yeah! right... the guy was knighted meaning he is in fact an outright traitor to the race, sold and keeps selling us all out because he is such a coward sitting some place thinking the only way the race could have avoided slavery and colonialism 400 years ago was by becoming uncle toms. (there are people out there who think like this, truthfully).

man oh man. i do not know about people who are treading centre ground where this issue is concerned, all that "I do not support the other guy but I do not support the other guy neither... just that I want there to be change for the sake of change, you know?" Meaouw!

LOL.

I do not know about the others talking that “if your relatives were in Zim” stuff. But then if that was the case a rational being would become more than rational confronted with a situation that demands thought, rather than become an emotional simpleton crying on other people's shoulders unable to take in reason and scream you hate who is not causing it? Your relatives are in Zim and all reason is thrown to the dogs.

brother and sister, you are hearing this from me, a nobody to you, but take it from me that there are more out there like me who realize when real brother and sister become wayward and assist those who want to kill me they become obstackles to my survival they become enemies. they support people who want my (and their) slavery i will (first try to make them see sense [not my sense but the real sense] but if that fails) denounce the tie we share outright because it means death to all. no sentiment involved here, simply reason. i am sorry but when so much is at stake, there is no room for sentiment. Once enslaved and colonized, trashed and rubbished was enough of an experience. the last thing you will do is advocate a state of illogical handling on the precipice to becoming a slave yet again, on account of your relatives being at ground zero. not pointing the finger at who is causing the mayhem in Zimbabwe, and all of that other crazy stuff that is going on, because your mother is the victim of the resulting violence is pure naivety.

Or else we should just say it is an emotional argument by the demagogue at bnvillage.

do not be fooled about the truth of this matter, brothers and sisters. imperialism is a bad thing. it is a horrendous thing. no living group of human beings would say with a strait face that they love imperialism, because everybody knows it is wrong. this is why imperialists are always walking the earth clad in sheets covering their faces so that their true identities are not known. real imperialists will not come out in the open and stand up for what they believe in.

is Mugabe the brute causing the unnecessary suffering and deaths of his people? is he in fact a sell-out? if that is the case then the situation is far more complex than many of us simpletons imagine, in which case the conspiracy is subtle and vast.

but there is a simple litmus test that can be done by anybody who lives in the west. go out there to the pubs, the restaurants, the streets, and proclaim your love and undying support for Mugabe in the context of him being the double agent killing off blacks (not in the context of him relieving whites of land). sing praises to him. applaud him, honour his name.

the test period should last a month, after which, if you come out unscathed, we will know for sure that Mugabe is actually loved by the western supremacist establishment who are in fact using him to kill Africans, otherwise the value of that knighthood and the deceit he perpetrated on Windsor will be revealed in full.

Oh! and also do not for once think that the imperialists racist supremacists are playing a game of get Mugabe while in reality they are egging him on. Follow the logic to arrive at the reality of this situation.

For me Mugabe is simply using his vendetta/revenge against the west to better himself. Admire the stance but don't let your people live in poverty or better still live in poverty with them if your beliefs are that strong.

I like to think Mandela chose his words carefully and diplomatically i.e. a speech prepared weeks in advance as opposed to an off the cuff (although) educated response to a journalists question...

ITN - Mandela breaks silence on Zimbabwe

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Originally Posted by Weyland I'm confused. Is Mugabe a bad man in your eyes?

no, man. i am actually saying the contrary. it's not even as though the message is implied. i state out explicitly that if Mugabe was a traitor, then support for him would not have been a big deal in the eyes of the white power supremacist establishment. there are loads of African leaders doing things to their own people that are beyond despicable. you can support these real tyrant/sociopaths any day in the west without the man coming down on you like a ton of bricks. this is as far as their conniving goes. trick Africans into supporting the wrong person, then support their choice.

it never is more elaborate than that.

what is happening in the case of Mugabe is the same that happened to Sekou Ture, Kwame Nkrumah, and any other positive minded African who dared challenge the status quo. Sekou Ture famously said "it is better for us to eat crumbs as free men rather than steak as slaves", something along those lines against the French. the statistics of his country's decline are the same as those in Zimbabwe, right down to the drop in life expectancy. it seems the man simply regurgitates figures used already in other countries and applies them to different cases without considering some people will catch up on the trick by such obviousness.

to suggest, in light of all we know, that Mugabe is a traitor because he accepted knighthood is to err on a grand scale.

well, yesterday the white supremacists put pressure on the lady at Windsor to officially renounce the knighthood. fits the MO and mentality behind it, doesn't it? who would have believed that the whole knighting thing is viewed as a mere instrument of control, seen in the prolonged overlooking of the fact by those behind the process in one (Mugabe) who actually turned against their order when the badge was supposed to keep him in line. it doesn't mean as much to them neither, as they intend it to symbolize to the beholder.

@Incognito. the issue here is about more than the individual Mugabe, who incidentally is where he is because his party has deliberately chosen to place him there, seeing as he has come to mean so much in the eyes of many. the fall of Zimbabwe's economy cannot in any way be attributed to mismanagement, but to the fact his country is still caught up in colonial inheritances that enable former colonial whatever to wreak havoc on the economy when and if they want. they even explicitly stated they were deliberately going to make the economy collapse, so what more proof of who is behind the suffering of Zimbabweans do you want?

fact of this matter is bootlicking or a55kissing could not have prevented the maafa, nor can it ever change the fate of Africans, if there are any people out there thinking all an African country needs to do is obey the rules and people will not suffer as much. look beneath the surface of things and witness that there are countries in Africa where people are suffering more than Zims, their bootlicking presidents notwithstanding.

this issue requires no debating to prove, man, i am out of here...

what you are failing to comprehend, vubu, is that it does not make any difference whether my own family is in Zim or not. war and its debilitations is not something vaguely familiar to me, and i do not think i would sleep a wink if my family back there were to be engulfed in some strife. anybody with good sense knows this, which is why people who are not prepared to fight flee tell tale signs of war.

my argument is the fact my family is involved or not will and should under normal circumstances not come to bear on how i view the situation. whodunit cannot change in my mind simply because my own family is facing the worst of situations. whodunit to Zimbabweans is not Mugabe, it is the west, and so it shall and should remain no matter whose family is caught on the wrong side of the strife.

to want to look at things differently because your family is there is to want to pretend about reality, is to lie to self, is to hope that by so doing things will get better for your people. do you know what will happen to Zims once Afrikaners and British farmers are reinstated to their former glory? i hope you do.

what i feel, and know, especially since i overstand how these people connect everything, is once they get back they will do the J Edgar Hoover stint on Africans meaning ensuring no one ever comes even as close as shoving them a centimetre out of THEIR property.

your stance regarding this issue is too naive, and frankly if you and i were on the battle field together i cannot be held accountable for what i could do to your dangerous dream filled self, because of this and also because i would not feel safe around you what with my realism.

Mugabe won two elections against the same candidate in the past, and, looking at what happened in the elections this time, we become sure the previous results were not faked. Mugabe got vilified nonetheless, and his country was throttled for lies and white supremacist imperialistic tribal survival agendas. Mugabe would be a fool to give the seat to Tsvanpireranga when he finally wins, wouldn't he? there are too many white supremacists supporting the fat faced dude, and they do not mean well for Africans. in fact, even though Tsvanpireranga does not even believe it, nor does he have the capacity to know, they think he is just another monkey they will use to pulverise Africans to get what they want for the benefit of white racism/supremacy.

this isn't even a case of being stuck between a rock and a hard place... it's rights and justice.

So Mugabe is being chopped down becuase he is standing up to the west? and futher more becuase of his deficiency he is being targeted for removal becuase he is the rebel slave? Come now Zimbabwe is in hyper inflation and the Economy is in the toilet. i know Mugabe's land grab policy was good for Africans in Zimbabwe. But the mere fact that Mugabe had no contingency plan to help Zim black farmers shows me Mugabe is just for show and nothing more.

i use to think Muagbe was a good African leader and wanted nothing more than Zimbabwe to prosper. But as time goes on i began to think this R. Mugabe is a Trojan horse. The fact that he even his loyal supporters are starting to turn against him show you that Mugabe is nothing but a loud mouth idiot who wants to rule for another 10 years. South African is the strongest in terms of Military so if they wanted to save Mugabe why not put him out of his misery, and let the Zim people choose a new leader.

The pressure on Zimbabwe is not from the sanctions, becuase those sanctions are placed on the ruling party Zanu-PF. these sanctions do not hurt the poor population. Trying to turn Zimbabwe into another Iraq is rubbish IMO. Zimbabwe would fold if USA/UK attacked.

that logic just wont sell, my friend, in a world where we understand perfectly well the limited choices available to we. gone are the days when a whole lot of Africans could be made to dance to self serving logic's tune. i am checking out what you are writing for what it is saying about you and where you stand regarding the black man's fight against the system of white supremacy. i am able to do this, in fact i am able to look up higher over where you are reasoning because your amplitude allows you to know as much as you do, and no more... at the end of the day you have to trust in yourself and believe you can deliver effectively and be able to sell, and this is where i pounce because then it boils down to playing the ball on equal terms.

times where you always had your way actually never existed because you used force most of the time, whenever any other methods were found wanting.

do you know of those who lord over blood money on the continent and what they are doing to their own people? have you checked out the Congo and Kabila's involvement in millions of deaths of his own people. have you checked out Kenya and what really happened in the aftermath of the civil strife, how dissent was quelled using the help of... you know who? what did it take to get dissenters in line, and was there a call by the UN for intervention? do you realize the leader who turned his own people into guinea pigs for western pharmaceutical companies is still leading them, prisons full of the opposition, free of condemnation save for a few people who chose to write and produce movies on the issue? have there been any calls for invasion or even vilification campaigns anywhere near those we have seen of Mugabe since?

do you know what is really behind the abject poverty suffered by Africans causing so many to die from curable diseases because they are just unfit to fight off simple infections? do you know of the policies that are causing this, or do you want us to believe this is all fiction? do you know of the fact barbaric people are put in power in African countries today, that if an African accepts the primacy of western interests then he is called a good leader, and that if he rejects them he becomes the worst man to have ever lived?

do you know any of this at all, or do you think it is all made up by people who want to paint the west in a bad light for the sake of promoting their agendas?

do you agree Africa and the west should exist in a relationship where our wanting more means their wanting less? do you think this is a real assessment of where we stand, and whether it is logical or just?

do you think Africans who are positive minded are tolerated by the west in the west and the rest of the planet where these Africans may rear their heads?

hmmm... that sounds like white supremacist speak. heard and hear so much of it i can recognize it anywhere. so which part of the white power supremacist org are you, the one that monitors black websites or the other one that eliminates them on the streets? you are probably sitting next to me seething with hate right now as we speak, with that message going through your head: kill kill kill, murder murder murder.

so what is next, the harassing squad?

show some pride. be the more intelligent person you claim to be/are supposed to be and quit with two thousand heads of you put together fearing one head, where you iz supposed to come out better every time, supremacist. grow up and consult S. Odoff of where we come together to talk. just makes you look bad, no? especially your preoccupation with the entity of consciousness in other people and what canibalistic microwaving can do for your combined head-ness...

pathetic...