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Default A black prime minister? - 23-06-08, 07:34 PM

A black prime minister?

If America, with its shameful history of racism, can produce a politician like Barack Obama, why can't the UK?

Lola Adesioye guardian.co.uk, Thursday June 19 2008

Having watched Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama battle for the Democratic nomination, I couldn't help but draw parallels with British politics. As someone who spent the first 10 years of her life, in the 1980s, with Margaret Thatcher as prime minister and leader of the Conservative party - in fact, I used to see Margaret and her husband Dennis every morning on my way to school - a female presidential candidate did not seem so groundbreaking to me. In that regard, the UK is light years ahead of America. However, it's a different story when you consider how well a black person would fare in Britain if running for prime minister. Obama has said that his story could only have happened in America - and he is right. The odds of a black prime minister in Britain anytime soon are slim.

There are various suggestions for why Obama's success is more likely to have happened in America than in the UK. Some say that it's a question of numbers. Since black people make up 13% of the American population, in comparison to only 3% of the UK population (pdf), it seems plausible that an African-American has more chance at achieving Obama-like success than a black Briton. However, numbers alone cannot account for such success. African-Americans are still, like black Britons, statistically under-represented in American politics, although they are more involved than any other minority group. Obama is currently the only African-American in the Senate, and only the third to have been popularly elected since Reconstruction. Similarly since 1868 there have only been 121 African-Americans in Congress. However, African-Americans – Condoleeza Rice and Colin Powell are two prominent examples - have been able to gain far more political power than black Britons, who only make up 0.77% of all MP's and who have not yet cracked some of the higher echelons of the British political system, noticeably the cabinet which has only had three black ministers, Paul Boateng, Baroness Amos and Baroness Scotland.

Some might also say that African-Americans have also been in the US longer and have had more time to entrench themselves in American life. There is some element of truth to this. However, this ignores the fact that African-Americans have only been able to interact "equally" in America for the past 40 years, which is actually shorter than the length of time in which African-Caribbean immigrants have been in England. More significantly, Obama is essentially a first-generation African-American, so that theory does not apply in his case.

How does a country like America, with such a shameful racist history, manage to produce someone like Obama, while the UK – apparently less segregated, more diverse and racially tolerant – seems unable to? The answer lies in the fluidity and social mobility that is available in the US. The UK is still very much a class-based society in which it is hard for people to transcend the social and economic positions into which they were born.

The meritocratic, classless concept of the American Dream, which gives Americans a very strong notion that anything can be achieved through hard work, regardless of racial, social or economic background, is both symbolically and actually powerful. While America certainly has its share of race-related problems, and while there are many African-Americans for whom the dream is still elusive, it has also given rise to some of the world's most powerful, influential and successful black people, such as Oprah Winfrey, Bob Johnson and now Barack Obama.

Sports and entertainment are channels through which black people have been able to excel in the UK. However, in professions of power such as in the media, politics and finance, black Britons lack influence and visibility. The black British middle class – which I define by its ability to make significant social change - is small and is generally made up of people whose parents were already privileged. This is because social mobility is still limited for black Britons (pdf). British research finds that there is still a significant link between a parent's background class and their child's subsequent class, despite the child's educational achievement. Even when ethnic minorities appear to have moved into a higher social class in the UK, this may simply be to compensate for the downward mobility that migrants tend to experience when they first arrive in the UK. It is also possible that people do not feel that they are able to transcend their background in the same way that Americans do.

I also doubt whether, in the UK, a potential black prime minister could ever been seen as anything more than one who represents black issues. Watching the debate over all-black shortlists earlier this year, it is clear that black MPs are still mostly expected to represent black constituencies. This is a type of pigeonholing that Obama has gone to lengths to avoid, casting himself as an "everyman" who is representative of all Americans. I am not so sure – in a country in which, for example, black people are still uneasy calling themselves "English" and in which some English people insist they can't be - that white people in the UK are able to view a black Briton as being a true representative of their nation.

Although there are black Britons who are making inroads in British politics, such as Streatham MP Chuka Umunna and Ray Lewis, deputy mayor for young people, the UK will need to change as a society if there is to ever be a black person with a good shot at becoming prime minister.

Lola Adesioye: Is Britain ready for a black prime minister? | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk


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Default 24-06-08, 01:27 AM

A black prime minister ? are you kidding ? I can,t see it ever happeneing myself.And even if by some twist of fate that there is a black prime minister some where down the line,he'll just be a spineless sell out catering to the whims of whites more than anything else .like the majority of black politicans in the uk now.The usa is different compared to the uk ,different demographics ,different set up.
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Default 24-06-08, 02:27 AM

200 years from now maybe. politics is far from the people nowadays!

but i hope region or councils where blacks are the majority or near majority can produce MP,councillors etc to represent their people


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Talking Usa! Usa! Usa! - 24-06-08, 02:37 AM

America is too big to hold down the black man forever. But Britain is small enough to constrain the black man and restrict his movements. An Obama like politician would never rise up in Britain. Only America can produce a man like Obama. becuase unlike the UK, USA rewards hard work, just think about that before you talk about black prime minister.


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Default 24-06-08, 06:33 AM

Hey not too fast bro, we haven't got past the first black James Bond yet but it was a close thing, guess there's hope and merit in the knowledge that it was even raised as a suggestion.

Paul Ince has just become the first black premiership manager so if we are 10-15 years behind America then maybe we'll have a legitimate candidate for prime minister in ten years time.

But never forget what the real reason why this is more unlikely than likely in the UK, the Royal family, a black (non-white) man can never be seen to be representing that, look what happened to Diana.
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Default 24-06-08, 10:00 PM

I mean I can see a president of African descent in my lifetime. I can't see one in the UK.

You guys don't know how to smile like a native brit (anyone who has been there 4 generations).... until you can master the fake toothy dead eyes smile similar to a shark, none of you will ever be fit to be prime minister LOL

You guys show too much emotion when laughing. Unless there is a hint of constipation, how can you expect to represent the British hierarchy?
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For me, the real AND ONLY, dream is to produce a great, powerful and committed (to African people and THEIR interest) Leader/Prime Minister/ President, call it what you will for AFRICA. One who is capable of breaking the shackles placed on that Continent by the West and Colonialism.

When (and I mean WHEN) that happens, that will be the time of true change for African/Black people......WORLD WIDE!

I don't particularly dream of a Black Prime Minister or Black President for that matter (no disrespect to our cousins in the US and their hopes for Obama) because I don't see that as the ESSENTIAL event that will bring about our salvation.....even if its seen as a symbol for 'black pride'. Our salvation will will not be attained by achieving the ('questionable') honour of seeing a black face at the head of a Western (white dominated) political table.

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Default 25-06-08, 03:33 PM

to the best of my knowledge there has only ever been one non white cabinet minster and that was paul boateng....


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There may be a so called black PM one day, but don't expect him to have an African wife like Obama. They wouldn't even let someone like Trevor Drooplips lead this country. This is England, after all.

Whoever the future 'black' PM will be, he'll just be some whitified, punkified, sissified, homeogenized, boot lickin', butt kissing monkey ass Uncle Tom with a mayonnaise beeyatch on his side.

Don't expect parliament to be draped in red, black and green any time soon is all I'm saying. By the time we get a 'black' messiah in parliament, the devil and his cohorts will be wearing 'ears muffs' (as Oliver Samuels would say) and gloves in hell.



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Prince Hakeem said "..Whoever the future 'black' PM will be, he'll just be some whitified, punkified, sissified, homeogenized, boot lickin', butt kissing monkey ass Uncle Tom with a mayonnaise beeyatch on his side."



Whoa...don't hold back!!! LOL


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... Whoever the future 'black' PM will be, he'll just be some whitified, punkified, sissified, homeogenized, boot lickin', butt kissing monkey ass Uncle Tom with a mayonnaise beeyatch on his side ...


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Default 01-07-08, 01:44 AM

the funniest thing about that lame article is where she says "blacks in america have been there longer, compared to the UK" and " if america with its shamefull history of racism can produce obama, why cant the UK"

such misconceptions expose her ignorance and infact are just plain stupid but thats another idiot who will go home smiling saying she 'wrote for the guardian'.

do your research properly miss lola and stop wasting people's time trying to sound intellectual, or just write a blog.

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