Didn’t Axelrod run this same kind of campaign with Gov. Deval Patrick? Barack and him are best friends, both from Chicago, both gave the same type of stomp speeches, hell apparently copying the same damn speeches word for word from each other(video below). So what’s the makeup of Patrick’s cabinet, what’s his standing in the black community in Massachusetts? He’s probably a preview of Barack.



Anyway, speaking on “The State of Black America” (which I missed). I always hear the media specifically tout the names of Harold Ford, Cory Booker, Deval Patrick, Fenety, and Barack as the so-called “new generation” of black politicians. I also happened to see these specific politicians (ex. Ford) in Baracks “posse” when he won in SC. A reporter came up to Booker and he said something to the extent that “there’s a new generation of black politicians who don’t blame race for all our problems”. I laughed because I had already knew that’s what the media has been touting him as and he was playing the part. The Al Sharptons and Jesses of the world have made a lot of enemies and I believe there’s a movement on foot mainly by the media outlets to cast them as radical and anoint this “new generation” as the “spokesmen” for Black America. Whether Obama feels this way its yet to be seen, but I don’t think he’d have Booker around him if he didn’t. These are “safe” black politicians to be around. I guess the question is if we want “safe” politicians.

Are you so sure he "side-stepped" Black support.Hell, Bobby rush and the Sotuh Side of Chicago will dispute that stement.My Chi peeps love him.

I don't think that he side-stepped Black support to win on a local level, or even just when he first started out,(that would have been hard to do anyway in racist ass Chicago about whom King once said, "Whites from Mississippi need to come to Chicago to learn how to hate"......). I'm aware that Bobby Rush has endorsed him. He's one of those Black folks who was conflicted about whether to support Hillary or Obama. He felt loyal to the Clintons because they helped him KEEP his seat, when Obama tried to TAKE his seat, in 2000 or so. In the end, Rush decided to go with Obama. If he had decided to go the other way, N*ggers would have been calling him a sell out and swearing that his Black Panther background was fraudulent,lol.

What model do you think a Black man or woman would use in obtaining the nomination? You know how Negro organizations operate. They are slow to cede power and give lip service in enpowering younger members.Thus the disconnent.Obama saw thru the bs and did a work around and its worked flawlessly.I hope the blowback is nearly a sweeping away of some of that tired Negro leadership that can't seem to think the there are other battles outside of Selma and Montgomery.They were slow to respond to AIDs and completely late to the table in the subprime mess.The electorate caught on and is seriously comtemplating younger leadersip with new ideas.

I want them to follow the model of not throwing people under the bus who their BLack asses would not even be in a position TO throw under the bus, had it not been for those people. I want them to follow the model of not feeling the desire or need to disavow/disrespect/marginalize Black people in their pursuit of wider/whiter support. I want them to follow the model of not feeling they have the LUXURY of taking Black support/loyalty for granted or as a given. If they could manage those things, I'd be satisfied. If they can't manage those things, they are of no use to me and I'll keep on supporting Mr. Charlie for the time being.........


First of all, I don't buy the idea that anyone is stopping young Blacks from being leaders. If you want to lead, LEAD. Some people of our generation and younger expect someone to hand them sh*t on a silver platter, roll out the red carpet for them. There are places in this country, in Black communities where people can run UNCONTESTED for office, cause NOBODY wants the friggin job,lol. Yet you got younger Blacks running around hollering about "nobody wants to LET them lead".

Secondly, I don't have a problem with Obama bypassing certain old guard civil rights organizations. People who don't find what they are looking for in those organizations OUGHT to look elsewhere, or better yet, start their own sh*t. Not whine and b*tch about what this or that organization doesn't do. I DO have a problem with him and his campaign throwing traditional civil rights leadership under the bus and PANDERING to Cracker racism/bias by talking about how much UNLIKE "them n*ggers over there", he is.

Tavis SMiley is by any measure, A SAFE NEGRO, his damn self. THe STate Of the Black Union was not some old guard, traditional civil rights event, a cross section of the AA community get invited to and participate in that event, INCLUDING Black Republicans. The fact that he and his strategists felt that it was too politically risky for him to show up at this most SAFE of Negro mainstream events(and they did, i dont' give a damn how much drivel the espouse to the contrary),, tells me all I need to know. It tells me that the so called progressive whites in his coalition would have a problem with him showing up to ANY Black event, and that they would read him associating with BLack people in ANY context as being evidence that he was not going to be "inclusive" which is racist and absurd on it's face., and the pot calling the kettle Black, at it's finest.

I REITERATE, for those who STILL don't get what I'm saying. There is NO other situation where you would have a virtually UNKNOWN candidate running for the Democratic nomination for national office(Obama) feel it to be politically expedient or wise to BYPASS the STate of the Union event of the biggest, most consistent, and loyal bloc of Democratic voters in the country, ESPECIALLY when the unknown is going to have to compete for votes with a quasi-incumbent who that large voting group DOES know, and have some affinity for(Clinton). In any other situation that would have been viewed as, and would have BEEN political suicide. The ONLY reason he and his strategists felt they could do that was because the people in that voting bloc are BLACK and he is BLACK, and he felt that he would get their votes ANYWAY, eventhough they didn't know him from Adam, and they were right, unfortunately.


If THAT is the blueprint that this so called new model of Black politician must follow to secure white votes, than I say let Crackers keep running the show, because it's apparent that in spite of all of the feel good rhetoric about change and newness, Crackers are still going to be running the show ANYWAY(albeit in a behind the scenes,slightly more subtle/textured way), the Negro in question is nothing more than a front, a middle man, the monkey not the organ grinder,lol.


I dont' think that there has ever been a question among Black folks, with any sense anyway, that white people would not have a problem with having A Black person in this or that position, the concern was always WHAT KIND OF BLACK person, would that be, and what would be their true purpose, who would they be taking their cues from, what would their agenda be, and would they be carrying out an agenda that was compatible with our agenda and our interests, or someone elses' agenda and interests.




That to me is how Obama is changing the game and I welcome that with open arms. [/size][/b][/quote]

The way the game is played has been changed(that's just has to do with adjusting and adapting, which white people are very good at),, but I'm not so sure that the goal or the outcome of the game is any different than it's always been, and that's what concerns me. If the way his campaign has been run as it relates to Black folks,(and they way Black folks have acquiesced to it) is any indication, my guess would be that things will likely be more business as usual

That Corey Booker comment is just what I'm talking about, and why I have a problem with a lot of this so called new school of Black politician. What Black politicians is he referring to that "blamed race for all of our problems"? The two people that the white media and sh*t for brain Negroes love to paint with that brush are Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. I can recount any number of instances off the top of my head where both of those men have taken Black people to task for our individual intra community behaviors, way more often than I ever hear them blaming race or talking about white people. Same with Farrakhan. They just apportion the CORRECT AMOUNT of blame to whites and racism, and don't let them off the hook by SOLELY talking about Black individual responsibility, like Crackers and TOMS would LIKE THEM TO.

The Civil Rights Movement itself, which produced both jACKSON AND sHARPTON, was OVERLY concerned with Black individual responsibility, to a fault imo. To the point where many Blacks almost took on a mindset of if Black folks would just be moral, saintly, polite, mannerable, ad nauseam, enough, Crackers would stop lynching us and making us ride on the back of the bus. To hear one of the BENEFICIARIES of that struggle, regurgitate the Cracker narrative newsreel that he has running in his pea brain, and slander those people, makes me want to get violent. I believe Negroes like that should be lined up against the wall and shot. I have no problem with critiqueing Black "leadership" from back in the day, Lord knows I criticize King, but I make sure the sh*t is rooted in the TRUTH, not rooted in some desire on my part, to slander and misrepresent, or throw folks under the bus, just cause I'm trying to pander to white people.

BTW, I do partially blame King and the Civil rights movement for the kinds of comments that this idiot Booker made, and comments Obama has made about "white guilt has reached it's limit" or something to that effect. That's what happens when you allow your freedom/equality struggle to be put into a context of going hat in hand and begging some people to have a conscience about not treating you as a human. Not only do the people who are oppresing you start to view the sH*t that way, but your OWN descendants, will view your struggle that way, and grow up to make dumb ass comments and throw you under the bus,lol. Mainly because deep down inside, they dont' respect you or the struggle(in the case of some of these ungrateful amnesiastic New fangled Negroes). Nobody respects that doormat, masochistic bullsh*t. They may pity you, feel sorry for you, but they don't RESPECT you, I don't care how much they PRETEND they do. People like Malcolm understood that, instinctively.

That's what Malcolm X was cautioning against. He understood the importance of psychology, and tone, and the importance of controlling the NARRATIVE. You don't allow someone who is abusing you to think that if they stop abusing you they are doing YOU a favor. You need to make sure that they understand(in whatever way that you need to) that they are doing THEMSELVES a friggin favor,lol. It's like this chick on another Board that I post on. I was talking about Obama like I've been doing here. SHe came in and wanted to question me about what I was saying, but she prefaced her question with: "Don't worry I"m not attacking you". Like I was supposed to feel grateful or relieved,or scared,lol. I said, oh, I'm NOt worried,lol Your decision not to 'attack' me is a good one....for YOU. CAuse best believe if you attack me, you will have hell on your hands. Ya'll don't hear me.......she was trying set a certain tone or direct a certain narrative, like she was doing ME a favor by acting like she had some sense and not coming at me crazy. In reality, she was doing HER a favor, Capiche?. I took what she was trying to do and hit her upside the head with it,lol. I'm just kidding. but the point I'm making is a serious one.


Anyway, back to the Fric and Frac crew, They have obviously bought into the White paradigm mindset that says that there can only be 1 or 2 BLack leaders at a time, and that for a new BLack leader or personality to emerge, another one must be thrown under the bus and neutralized. So what you have this type of Negro doing is PANDERING to Cracker biases and preferences by saying: "look boss, I'm not like those OTHER Negroes, so you can stamp your white folks seal of approval on my forehead and let me be the new HNIC,(that's the Head N*gger In CHarge, for our non AA members)". It's the worst kind of treachery imo.

I think some of you people are being too critical of obama, the american system is set up so that he can't do anything special for AA unless their is a political will, everyone has to hover around the centre.

At the end of the day on issues, he's no different then Clinton or any other democrat and pays attention to the african american issues as much as they would because let's face it no matter who gets the democrat nominations, AA's will support hilary or obama 90% because the republican party does not even try to go after the AA vote.

African Americans as a group are not big donors like Aipac and jewish lobby, they have put themselves in a position where their vote is always counted on and taken for granted by the democrats and the republicans aren't interested in changing their positions to attract AA's. Maybe mcain will be different because he's not textbook republican but who knows.

Don't blame Obama for finding a way into the system, blame the democrats and America itself. The whole two party system seems restricting.

Barack Obama can be good AA's, but AA's need to wait until he gets elected to the presidency and then start putting pressure on him if he doesn't deliver. Don't ruin he's campaign right now when it has all the momentum and he looks locked for the Dem nomination.

I was about to ignore this insane non-sense until I got to the end of it.

BTW, I don't give a phuck about a Jewish or a Zionist agenda, and I EQUALLY don't give a phuck about an ARab/Islamic agenda EITHER. Some here want us to exchange one for the other, methinks, and they think that having someone in the White House with the middle name Hussein, will do the trick,lol...........[/size][/color][/quote]

Now, this is something that requires an iteeligent response. Maybe you do not care about Arabs of zionists. Cool. My question is: do you care about Africans? Obviously not. Because Arabs are Africans most of whom currently live in Africa. Egypt, Africa is the largest Arab country. Because Israel sitsa on the front doorsteps of Africa, it constitutes a direct strategic threat to the whole African Continent. This is made worse by their control of nuclear weapons.

Methinks you big problem is a sick hatred of EVERYTHING African, including Brother Barack.

Actually Brother Barack is the best candidate in memory for the presidency. Better than all of the white men, not to mention white women. And, a majority of people recognizes this and respects it.

I hate to say I told you so. Got people telling me that my observation about the violent crimnality and murderous attitudes of the Clinton Machine was "fantasy". Fantasy, indeed!