Hmmm...so they still have white racists running whites only holiday resorts and treating them like dirt in their own country but they are killing fellow Africans from Zim, Mozambique and Somali's for being immigrants...


South African mobs hunt down immigrants | World news | guardian.co.uk

I shall see if i can also get a black newspaper perspective as maybe the white press are trying to make out SA is the next Zimbabwe. you never know.

@Rockette. Yes its so strange. Why does this happen? I recall reading a thread on here a lon gtime ago about Aborignies killing Sudanese people in Australia for being immigrants when they themselves are treated like dirt by whites who actually stole their country? Do many of us secretly believe that they white man is superior and is suppposed to be on top so we leave them there, let them take nuff liberties and fight with eachother for the scraps at the bottom. It beggars belief.

Oh just shut the **** up! Who did the crips and them black American drug dealers target??? So please shut up......talking farts about "they"..who is the "they"?? I didn't know black Americans just appeared on planet earth a few hundreds years ago as your own race....you are sick, in fact, you and those mongels in SA have MORE in common then your ****ed up sight can see.

beggars belief indeed.

where i live Africans are letting Poles get away with things they would not let each other get away with. you get hanged if you, as an African in a majority African neighbourhood, descended to the level Polish people do.

my observations are that Africans are suffering from both the so called Willie Lynch syndrome, i.e. we place ourselves in a low position without any bidding from those who instilled the complex, and the feeling we are not good enough as human beings. we are as a result of the latter more exacting on each other while overly lax with whites. we feel, deep down, even when we consciously "express" opposite emotions, that we are less than they are.

words are cheap, right? but get into situations where there is dynamic interaction between blacks and whites and the complex and self denial plays out, constantly, in actions, and sometimes in words uttered by people not quite on top of what they are really saying.

when you remember how high and mighty we once were, seen in how blacks reacted to the first white presence in Africa, for example thinking they were some kind of monkey, how our ancestors, from the southern tip to southern Nigeria to Zanzibar, coined the term (wa)zungu, we have to accept white imperialism did our heads in, from North America to the Caribbean, from Brazil to Australia. it is this self hate that they instilled in us, that requiring we are ten times better than a white man before we can be accepted for the same role, the constant reminder, through distortion of our history, that we have never amounted to much, the references to our present state as the way we are, and not what we have become, that made "American Africans", for example, take ages before they could look back to Africa and realise they could not love themselves if they didn't love the roots, thanks in large part to their sons and daughters who realized this truth,, for example Malcolm X, but their exhorting has had limited effect. American Africans still kill each other off faster than they are being killed by the white power structure.

we can see from the horrible events in SA that it isn't just AA's who are suffering from this induced mentality. fact of the matter is we are more dangerous to each other with our hate for ourselves than any other race is to us. we are much more vulnerable to outside manipulation too, since we trust each other less than we do outsiders. we trust our own wisdom, our humanity, etc., less. true, it is not every African who is like this, but events playing out in SA, and other places around the globe where Africans are plentiful remind us that a significant portion of our people are afflicted with this, a number critical enough for our direction, social and economic, to be influenced by those whose interests are inimical to our welfare.

this is a fact.

walking around the streets as a conscious African, i know what is up, and, frankly, i am more afraid of coming to harm from Africans than i am from white people.

the battle to free the African from this mental oppression starts when we look closely at what happened to us, understand what happened to us, and start the process of mending our minds, which of necessity entails getting rid of everything, well, almost everything that we have inherited from others, languages, names, cultural habits, norms... you name it.

people do not take those of us preaching like this seriously, but i tell you the only time the African will start having the same attitude towards outsiders as the ancestors had is when we most resemble them culturally. there are no two ways about this...

by so saying, i do not mean we go back to taking them as monkeys, or to taking them as incomplete beings. this would not happen because we know better than our ancestors did. we have much more experience of white people. what will happen once we become complete Africans is that we will have much more appreciation of our worth as human beings, we will operate from our own definitions of what we think we are and what others outside our racial realm are. all of this is automatic. it is like we will have no choice but to become such creatures given, through such cultural changes, we would have forced ourselves out of a mode of being where what others think of us, even though it is not a true reflection of what we really are, comes to represent the truth of what we are. by making our culture completely African, through changes to the lingua-franca we use as mediums of instruction, for example, we will have forced ourselves into dialogue with ourselves, a dialogue that outsiders can only participate in to a limited extent, a dialogue they can influence to an even more limited extent.

You're looking to get yourself banned with comments like that Rockette.

Am surprised at the news, there has to be more to it than whats being reported.

i doubt there is mor eto the news than has been reported. i have met with quite a numbe of people, Angolans, Nigerians, AA's, who say black South Africans are racist towards other nationals, and that they are being left out, left in the dust, in almost everything: housing and such.

what i would say is, knowing SA's the way i do, especially from apartheid years, this one just needed the precipitating event.

@ Rockette. i kind of think black lion is thinking along the lines of instigator?

there's no doubt in my mind that it does, but then Africans have not attacked the sickness at the center as much as Americans, or even Carribeans have. the simple reason for that is we continental Africans believe we do not suffer from the complex of self loathing, of not lovign the root, of feeling we are less than whites, of hating our own image.

yes we do!!! and it is about time we had our own Malcolm X's tackling this problem seriously. we have had the Biko's, Nkrumah's and Lumumba's, but they didn't address our inherited complex. they were concerned with other liberation issues, not emancipation of the mind from mental slavery.

this is very true...

LOL!! Doint know why your bothering with that crazy American. As if intra black violense is a new concept in the USA.

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Personally I think people are looking way too far into it. Way I see it people dont give a stuff about the past/ or colour of skin when it comes to sharing meagre resources. Did not Diop say bring the immigrant level to around 8% in any country and you will have strife. Why must Africa be a continent unique among others? As far as Im concerned whether Europe/ Asia or the Americas once economic refugeess start flooding a neighboring country there is a good chance of fighting if not managed properly. Thats life.

This is sad to hear, rather then going off on some “continental Africans” and “colonial/mental slavery self hate bender, why don’t we examine the social economic reasons behind these unfortunate incidents. South Africa is NOT free the same people that run the economy and held the land during apartheid are still holding the aces in the pack. They have been joined by a “black elite” but the majority of black South Africans are still living in the same conditions of the apartheid era. What is required in both South Africa and Zimbabwe is proper land reform. Part of the reason Zimbabweans are in South Africa in such numbers is the land issue back home. The lovers' tiff between Mugabe and the west has a direct impact on this issue - when they wish to make Zimbabwe’s economy “scream” the knock on effect is to make South Africans scream. When reforms after apartheid are slow or non-existent, Throw in rising food prices and cost of living world wide (which has also led to rioting around the world) you’re going to have a very angry populace. The “colonial/mental slavery self hate” scenario as an explanation for me does not wash, how many Countries took in South Africans during the height of apartheid? Got bombed, got invaded? Do these acts prove “safe hate” of Africans? How many refugees do African Countries take from their neighbours? Many more then the western Countries that always complain about asylum seekers take, that’s how many. Before we commence with a psychological examination, let as first deal with the issues in front of our noses.

[quote=Bredder Tukoma;1473591]LOL!! Doint know why your bothering with that crazy American. As if intra black violense is a new concept in the USA.

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I know...i will keep well off her now...i swear she's mental.

It's really sad considering how the rest of Africa(Zimbabwe, Nigeria, Tanzania, Liberia, Anglola, Ghana) helped South Africa gain freedom and gave refugee and allowed South Africans to live unmolested and this is the return they get.

I just heard from a Liberian guy living down there with his SA wife and 3 kids. He says alot of local people have been spoiled by the government and feel they are to be spoon fed.