Mandela Birthday Concert Is A Whitewash - Page 4

Le Moor · (#76 (**permalink**))

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Originally Posted by Kunjufu

Before I start my response to your joke post above....allow me to first say that boy of yours is too cute for words..are you sure he's yours, i suspevt yu dey fly to some country and go buy him......anyhoo!!

Now to deal with your piss poor attempt to reconcile Mandela's contradictions....
I need to start by saying that one gun sold to any war is too many, however as it is a fact that Mandela bought South african out of recession with arms sales, I think we can safely say he sold more than a handful to central Africa...can't we?

The next Obvious point in response to your silly comparison is to state that unless the companies you are attempting to compare Mandela with are AFRICAN owned then I cannt see tyhe relevance of bring this into the convo...Mandela contradicted himself with his actions based on who and what he was and supposed to be simple....

But here is as they say in dominoes the KEY!!!.... If mandela can FORGIVE PW Botha for his atrocities and even go so far as to muster a warm kind trbute upon his death, If he can forgo Botha apparence at the TRC, If he can forgive all the other jackals who were responsible for the deaths of THOUSANDS of innocent South Africans....

Please explain to me how he couldn't find it in his heart to forgive his wife, better still please explain to me why even if he could not forgive her, why he MADE her appear before the TRC for 1 [ONE] alleged Murder... and yet he allowed PW Botha off and he oversaw thousands of murder/torture and terrorist acts in and outside of South Africa... Explain to me the disjucture in this behaviour..because imtrigued as to what excuse your going to come up with next..to reconcile the blindliy obvious..that Mandela didn't 'forgive' jack...he was directed by his paymasters into the actions he took...

He paid them [his paymasters] back for installing him as figarative head of state, while the pulled the strings out of his perverbal arse... Because why else who Mandela sign away his nuclear Arsenal... in favour of impotency..i suppose now you're gonna tell me that he was a man of peace rather that a puppet head, directed as to the conditions of his presidency?

Kunjufu, dont even go there. When he was born he came out so white, except for his balls and ears. I was like, damm *jaw on floor* this is not my baby. Being a novice to fatherhood i wasnt prepared for this or knew it was quite normal unitl they get darker after a week or two.

Hes wicked though innit, him sweet like him fardda sar....lol

Anyway every Country has to work to its strengths and SA had arms to sell and Mandela inherited a sanctioned battered ecomony. He maintains however that the deals he done with certain Countries involved 'non lethal' armoury becuase of the ethics involved in selling to them. I believe this to a certain degree although accept theres no evidence that 100% of sales were of this nature.

The relevance to stating that SA companies sold arms direct to rebels isnt in their Nationality, its the fact that these sales arent sanctioned by the government, are illegal, but nevertheless can be reported as "sales from SA".

Re-Winnie, the TRC wasnt even Mandelas responsibility. It was run by Tutu and others. Thats besides the point as i cant condem a man for divorcing his wife its that simple and we most certainly know she turned dark throughout the struggle, responsible for killing African children. Mandela and others were in the same struggle and cant be accused of "losing their minds" amongst it all.

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Originally Posted by Backatya

@Le Moor
Tut...tut...Stop clutching at straws.
The fact of the matter is that YOU applied YOUR inference to my words because of your taking offense at my deeming to have a contrary view. I IMPLIED nothing! And certainly if 'it was like a holiday camp' was what I was implying' I would have no trouble saying so. I have never been one to shy away from saying exactly what I mean, so stop with this futile attempt to prove that I actually meant what YOU inferred from my words. YOU twisted my words, pure and simple. Now be man enough to admit it!

I might have forgiven you if you had at least had the sense to ask, "What do you mean by that?", rather than spin my words (in a much later thread) into "IT WAS LIKE A HOLIDAY CAMP".
Now I think I have said enough on yet another example of the disingenuous tactics you use when you TAKE IT PERSONALLY, because someone simply expresses a view which does not concur with your own.

Finally, I have nothing to 'Put up or shut up about'. I am quite free to express my opinions and views without 'explaining myself in detail' to your's or anyone's satisfaction. Likewise you are quite free to take absolutely no notice of what I say. And no, I would not be in the least bit offended at that.

Respect

But thats precisely my point Backatya, you arent prepared to say anything are you? so all i can do is draw conclusions. In order to prevent this you would need to clarify this inside info you say you have which caused you to drop these bold statements.

Backatya · (#77 (**permalink**))

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Originally Posted by Incognito

Backatya - your haste to reply and defend those who share your heart is what's selling you out. I said whatever your secret, it's no more credible as me living the rest of my life like that, i.e. it's bullsh1t that wouldn't pass in a court of law much less in this 'I this love it ina babylon' village.

Bro, you need to learn when to let it go. Now you are bordering on the ridiculous (or should I say psychotic?) with that load of garbage.

Though I respect the opinions you have expressed on a number of things, you do have a tendency to over-rant and somewhat lose the plot when you don't get the desired support you believe your point of view deserves.
We think differently on this issue....pure and simple. Leave it at that and keep the blood pressure in check.

Respect

Le Moor · (#78 (**permalink**))

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Incognito · (#79 (**permalink**))

Backatya - you are waffling pure fart. I'm simply highlighting the errors in your escape route, you can't blur it no matter how much you try.

For the record, there are all sorts of idiots here talking about they remember this they remember that they remember everything - well I only remember the questions that remain unanswered, I even dedicated a thread for it and questions still remain unanswered, you know, that old silent treatment disappear for a couple of days pretend you were too busy helping Africans bullsh!t - and these same people expect to be taken seriously in another debate.

Let it go? speak for yourself rude boy...and brush those hairs from out of your teeth before talking fart, they do nothing to help the smell of wind.

Backatya · (#80 (**permalink**))

Ahh....don't you feel much better for getting that off your chest? Look, I have even been kind enough to let your comments follow my response so as to allow you the privilege of getting in that all important...LAST WORD. I could have of course come back with a reply, equally as impotent as your last rantings, but then I thought.....nah, why bother!

Respect

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Originally Posted by Incognito

Backatya - you are waffling pure fart. I'm simply highlighting the errors in your escape route, you can't blur it no matter how much you try.

For the record, there are all sorts of idiots here talking about they remember this they remember that they remember everything - well I only remember the questions that remain unanswered, I even dedicated a thread for it and questions still remain unanswered, you know, that old silent treatment disappear for a couple of days pretend you were too busy helping Africans bullsh!t - and these same people expect to be taken seriously in another debate.

Let it go? speak for yourself rude boy...and brush those hairs from out of your teeth before talking fart, they do nothing to help the smell of wind.

Incognito · (#81 (**permalink**))

Backatya - cool, just checking.