come to this forum. Perhaps they can explain their views better than I.

Incognito · (#934 (**permalink**))

The Dogon - nice to see you around bro. Watching Obama reminds me of Eddie Murphy when he says rednecks will be going around voting for a black president as a drunken joke only to get the shock of their lives when they sober up to find out he actually won

Would you be suspicious if Obama won but Hilary still made the appointment as his deputy?

I'd be interested to see if he makes it whether he'd be the first to negotiate with so called terrorists.

Burning Spear · (#935 (**permalink**))

Sometimes it amazes me how Blacks or Africans can be so scared.Tonight is an historic event period.

A nation that forty some odd years ago had to pass legislation to give Blacks the right to vote en masse.I thought I'd never see this day.

TheDogon · (#936 (**permalink**))

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The Dogon - nice to see you around bro. Watching Obama reminds me of Eddie Murphy when he says rednecks will be going around voting for a black president as a drunken joke only to get the shock of their lives when they sober up to find out he actually won

Would you be suspicious if Obama won but Hilary still made the appointment as his deputy?

I'd be interested to see if he makes it whether he'd be the first to negotiate with so called terrorists.

Well, I think it is a forgone conclusion. She wants power. And she is going to use her supporters to get it. I never said Obama would win the General. That is too far a stretch.

In fact, I think the Dems are now right on the edge of losing it all.

Hillary is going to fight her way into Barack's administration. She runs the risk of creating a civil war or of alienating Barack's base of support.

Either way, it is going to be ugly.

TheDogon · (#937 (**permalink**))

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Sometimes it amazes me how Blacks or Africans can be so scared.Tonight is an historic event period.

A nation that forty some odd years ago had to pass legislation to give Blacks the right to vote en masse.I thought I'd never see this day.

Agreed.

When I was 9 years-old. . .I was told. . ."that not in my lifetime, or even in the lifetime of my children."

shopaholik · (#938 (**permalink**))

whenever somebody asked me about the election i said 'obama' and people had a barrage of questions for me. i explained that we as blk people need to stop looking at him as our saviour as a 'blk president' and just look at him as 'president' sometimes we are our worst enemy. yes he could get flak if sh*t hits the fan, but then isnt that part of the job? he has/is making history and we should be supporting him, there was a time when blk people couldnt even vote let alone run