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Default Who supplies the guns on our streets? - 12-11-07, 06:06 PM

BBC NEWS | UK | Who supplies the guns on our streets?

Who supplies the guns on our streets?
By Chris Summers
BBC News


Britain has some of the toughest gun laws in the world, and has done a great deal to choke off the supply - but as long as there is a demand for guns there will always be someone willing to find a way to provide them, at a price.

Since a ban on handguns was introduced after Thomas Hamilton murdered 16 children and their teacher at Dunblane in 1996, criminals have found it harder and harder to find guns.
'Guns are rare'

"The suggestion that Britain is awash with guns is simply not true," one senior police officer told the BBC News website.



The vast majority of handguns that were legally held before Dunblane are believed to have been handed in during various amnesties in the past decade.

But, as Detective Chief Inspector John Lyons, of Greater Manchester Police's Armed Crime Unit, says, "where there's a will there's a way".


These guns from (Operation) Carbon are still out there. We're recovering them regularly
Detective Chief Inspector John Lyons


One increasingly popular route is to buy blank-firing guns on the continent and import them before converting them into deadly weapons.

In November last year three men were given long jail sentences after being convicted of smuggling 274 replica guns from Germany, which were converted in a Manchester workshop.

Four men were jailed for up to 18 years after another Greater Manchester Police operation that unearthed a similar racket, importing guns - that had already been converted - from Lithuania.

Poor quality guns

Gavin Hales, a criminologist who has carried out research into gun crime for the Home Office and the Metropolitan Police, said many of the converted guns on Britain's streets were fairly poor quality and not particularly powerful, but they could still be lethal, especially at close range.


EU DIRECTIVE 477
Will reinforce the obligation to mark firearms at the time of manufacture
Will extend the minimum period for keeping information on firearms from five to 10 years
Will incorporate more extensive principles on the deactivation of firearms.
Will make sure appropriate penalties are applied to prohibit the illicit manufacturing of or trafficking in firearms.

MEPs are currently discussing amendments to a European directive which police hope could make a big difference in the fight against gun crime.

The new, updated rules, which replies Directive 477 will introduce a number of extra controls on the sale of guns.

Gisela Kallenbach, the German Green MEP responsible for pushing through the directive, said: "You can never 100% stop people illegally obtaining guns no matter what legislation you have, but with the legislation you can at least make it as difficult as possible."

The directive will mean individuals wanting to buy blank-firing and imitation guns will have to prove their identity to the retailer or manufacturer, who will be under a duty to register that sale in the same way as the sale of a new or used car.

Buyers would have to provide a passport or identification card.

"If you can manage it with cars then why not with guns?" said Ms Kallenbach.

'Loophole'

"It's a loophole we need to close if we are to reduce the number of guns on the streets," says Manchester's Labour MEP Arlene McCarthy, who has been campaigning for changes in the directive.

She added: "What is clear is that these weapons are circulating in Manchester and Liverpool and are being used in drive-by shootings and other incidents."

She said: "We hope to fast track this new directive to get it in place by the end of the year."


Mr Hales said converted guns seemed to be the biggest threat on the streets, although there are other sources.

"Each year hundreds of shotguns are taken in burglaries and there is of course leakage of legally-held guns, for example after the first Gulf War a number of battlefield souvenirs arrived back in this country due to lax controls," he said.

Bought from the internet

The danger of "leakage" of military weapons was highlighted in 2001. Three London drug dealers were jailed after police raided homes in Barnet and recovered a cache of 9mm pistols which had been stolen from an army barracks in Wiltshire.

Last month two soldiers from the Royal Yorkshire Regiment were convicted of smuggling guns from Iraq and trying to sell them at a British Army base.

Another source is the internet.

Last year 28-year-old Amjad Hussain was jailed after a joint operation between HM Revenue & Customs and the American ATF agency.

Several guns which Hussain had bought from US-based websites were found at his flat in Reading, Berkshire.

But imported weapons, mostly emanating from eastern Europe, remain the biggest threat.


In 2003 gangster David King was killed at a gym in Hoddesdon in suburban Hertfordshire with a burst of gunfire from an AK-47 assault rifle. The weapon, which had originally belonged to the Hungarian prison service, had come to the UK via a notorious Belgian arms dealer.

At present there are no official statistics on the origin of firearms used in crimes on the streets of Britain.

Ballistics database

But that should all change soon.

The National Ballistics Intelligence Service (Nabis) is due to go live in April next year. It will provide the first national ballistics database for the police.


Nabis' programme manager, Det Ch Supt Paul James, said it would provide quick-time ballistics analysis for detectives investigating murders and other shootings.

Ballistics tests would be done in less than 48 hours, which would enable officers investigating shootings to make links with other crimes at an earlier stage and give them a better chance of solving cases.

But the project is also designed to improve intelligence on gun crime to allow the police to be more pro-active in tackling the supply of guns.

Det Ch Supt James told the BBC News website: "This is going to be a massive step forward.

'Changing the culture'

"We can change the culture. The harder guns are to get hold of, the better."


SEIZURES IN 2005/6
Handguns and rifles - 314
Shotguns - 50
Gun components - 71
Ammunition - 4,479
Source: HM Revenue & Customs

Revenue & Customs are at the forefront of efforts to stop guns getting into the country.

A spokesman said there was no doubt guns were smuggled in on ferries, but they had achieved several notable intelligence-led successes.

In July two men were jailed for a total of 24 years for trying to smuggle in two Czech assault rifles, which had been broken down into components.

The guns, along with 460 rounds of ammunition, were found during the search of a car at Dover docks.

The Customs spokesman said: "We can't stop every single passenger and we work on where the risks are. The figures suggest the number of guns being smuggled is at a fairly low level compared with drugs."


1 - Blank-firing replica guns imported from other EU countries where they can be legally bought. Converted into lethal weapons
2 - Lethal weapons imported from the Balkans and Eastern Europe. In October 2003 Dave King was murdered in Hoddesdon, Hertfordshire, with an AK-47 originally from Hungary
3 - Military weapons brought back from Iraq and elsewhere. Last month two soldiers were convicted of smuggling guns from Iraq with the intention of selling them
4 - Guns bought on the internet. Last year a man from Reading, Berkshire, was jailed for buying guns from a US website
5 - Legally held shotguns and other weapons are occasionally taken in burglaries and end up in criminal circles.


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Who carries guns and why?
By Chris Summers
BBC News


Simply carrying a gun now carries a mandatory minimum sentence of five years - so who does it and why?

Guns can provide an intoxicating and almost ****ographic attraction to young men who often feel powerless, according to academics in the field.

Last year a team of criminologists from Portsmouth University researched gun crime in a project funded by the Home Office.

They interviewed 80 men in prison who had become involved in gun crime.

'Power'

Asked about what attracted him to guns, Tommy, a London-born crack addict and armed robber, said: "The control, the power you have got when you have got that in your hand."

That power was crudely illustrated at a recent trial at the Old Bailey.


GUN CRIMINALS
Timy (left) and Diamond Babamuboni were convicted of manslaughter at the Old Bailey in December 2006
The trial was shown footage of Timy, 15, tormenting a friend with a gun
They were sentenced as juveniles despite the police's suspicions that they lied about their ages


The jury was shown footage from a mobile phone of a boy pointing a sawn-off shotgun at a terrified former friend who was forced to strip to his underpants as his tormentors laughed.
Timy Babamuboni, who was aged 15, swore on the Bible he was not the boy in the footage, but he was shown to be a liar and was later convicted of the manslaughter of a woman shot dead as she held a baby at a christening party in south London.

Posturing

Gavin Hales, a criminologist who led the Portsmouth University study, said police frequently came across mobile phone footage of young men posturing with guns, which may be real or imitation.

In May this year police swooped on homes in Ellesmere Port, Cheshire, after discovering footage of youths posturing with a weapon. It turned out to be an imitation weapon.

Things have changed a great deal since the 1960s and 1970s, when gun crime was generally restricted to armed robberies, usually by career criminals and often using shotguns.


In the 1980s and 1990s the number of armed robberies fell away as more and more criminals moved into the drugs trade.

Despite the 1997 ban on handguns - introduced after the Dunblane massacre - the crooks increasingly favoured pistols and revolvers, which were easier to hide and more "fashionable".

Some politicians have pointed the finger at Hollywood films, violent computer games and the posturing - often with guns - on hip-hop videos.

Last year Tory leader David Cameron criticised BBC Radio 1 for playing songs which he said "encouraged the carrying of guns and knives".

Average age falling

In the past 15 years there has been a noticeable rise in black-on-black gun crime, which was recognised when the Metropolitan Police launched Operation Trident in response to appeals by the black community.

But despite Mr Cameron's recent "anarchy in the UK" rhetoric, the problem pre-dates the Labour government.

In March and April 1997 - under a Conservative government - there were 10 murders by gun in England alone.


We have noticed for a couple of years now that the ages of people involved in gun crime is reducing and it's something that we have been deeply concerned about
Det Ch Supt Helen Ball

What does seem to have changed in the past decade is the average age of both offenders and victims, which has come down considerably.

The average age of the victims in those 10 murders in the spring of 1997 was 29 and the youngest was aged 19.

Ten years on, if you look at the gun deaths that took place in June and July 2007 the average age of the five victims had fallen to 25 and that falls to 20 if 47-year-old boxer James Oyebola is excluded.


Detective Chief Superintendent Helen Ball, who heads up Operation Trident, recently told BBC Radio Five Live: "We have noticed for a couple of years now that the ages of people involved in gun crime is reducing and it's something that we have been deeply concerned about and until we are able to tackle that trend I am not sure that we will be able to be confident in solving this problem."

She said the proportion of victims who were teenagers had risen from 19% to 31% in the last four years.

She said there were many reasons for young people getting involved, but two significant factors were exclusion from school and copying the offending of older siblings.

Lack of 'self-love'

The Reverend Nims Obunge, the chief executive of the Peace Alliance, said many young people suffered from low self-esteem and this absence of "self-love" was key.

He said: "When young people don't feel a sense of love for themselves, the absence of value for their lives... that is dangerous."


'Postcode territoriality'

Mr Obunge added: "Another big thing is the sense of territoriality - some call it gang culture - which has kicked off in a big way in recent years."


Mr Hales said the emergence of so-called "postcode territoriality" did raise difficult questions.

He said: "Is it a fad? It may be part of youth culture which may disappear very quickly, but it is a worry."

Mr Hales said there was increasing evidence of an "arms race" in some communities, with youths turning from knives to guns and then to even more powerful weapons.

Some youths claim this arms race forces them to carry guns for protection.

But Detective Chief Inspector John Lyons, of Greater Manchester Police's Armed Crime Unit, was dismissive of that argument.


The other day I had a journalist ask me what it was like living in the 'triangle of death'
Erinma Bell

He said: "If you are not swimming in the pool with the sharks, you don't need to behave like a shark.

"You might have a gun for self-defence if you are a drug dealer, but you are just as likely to have it to make sure you get paid."

But Manchester community worker Erinma Bell said there needed to be more emphasis on positive aspects of life in inner city communities such as Moss Side and Longsight and she blamed the media for perpetuating negative images.

"The other day I had a journalist ask me what it was like living in the 'triangle of death'. The media should stop perpetuating these labels," she said.

She said many of the youths in areas plagued by gun crime simply needed to be given real achievable alternatives as well as positive role models.

Lack of opportunity

Ms Bell has set up a work experience programme at construction company Laing O'Rourke and she said this sort of thing could transform the aspirations of young people in areas like Moss Side.

Craze 24, a hip-hop MC from Brixton, south London, agrees there is a lack of positive role models and said: "The local role models are drug dealers, with their big gold chains, their flash cars and their money.

"The young kids too often want to be like them rather than someone who is studying every day for a proper job which might take years. There is too much of a 'get-rich-quick' mentality."

He said the mandatory five-year sentence for carrying a gun was just not enough. "They need to make it 10 years to really scare these kids," he said.

Richard Garside, director of the Centre for Crime and Justice Studies, said the fact young black men were statistically over-represented among gun crime victims should not lead to misleading analysis.

He said: "I don't think anybody is seriously suggesting there is a gun-carrying gene that black people inherit that white people don't. So whatever we are saying about young black men, it's not related to their blackness."

Mr Garside said the high rate of gun crime in black communities was more to do with the fact the victims tended to live in inner city areas with a lack of social and economic opportunity.



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From what I've read recently, most of the guns in this country are from the former Yugoslavia after the civil war that took place there.
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From what I've read recently, most of the guns in this country are from the former Yugoslavia after the civil war that took place there.
Replica weapons 'posing threat'

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More than half the guns recovered in Greater Manchester are replicas converted to fire live bullets, an investigation has revealed.
A special BBC North West Inside Out programme has tracked the guns from where they originate to their use in shooting incidents in the north west.

Many of the guns originate in Germany and Lithuania.

They are often converted in small engineering workshops here in the UK the programme found.

It is illegal to own or import the guns here but they can be bought openly across Europe.

'Purely financial'

The blank firing pistols are used in Europe for self-defence or as starting pistols and since 2003 Greater Manchester Police has recovered 143 converted firearms.

Operation Carbon seized guns that were smuggled into the country after being manufactured in Germany. They were converted in an engineering workshop in Manchester to fire live ammunition.

Operation Greenway uncovered 30 guns complete with silencers, later described in court as "assassin's weapons".

They had been converted in Lithuania before being smuggled into the UK in the boot of a Volvo estate car.
The Deputy Chief Commissioner of the Lithuanian Police Kestutis Tubis told the programme that although it has been illegal to import the guns into his country since January, the incentive is purely financial.

"The criminals are pretty smart here," he said.

"You can buy a gun in Russia for 200 litas (£40) - Lithuania currency- sell it in Lithuania for 400 litas (£80) and sell it in Great Britain for 10,000 litas (£2,000)."

Inside Out is broadcast on BBC One, at 1930 GMT, on Wednesday, 31 October. Viewers outside the North West region can watch the programme on Sky channel 978 or online at BBC - Inside Out - Homepage

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BBC NEWS | England | Manchester | Replica weapons 'posing threat'

Published: 2007/10/31 10:07:45 GMT

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