Don't necessarily have to explore West Africa. I'm quite sure you know that any West Africans are high yella have to have Arabic or white or both in their bloodline somewhere. That's just common sense.

What a load of rubbish!

Don't sugar coat it, we all have to play the game and sell our souls to the devil in the western world in one way or another to get ahead, we all know we have to do what we need to to survive out here but please don't mistake it for being manipulative or act like your fooling them or anybody by doing so. There is such a thing as dignity, and being true to yourself and your culture, something the likes of Tyra know nothing about.

"Don't Hate The Player Hate The Game" - Once your playing THEIR game and not questioning it, or even trying to change it in any way, i.e. its just to get what you want at the time, your ain't manipulating shit! And those of us who are holding it up have every right to hate. Your jumping through hoops, acting the way they want you too and tell us we can't say anything i.e. selling out.

All that talk about, smiling, nodding saying "yes massa", to get your foot in the door and then flippin it on them has never ever worked, because once you get your foot in the door under false pretenses they don't allow you to flip it, as soon as you show your black side your out! All those who still have that mindset are the biggest sell outs of all because they know this, but they will keep getting their fools gold while making promises to themselves that it won't always be like this, 20 years passes, and they are still sell out punks!

That Miss USA is in no way 'militant' whatever that means, or she wouldn't have filled her head with 10lbs of weave just to get some money. Someone mentioned she ran track, like that validated her integrity in some way....She is prob about as deep as a cess pool. We can all judge and be judged, if you care about your culture and don't want your own peope to judge you negatively where that is concerned, you don't put yourself in that position, if you do not care, because of what forgetting about where you come from can get you, you have sold your soul to the devil, accept it.

I hear what you are saying, and I certainly agree with you. There is no "African look". At the same time, you won't see a single reference to looking African in any post that I've made in this thread. The contention I am putting forward is would she win a "beauty pageant" if it was administered by conscious African people, in all of our diversity, without narrowing the view of beauty on the European standard.

Seriously, I need not any lecture on the nonconformity of the African phenotype. I have spent probably several threads in my early days at BNV to attest to this fact you feel the need to bring up here.

Unfortunately, the ignorance you speak is rather "common"; however, there isn't any sense in it.

Well....I dont personally think she is beautiful, but in Afriki's post, she looks very pretty and her features look somewhat fuller too.

I dont know whether she has had any surgery to change the features she was born with. If the only fake part on her is her weave, I think it unfair to criticise her because of the way she naturally looks.

For every supposed ideal there will be people who fit it naturally and others who are left out, that also goes for the Ki toys and Alek weks of the world too.


Its impossible for one individual to represent the vast physical variety of a whole continent, even though its possible for one person to embody most well known stereotypes.

Erm......I dont know if they just plastered her with makeup to make her look different, or she changed her features, but I found this old pic of her and she looks MIGHTY DIFFERENT.........

http://www.barbizonhouston.com/model.../crystle-4.jpg

Well thats your perspective,thank you for putting me straight.I consider myself well and truly schooled.

I now realise what a disaster my life is because of my sell-out ways.

Will go to a corner and hang my head in shame.Because yet another random African has pontificated about me not being down with cause.

i dont see beauty in one dimensional way

i think miss usa 2008 is pretty.
miss america i think her name was debbie she was black with what many on here would say is a-typical black american features

Well thats just it,African features do run the gamut,and like I said before she is just playing the game.After all there are 100's of Black pageants in the USA that she could have competed in exclusively if she wanted to,but she chose one which is all about the European aesthetic and ideal....and she won.

And all this wailing about is she too this or too that?? the irony is even if she entered Black only pageants,sporting Bantu knots,an Afro wotever,the girl who would most likely win would be the one with the most Euro veneer,so before we starting chatting fart about someone elses back yard,we need to fix up our own.

As people have mentioned it is true that mostly girls that spot long weaves and have finer features tend to win not only European based pageants but African pageants too..you should see the winners from the Miss Nigeria 2007 and 2008...
Look at the pics posted by @chi see Miss USA in all her natural form till she obviously fixed something guess it was worth the investments...have a nose job and its you mixed ain't cha??..please!!...bet both parents are Africans
As someone mentioned all you had to do was put a weave on some light skinned African girl and automatically throws up assumptions that shes mixed with this or that...
Diasporans have been fed enough bullshit that they start to assimilate this pressumptions you know the saying hear a lie over and over again you start to believe its the truth...
Africans come in all shapes and hues and features as a result of migration you have to understand the African continent is huge Nigeria alone unofficially has 120 million people if you don't know Igbos-Yorubas-Hausas have distinctive features and thats just in one country...
Now on to some of the stuff that some mentioned regarding Africans with finer features...The thin lips is the only probable feature some Africans have in common with Arabs or Europeans the shape of the nose and eyes is nothing like those of Arab or European descent...its not as long and crooked ...tends to be much smaller and we tend to have round eyes...its like some here and beyond are actually saying we ain't a looker till we mixed with something...wake up and acknowledge your beauty Africans...Clued up AAs and Caribbeans can testify that a good 70% ain't mixed
Seen Yoruba girls with slanty eyes like chinese and they ain't no mixing going on there...
Miss USA is just another African light skinned girl with weave period!!...good luck to her

Ignore Miss South Africa....that was a farce
Bella Naija: MISS UNIVERSE 2007 - AFRICAN QUEENS

Heres MBGN 2007 and 2008

Bella Naija: MBGN 2007

http://www.babilive.com/forum/showth....html?p=230262

Pictures from Most Beautiful Girl in Nigeria 2008 Contest - The Nigerian Village Square