Er obviously you didn't hear, Eddie Nestor completed his last Sunday Morning talk show, last weekend.. Next weekend they have lesley Joseph et al...in that slot...

Okay, I had no idea. I havn't really paid attentionto his Sunday morning show.

What is Eddie going to do that Geoff hasn't done already? If he's got the 10pm - 2am slot so how "deep" can he go. He cant go the same route Geoff has gone or the 'fat controller' will tell him to revise his output or leave.

There is a role for black broadcasters on London radio but it doesn't mean our issues have to be diluted to include other races. Have you heard Dotun's ad? He specifically says he talks about black issues but includes the white audience.

I've listen to Dotun's show and I would NOT call it a BLACK show...He does have SOME interesting topics, but I would not call it a BLACK show.. However why is it that we have to BALANCE ourselves to include everyone when we're in an uneven world? I don't hear the Asians having to INCLUDE whites in their programming... When i listen to Radio 4, LBC i don't hear them including me unless it is to reinforce their own stereotypes.. Yet we have to INCLUDE whites strange!!!

Because we have no backbone, that's why. All that's about to change however.....

I'll come with some bullet points soon I hope others do the same in the meantime.

Maybe because it is not meant to be a black show. I know I am probably a pessimist but if I want to listen to a black show; I will tune into a black radio station; I would like to support any attempt to challenge the BBC if only to make our point; but I have this arguement all the time with various people: we are asking a white organisation for permission to educate/entertiain/inform ourselves on radio - it is not in their interests so I dont think it will ever happen - particularly when you have mainstream black presenters who are willing to tow the line & at the end of the day, they have a mortgage to pay. All last year, Eddie Nestor was being treated for cancer; he had to take time off work, and I assume, was not getting paid; so his wife had to go find a new job to financially support him whilst he was off sick. (this is my own conclusion from reading his blog). Is is sad that in this day & age we have to set up & finance our own media to reflect what we want. I think the Asians have a different kind of realtionship with the white media....

N.B....

I totally agree with you there, Milissa; I was basically stating a fact that BBC is a white organisation; I never said it was right that they should take our money; as I said, I am willing to support any letter arguing our case - its about time we take some action....

@MGL


Are you implying that Dotun played a role in Schumann being sacked ?

I would be surprised if Dotun would go that far. But then again who knows what happens off-air.

making allegations is really easy, but proving it bloody hard especially without that important thing called evidence!!! i 'm not a fan of Dotun, but please where is the evidence to back up these allegations?

Adebayo fits the current BBC mould for broadcasters much more than Schumann - he wouldn't have survived on Five Live for as long as he has otherwise, and IMO he's a lot better there as a broadcaster than he is on BBC London. Don't know either of them well enough to know whether there's any beef between them, and I don't think they're competing with each other. Think that Henry Bonsu was a bigger loss to the Beeb than Schumann.

Would say that Dotun is a lot less inclined to toe the official line from 'Afrocentric HQ', so that would make him unpopular with some. He has peddled some rubbish in his time; that said, I personally don't see that every 'black' presenter must always and only deal in 'black' programming.

I totally agree - it would be nice if they did; but how many of us work for 'white organisations' in our 9-5 jobs; arn't we expected to 'toe the official line' also? I understand if you are working for the media; you should have some responsibilty to how you represent your community. What is the problem with Dotun anyway? I am not a regular listener, but I do tune in to Radio London sometimes?

This is an excellent point, there appears to be an element of double standards here, whereby all people in the Media are expected to do BLACK issues regardless.. and i think thats a bit unfair and completely unrealistic..

Kunjufu, I find your most recent post interesting; paticularly in relation to your earlier post above, which seems to be implying that black radio presenters should present a totally black show, just like the asians etc??

Not at all..what i am saying is simply this. If we are doing a BLACK show then let it be a BLACK show, not one that then encompasses all cultures.. in my observation of the status quo this does not happen with other cultures when they have THEIR shows.. Good example is that I remember a BLACK comedy show with Eddie Nestor, Leo Muhammed, Roobie Gee et al.. that was supposed to be a BLACK TV comedy show.. yet it regularly had Asians in it... Yet when Goodness Gracious me came out with some of the Asians that we the aforementioned show.. I cannot remember a single BLACK person in that show or the subsequent spin offs.. I can cite the Carnival where we are expected to exclude every god damn person in it.. yet St patricks Day, Eid, and does not have the SAME criteria.. THATS my point!!!

However what i agree with is that when you have BLACK employed by the Media, it is UNFAIR, just as it would be UNFAIR on you or I, if the expectation was that you or I were EXPECTED to only do BLACK work in those jobs.. that is unreasonable... therefore Dotun, Eddie Nestor etc if they are merely employed within a WHITE media cannot be EXPECTED to only do BLACK programming unless that was the remit of their job in the FIRST place..

However i would not have that opinion if a BLACK person was EMPLOYED by a BLACK radio Station, because obviously thats a different context non?

Maybe MGL could enlighten us....my guess would be that he tends to be openly sceptical of people who (in his opinion) overplay the 'black' card when they're on his BBC London show....does not mean that he has the sellout mentality, at least not in my direct experience...

Or maybe it's jealousy because his missus is Carroll Thompson....I can understand that

-----Original Message-----From: dotun adebayo [mailto:dotunadebayo@hotmail.com] Sent: 07 September 2006 00:50To: Penny WroutCc: Geoff Schumann-BBC London RadioSubject: RE: SUNDAY NIGHT SPECIAL Just one thing, Penny, I was dismayed at our colleague Geoff Schumann'dissing' the Sunday Night Special's item on 'Shoot the Messenger' onSunday. After a fantastic response (over fifty calls) to our coverageof the story and interview with the author, it was disheartening to hearGeoff's opening gambit when he came on air at 10.00pm about how if hehad had the item on his programme how differently he would have done it.Frankly this was totally unprofessional and undermining of the station'soutput. All the more sad because we actively encourage listeners to staytuned to him after 10pm and remind them to keep the calls coming in forhis programme, whereas I have not heard him once even thank us for thepreceding programme.I am copying this message to Geoff so that he is of no misapprehensionas to how I feel, but I would appreciate if you spoke to him directlyabout his unhelpful and unconstructive on-air criticism.SincerelyDotun

Ok before World War III breaks out is this real? An external email (hotmail) to two internal BBC employees (no @bbc.co.uk after their names). Is this leaked from some on the inside?

I emailed Adebayo at the said address and he hasn't replied. I wonder why!! Perhaps you should do the same as you seem intent on defending this 'Uncle'. If this email is correct it must go into the public domain

I'm not defending him at all. I'm just wondering how a private email between three people suddenly becomes public. And I dont think someone went to the trouble of typing out a copy of the original, so you have a copy of the original and pasted it into this forum.

If Penny replied, do you have a copy of that too?

A good question.......