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24-01-08, 03:35 PM
there is currently a belief that is being propagated in the minds of the African masses ( and that includes the stupid sisters who tried to criticise me when I tried to compare the dangers of male chopping with female chopping a while back) that being circumcised will protect you from the dreaded aids/hiv virus [/size][/color]the reasons are numerous; hearsay, superstitious governments, a naively hopeful alternative to the condom ( thanks again Catholic church!)
but this mass circumcision act could actually increase the rates of aids as thousands of stupid men go out and copulate with women under the false belief that aids cannot affect a circumcised man....
male circumcision should be taken just as seriously as female circumcision
Tanzania to consider mass circumcision to counter HIV/Aids
allAfrica.com: Rwanda: Government Readies for Mass Male Circumcision (Page 1 of 2)
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24-01-08, 04:25 PM
wow i guess most people don't care about africans health ... 
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24-01-08, 05:15 PM
for fhuck sakes this is important 
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24-01-08, 06:21 PM
Mr. Mike Pain,
Okay, I’ll bite . . .
From a different angle, is circumcision a practice that was superimposed upon the African continent by foreigners or does the practice have some cultural origins in Africa. We know that the Egyptians practiced it regularly and I have been led to believe that some African ethnic groups use it as a Rite of Passage (at least that’s what the movie “Roots” led us to believe regarding the Mandinka). I have never read any research about the origins of the practice but, according to Ashra Kwesi (not a person a reference often), it is an old African institution.
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24-01-08, 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Neferkare
Mr. Mike Pain,
Okay, I’ll bite . . .
From a different angle, is circumcision a practice that was superimposed upon the African continent by foreigners or does the practice have some cultural origins in Africa.
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there are a number of Afrcan tribes or people who use it as a rite of passage, then there are those who merely circumcise, without ceremony, and others who do not do it at all. since you are a speculative mind, i dare answer your question with another question: what do you think?
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I have been led to believe that some African ethnic groups use it as a Rite of Passage....
Any thoughts?
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that knowledge is out there in the open. from as far north as Senegal and Gambia, to the horn of Africa, right down to the southern tip, numerous African tribes/peoples use it as a rite of passage (process of socialization). just google that and the answers will come to you, for example...
Share The World’s Resources (STWR) - African Men, Circumcision, HIV/AIDS and Anthropology
every society developed some form of socialization, and the rite of passage where circumcision plays a central role is typically African, not Arab or white Jew who obviously copied it from Africans through a process of enculturation, then added their own twist to it, which in most instances caused stultification. watch them take international ownership of the practice when the roots are evidently African.
it is the same with the music that Africans play, which has become international, and though the kind of instruments and beats that are added along the way, for example hip-hop or blues, may not be African in origin, the music itself, ie. the ingredients that make up the whole, are cobined using a typically African formula, which is actually multi theming. an African beat will have various themes, as many as 10, even more, running through it, and each can stand alone as an independent beat in it's own right, whereas the most developed form of music the west developed, called classical music, usually run on one theme, rarely two, at most three.
it is the same with food. the idea of a carbo and sauce combo is typically African. it has been adopted by many other people, and the ingredients have been changed, but the method at core, the idea of combining carbohydrates with protein and other food stuffs in a stew like mix, is African, wherever you will see it, in whatever form it comes.
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24-01-08, 07:05 PM
no but that’s the problem though isn't it..so many people can't be sure considering that much of the traditions of africa were passed down orally, and most pre-colonial tongues were suppressed in some way how can you be sure...
but your talking about maybes and if's not defiantly and absolutely
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24-01-08, 08:27 PM
@Toloane
Thank you for the info. Very informative.
@mike pain
I think there is enough evidence to comfortably say that the practice is African in origin. After all, isn’t the oldest image of a circumcised penis known to the world that of a circumcised Osirus penis depicted in Egyptian hieroglyphs. Juxtaposition that with Toloane’s supporting evidence and we observe that the Egyptians and Africans share a common practice. Even from a Biblical perspective, the Israelites only practiced it after they left Egypt. The only other group known to practice it in ancient times were the Colchians (sp?) who lived around the Black Sea and are said to be transplanted Africans.
All things considered, the implementation of a full-scale circumcision plan might resonate with Africans because there is commonly held notion that it is, well, kind of African.
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24-01-08, 08:35 PM
wheres your evidence!!!!???...and i dont just mean half remembered images of something that maybe a circumcised penis in a
Hieroglyph, (thousands of miles away from subsaharan africa-)
if you squint your eye's, and look at it backwards, it's not good enough to say 'well because i say so'...where is the proof!!! show me links, sourced evidence etcc..
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24-01-08, 08:44 PM
besides the point of the topic is that circumcisions are being given under the false belief that it can protect you from aids and i will say this again so that no oine is confused
getting circumcised does not nor will it ever protect you from getting aids
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24-01-08, 10:10 PM
My, my, Mr. mike pain, you must watch that blood pressure.
Evidence? Why would anyone here be compelled to provide evidence when you have not offered a shred of information suggesting that the practice is not African. Our knowledge that the Egyptians practiced circumcision is not only known through pictures but through narratives about Osirus and his member. Our understanding of African Rites of Passage are well-documented by scores of anthropologists. The distinction between Saharan and sub-Saharan Africa is a modern non-organic distinction. As far as I can tell, Egypt is and always has been in Africa and, modern day Africans practice some of the same rituals as Egyptians. Lastly, the Egyptians themselves said that they came from the heart of the Motherland. Perhaps this is where they learned to circumcise their men.
Err . . . umh, the presumption regarding the origin of circumcision is already on my side of the argument. It is you who are left without a leg to stand on. In order for you to intelligently move this discussion forward, it would be incumbent upon you to provide some “evidence” that circumcision is a practice alien to Africa. I mean, isn’t this what your original argument is based upon?
Yes, the idea that circumcision prevents the transmission of the AIDS/HIV is absurd but you must try to understand the myth in context. There was some evidence a few years back that circumcision made you less susceptible to contracting HIV/AIDS. I am sure that the modern-day myth has its origins in a twisted interpretation of that conclusion.
The truth is out there . . .
Holla!
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26-01-08, 01:55 AM
mike,
not being insulting or anything, but just check how the following sounds:
white people were the first to domesticate wild animals. in fact, human kind has the white race to thank for those domesticated felines, dogs, "free range" chickens, etc. read the above and admit it just does not sound right, even when i do not give a link or some citation from some lying SOB. the fact is known the very first people to be clever enough to domesticate cats and chickens, dogs and goats are black people, Afrikans to be exact. I, we domesticated pretty much everything. we are Noah's ark in motion, if not for the reality mice, rats and roaches decided to go covert in our Eden, even though they were offered everything, welcomed to bargain and pay for it just like every other creature.
what about the following:
the Chinese origin of African medicine
might not sound as convincing as the preceding, especially since the source of this information, the book and website, that has disapeared from the web, is written by a black man, but then even this truth will become evident the more our people study their medicine, if the fundamentals do not get lost before that time. the actual title of the book is the "African Origin of Chinese Medicine".
what about Greek philosophy and all those characters who wrote more than is humanly possible, at a time when they could be persecuted and hanged for writing the very stuff that makes it possible to think rationally, and delve ever deeper into reality; the very stuff that makes science possible. how was it possible for these individuals to defy human capacities, and still be the odd ones out in their own cultures?
let us face facts here: the world would have been a very different place without Afrikans. this truth is actually writ large in a lot of the physicasl features of Africans, nevermind history. we gave humankind pretty much everything it has today. when you look at cars, microwaves, mobiles, computers, you are looking at the genius, or, as i prefer to call it, the wizardly mind of a black man, a melanated Afrikan (excuse the use of the previous term).
this is very true...
you want citations, links to much more authoritative sources for the information... all you gonna find there iswoody woodpecker.
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26-01-08, 02:06 AM
all those things the Chinese invented and gave to the west, i would not have known they were Chinese if i had not been told, or done the research, come to think of it, if the Chinese had been conquered by the white race then, in the name of imperialism, these truths would have been changed so that today we would believe westerners invented the idea of a helicopter, rocket, gunpowder, medicine, etc. and the Chinese would have been as downtrodden as would make them as dumb as black people are today...
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