Lets put a closure on using Pan-Afrianist philosophy, Black Consciousness ideology and Black Power politics paradigms where they do no belong!


Afrikans,

You cannot judge the Democratic Party, Republic Party and USA white nationalist politics and the whole professional political and religious mainstream United States and even post apartheid South Africaand post colonial Zimbabwe on anything that evokes CLASS analysis of the vintage of George Jackson, Hughey P. Newton, Kwame Ture, Walter Rodney, Bantu Biko, Thomas Sankara and Samora Machel, its unfair.

What we have todo is to look at the premise why many of us in our mid and late fifties they were part of that section of allowed the reactionary forces within the Civil Rights and Anti-Apartheid Movement allow the national and global liquidation of the NATIONAL LIBERATION GENDA and be part of an armophous FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY MOVEMENT that was baptised in Zimbabwe between 1980-1983 and 1984 gave birth to the United Democratiic Front as a front for ANC liberalal democrats of the now discredited "Freedom Charter" infamy that they are afraid to talk about as a government in power!

ZANU-PF used the this period to swallow ANC and SWAPO triplet in a one party state and then emasculated the peasants and labor movement on the left by 1986 and became part of the International Monetary Fund and World Bank economic structural adjustments that undermined the commercial peasant base output that outperformed white agribusiness instead opted for CASH CROPS-tobacco for US companies to sell to China's American owned or financial invseted companies.

When ZABU-PF- non Mugabe as an individual because I do not believe in this non-sense of "GREAT MEN or WOMEN of history, we people create conditions to produce greatnes and a CLASS of mercenaries always betray us, nont ONE MAN or INDIVIDUAL- had applied for and received bourgeois empowering loans credits and loans from IMF/World Bank begining in 1983, the United Kingdom and United States reneged from Lancaster agreements by 1990 and ZANU-PF did not revoke the constution and officially that " our land will returned to us on our terms not ar PREVAILING MARKET value of 100 years later, unless Britain and US are prepared a) to pay reparations for land taken under John Cecil Rhodes;
b) We want interests at 1910 or so marke value and compound interests at current US dollar terms of 1910 or something close;
c) Pay damages for apartheid supported destabilization of 1980-1983 and cacell all onerous debts since 1965 up 1980!

Also then a more intensive reparation agenda for AZANIA has been on the table by 1990 but the Conference on Democratic Empowerment in South Africa (CODESA) and the Truth and Reconciliation Commission liquidated African National Liberation and Black Socialist Empowerment.

So know in that context you see as a Senator, Barack Obama, is like any neo-liberal economic and neo-conservative military leader in Africa today!

I was in Southern Africa 1979-87 in political exile and by 1983 I saw and fought the "Americanization" of the political economy of Zmbabwe to follow that of Botswana and by 1987 neo-black nationalist and neo-black liberation theologist were on the 'Afffirmatic Action Corporate" ideological bandwagon as the progressives like Paul Randall of Trans-Africa Forum took over as allies of ANC and were "thrown under the bus by 1994!

The Senator Barack Obama' candidacy should be use for a CLASS-based political education, ideological training and cultural conscientizatiom as we have done in the 1940's, 1950's, 1960's, 1970's , 1980's, 1990's and the 2000's!
Capitalism at home and imperialism has its own irrational rationality and illogical logic that re-concentrate wealth and recycles poverty, nationally and globally whether, Bush, Mandela, Mugabe or Obama is a President.

As a 56 year old veteran and disabled my ideological perspective gives assurance that factual and on the ground the NEW World Order of IMF.WORLD Bank, World Economic Forum and World TRade Organization is in RETREAT as it turns to REACTIONARY LEADERSHIP and RIGHTWING POLICE and MILITARY NEO-FASCISM and NEO-NAZISM agaisn its own white people but PUBLICLY giving BLACK FACES OF VICTIMHOOD and AGRESSION- in the United Kingdom, France, Germany, Italy the white progressives are under attack, thank you!

Here in the US that are so many laws and the blue collar whites are suffering effects of "ECONOMIC STRUCTURAL ADJUSTMENT PROGRAMS" that have caused genocide in Afrca, Caribbean Latin America and Asia-Pacific.

We are invading and occupying the NorthAmerican-Western European central power where our THIRD WORLD RESOURCES have created wealth and economic security for a GLOBAL WHITE MINORITY!

As they spend more money in arms etc in Latin America and Africa etc our people are moving into Rome and Athens of the21st century and we will have new Queen Dzinga, Hannibal, Spartacus, Shaka etc in multi-ples in 30 years or before inwestern Europe and North America.

Our fathers were part of the Non-Aligned Movement that influenced King and Malcolm, and many, including progressive whites, Barack Obama made indirectly be a lite- and reformist Trojan Horse for the World Social Forum idealism! But they mistook they caculation of Colombia and Brazil imperial and finnacial connections of the Billary Clintons!

Our liberation is not predicated on LEADERSHIP OF ONE INDIVIDUAL, but we can political educate others by sticking facts and not fantasy without cursing at people who are being respected and followed by African people. Educate to ideologically change peoples perception whether they vote for Mandela, Mugabe or Obama!

There is a difference between civic duty as a citizen and a nationalist and a revolutionary socialist of Kamwe Nkrumah's calibre after learning the mistakes tha led his coup!

Civic duty is a practice goround and nationalism is the education field and ssocialist class organizing is the practical ground while you recruit and influence in civic politics through voting, demonstrations, protests and civil disobedience, in nationalist organizing and sinstitutional building class analysis of reactionary self-tendency and self-crticism is good so that we do not end up like Robert Mugabe without anyone collectively criticising party guidance over government of the smae ruling party. The Cuban have done a model that even the USSR failed to do: The PEOPLE are the PARTY and THE PARTY GUIDES THE GOVERNMENT not the government telling the party like in South Africa to shove it.
Cuba is not perfect but if in Zimbabwe, Namibia and South AFrica the party was making the govern accountable to it we end up progressing or imperialism turning Southern Africa into another Haiti!

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Lets put a closure on using Pan-Afrianist philosophy, Black Consciousness ideology and Black Power politics paradigms where they do no belong! - TheBlackList Pub

Although this article highlights some very important issues, they are undermined by a poorly written article...Particularly for those who have little background knowledge on some of the issues raised..

I have to say, I am both, surprised and impressed that the author is African-american!

Noticed. Thought it was still worth posting though, that and it was put up by the moderator/s of the list who've managed to annoy me in the past so theres no love lost there either.

Did you write it?

I've come across the site before and had a look just now(infact been there since I made last post. Not impressed.

What name do you use?

Forget the president, let Cosatu act as mediator

President Thabo Mbeki is right. There is no crisis in Zimbabwe.

Next to hyperinflation, mass starvation, brutalisation of the population, Gukurahundi, 80% unemployment and any number of other plagues Mugabe has visited on the people of Zimbabwe, why would failing to release the presidential election results constitute a crisis?

Indeed it would seem mere footling next to other abominations carried on by Zanu-PF — all the while ignored or in certain instances underpinned by the support being received from South Africa and other members of SADC. The fact that the rape of Zimbabwe has occasioned destabilisation of the entire region and cost this country billions and billions of rands seems to be lost on the government.

The cost of medical treatment, feeding, housing, clothing and otherwise supporting the exiles cannot be measured in millions. On top of that, factor in how many jobs are being taken up by cheaper labour, as well as the enormous increase in crime that the Zimbabweans bring to South Africa. Then round it off by estimating the amount of investment lost by those who look at the instability of Southern Africa, the example of Zimbabwe and the pathetic response of South Africa and other countries in the region to Mugabe and his henchmen.

Over the weekend, SADC had the opportunity to call an end to the farce that was the Zimbabwean election — to demand the result and that Mugabe resign and hand over the reigns to the MDC’s Morgan Tsvangirai. Instead, it elected to call for the results of the presidential election and requested parties to accept the outcome whatever it is.

If Tsvangirai accepts anything short of his presidency, then he gets what he deserves. There can never be a run-off in a country where Mugabe is in power — no international observers, no independent media, war veterans who weren’t even born at the time of the war running rampant, police and military intimidation of voters, and on and on; where the only independent observers are the gutless wonders from this region who declared the parliamentary vote free and fair.

If the MDC achieved a majority under the conditions I described above, then the only person who voted for Mugabe was his cousin from Bulawayo. It must have been the landslide of the century for Bob’s your tyrant to concede defeat. Of course the fact that the ZEC refuses to release the presidential results confirms who controls the ZEC.

A run-off? You must be taking the piss.

Even the fact that Mugabe snubbed the weekend crisis summit — called to solve the problems in his country — did not deter our president from going to see this thug in his own backyard, where the right response to his absence would have been to tell him to start packing because it’s time to sod off.

Instead we are first informed by our president that there is no crisis in Zim, followed by a pathetic call from SADC to release the results. I wouldn’t touch those results with a barge pole, even if I had a barge pole in the first place. The only thing we can accept is that Mugabe is a rogue and we have allowed him to butcher his people for far too long.

Contrast this with Cosatu’s single-minded approach to Zimbabwe.

Where the ruling party has been soft on Zim, its alliance partner has been scathing. It has repeatedly called for proper free and fair elections and slammed the conduct of the Zimbabwean government over and over again — not for them the softly-softly-catchee-butcher approach. This is the way South Africa should have dealt with it as soon as Bob went off the rails.

If this country is to act as mediator in any way, then allow Cosatu, a trade-union federation which has demonstrated its concern at the plight of the Zimbabwean people, to go in there and, duly mandated by its own courage, tell Bob’s your tyrant where to get off.

This will not only retrieve our position in the eyes of the world, achieve the end of the butcher and release billions in aid to Zimbabwe, but also allow South Africa some credit while discharging it of the burden of the exiles.

It’s the least that we can do.

Thought Leader Michael Trapido Zimbabwe: Forget the president, let Cosatu act as mediator

No, I have an interest in politics but don't follow it as much as my interest demands... relate to it from more of a philosophical angle.

TheBlackList is a Pan African email topics group/site that various people from around the world use, its regulated but anyone can send in an article they or someone else has written and start a debate via email about it. Its been getting a bit American recently with Obama and and all that so not much has been happening but I post up a few interesting or midly interesting ones when I can understanding that I might not agree or see a point to them where others might.

Will stop posting them if people keep thinking I've written them or, even worse, that I share the authors opinion, perhaps I'm not making it clear who has but I post them as they're presented.

Lets put a closure on using Pan-Afrianist philosophy, Black Consciousness ideology and Black Power politics paradigms where they do no belong!

dude's alluding to Zimbabwe, and Mugabe, of course, but he doesn't want to sound like this is what he is doing!?

ZANU-PF used the this period to swallow ANC and SWAPO triplet in a one party state and then emasculated the peasants and labor movement on the left by 1986 and became part of the International Monetary Fund and World Bank economic structural adjustments that undermined the commercial peasant base output that outperformed white agribusiness instead opted for CASH CROPS-tobacco for US companies to sell to China's American owned or financial invseted companies.

everybody on the continent was doing all of the above. there are no exceptions, but a few countries resisted the IMF, and they got the Zim treatment... briefly, so that their economies went bezerk, only to so called recover after some consessions, that usually included getting rid of some old guard leadership... proving how ngatively African economies are connected with their old colonizer's economies. funny thing i just realized the idea to change the political landscape in Africa from one party to democratic was western, and then i see what all these prescribed ways have led to... downward economic spiral called GDP growth by African economists because on paper it accounts to some percentage of growth. but how does this relate to growth when compared to the rate industrialised countries are growing in that globalized world economy everybody is so eager to enter?

anojther thing about this article is that this dude (the writer) keeps making absurd comparisons. he is for example comparing Cuba's political culture to Russia with Zim, SA and Namibia as controls... Russia? for crying out loud Tsvangirai is still running around the country causing mayhem, white pampers with some brown patch showing, clearly the kid puppet of various agendas and this guy indirectly compares the inner power structure and accountability to law of Zim to that of Russia.... N!GG4 PUHLEASE...

somebody needs to surreptitiously de-grease this jokker's wheelchair wheels so he gets stuck on his way to see massa. see him sweat it out on the streets. just wondering about why he writes so ungrammatic funny?

this dude knows what he is doing in writing this...

@Tolane

What the author is alluding to is the leadership sellout of the liberation struggle. He as used Zimbabwea and Azania because they are perfet examples and are politically connected (nothing to do with them being neighbours).

As for this...

Your response was...
He didn't keep making comparison. And he is clearly not comparing Cuba's Political culture with Russia and Zimbawe. What he is suggesting is... THE PARTY GUIDES THE GOVERNMENT And I am not understanding what you mean by..."SA and Namibia as controls... Russia? "

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Originally Posted by Tahliba @Tolane

liberation struggles on the continent were almost always betrayed/sold out at the last moment. when the real freedom fighters became too much of a threat to contend with, and the colonizers were fleeing their posts for home safe home, going back to Europe because the "natives were revolting", they would usually find from beneath some rock some person they could use to pre-empt the ultimate conclusion to what is at base was a revolution, whom they would later use to get rid of all those troublesome characters they feared. the tactic of finding such a weak minded character, who was already involved in some form of protest, usually in a civil rights context but was not considered a real threat, is writ large in a number of facts about the past of Africa.

One place where it usually becomes evident that there was a fix is when, just about the time they were going to concede defeat, they quickly and repeatedly placed some persons in detention for civil unrest and then proceeded to over-film/report on the events. this was done in many cases to raise the profile of select persons, above the others who were feared. The colonizers had already worked out that some things were inevitable, for example voting by the masses at the ballot box. they knew that the measure of how free Africans really felt they were would be in whether they could vote or not.

The colonizers had a lot of advantages, one of which is control over the media, that they utilized to the fullest. by giving them more than their fair share of airtime on the Ministry of War, I mean the BBC and such, that never gave airtime to real revolutionaries, then calling in their writers to write volumes on the same individuals, before you know it they had created heroes who were also elect-able leaders, who would later be responsible for compromising the cause by quickly making concessions where non were necessary, even in light of the fact the colonizer was fleeing, they were too committed everywhere and could not put up a real fight. these characters came in and were used to make Africans accept peace at all costs, even though they were kicking ass, and things could just get worse for the colonizer.

that happened in a lot of countries, but not in Kenya with the Mau Mau, and despite all the propaganda out there, this definitely didn't happen in Zim. they tried that ish here too, but the puppets were too obvious. We all know about the Nkomo's and Banana's, etc. The story of Zim, like that of the Congo and Kenya with the fearful Kenyata goes along the lines of the colonizers counting on their power to eventually save the day for them, either by constricting the country economically, as they did Sekou Ture’s Guinea, or by assassination or sponsored coup, as they did Ghana, Nigeria, the Congo, etc.

given these advantages that the colonizers could use to gain leverage on any situation and continue to milk the dispossessed, well, wouldn’t you think Mugabe has quite escaped most of the pitfalls, save the economic one, considering his country's economy developed within the belly of the beast. We Africans MUST NEVER FORGET that at any given moment in time, a man in a difficult situation has a number of choices available to them.

The time has finally come for us Africans to be talking extrication, that’s what time it is, and those who do not realize the fact we have the power to turn our wheels, finally, are the people who are stepping in as those fake freedom fighters who forced Africa to squander an opportunity, who compromised the revolutionary struggle, who conceded when it was not necessary.

by comparing the inner workings of the Russian political culture with that of Cuba, he is indirectly making a comparison with Zimbabwe and SA. what he is really doing is making innuendos.

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yesterday i had a brief encounter with the military types always following me around, especially into enclosed rooms that i frequent, the dark recesses where few can see/observe/witness nor expect weird things to be going on. I try to avoid these places, but often I cannot.

well, after some character had introduced his military credentials, they started talking about zim. they were at pains to talk about zim they wanted me to hear what they had to say, and it was some macho ish about how lots of people were asking "them" why they do not do something about zim, and these guys start talking about France's involvement in its colonies, blaming the fact they cannot do the same in the case of zim and other places because of England's over commitment in Afghan and Iraq. They thought a lot of wrong decisions had been made.

these two pricks went on and on, talking about stuff like people who dare to have their own opinions when they are on welfare (the government makes taxpayer's money or some ish like that), and how some people thought they were rejects when in fact they had been accepted because the government paid them money (? does the gov make the law? are they not the ones abusing my tax money).

that ish works on the ignant, but then you have to wonder at the kind of things I keep hearing on the streets from pricks who have no courage to say these things when others are there.

let me clarify a few things so i do not get asked some kinds of questions...

the reason i add the part about overhearing a conversation that was meant for me anyway is to show how a lot of our people are kept from the truth of how some people really feel about their humanity expressed in how they do not care whether they are dying or suffering, as long as they can be milked. some Africans, like me for example, happen to be the ones who are getting these people itching all over, wanting to get some steam off, and they find me, the guy who wrote a lot of stuff that they didn't like, and use be as the bark to rub their inching hides off of, as the venting post for how they really feel about Africans, and believe me I hear stuff that would make some people get paranoid like i am.

allowing them to condition me against whites is making them win, I know, but you have to wonder at how many people can sustain a level head given the numbers of these freaks who pop up out of nowhere doing that psychotic racial personality thing on you, as Dr. Wright aptly put it.

anyway, the two guys in question talked in a manner that would have made any African listening throw a rock at them. it was complete dehumanization, about their machismo. the stuff about France and other western powers with militaries in the third world was thrown around like it was competition between white countries, like if England does not step up and get its act together the French will develop faster.

i could have thrown a rock at the sorry characters, probably ended up shoving a big one up both, but then this is precisely what they wanted in the situation. where i am concerned it is baiting all the way. i betcha some unit was parked not very far from the location, with designate police cell surrounded with microwaves free at a nearby location. that kind of stuff is no conspiracy theory. happens a lot of times that brothers get set up like this. i remember once they got some overgrown east European retards to attack, watched them all get KO'd, later checked whether they had cuts, then punished the guy who got attacked in the first place... severely.