Hmmm, honeytrap, this is a common one. Could be the case that Thornton Heath was seen as neutral ground to lessen the suspicion of a setup.

Yioung hoods defending babylon postcodes, how ridiculous, guess the trait can be traced all the way back to tribalism.

Poignant factor though, these children are completely different outside to who they are in the house. Like when Dwaine died his dad told me he was never an unruly kid to him or in front of him so how do you tell them off or discipline them when like chameleons they take on whatever persona they need to.

Poignant factor though, these children are completely different outside to who they are in the house. Like when Dwaine died his dad told me he was never an unruly kid to him or in front of him so how do you tell them off or discipline them when like chameleons they take on whatever persona they need to.

I do not think for one minute that this has changed over the generations...This is part and parcel of Teenagers Life......you would never ever know everything teenagers get up to my folks didn't but they trusted me to make the right decisions...the key is knowing what friends your teenage son or daughters keep .......get to know them especially their background even go as far as meeting their parents...this would serve as a good indication of what or who your offspring might be associating with

I do not think for one minute that this has changed over the generations...This is part and parcel of Teenagers Life......you would never ever know everything teenagers get up to my folks didn't but they trusted me to make the right decisions...the key is knowing what friends your teenage son or daughters keep .......get to know them especially their background even go as far as meeting their parents...this would serve as a good indication of what or who your offspring might be associating with[/quote]

I agree. Parents will always be unsure to a degree what their children are doing out of sight. One thing I do know though is you spend too much time on the road with no constructive reason more often than not you will end up in some form of bandooloo. regardless how their friends appear to be. My bredrens son is up for robbery/ he goes college/ had a part time job/ didnt live in a "ghetto".. but still end up running with boys who were robbing. The more I think about it the more useless it is making comparisons with youth from former years. Then and now youths get up to the same things.. the same rubbish fights over stupidness. Only thing thats changed is a large proportion seemingly are willing to kill over the same reasons. That the real and only change for me.

Think we all can identify with parents not knowing what their children are up to 24/7, that's a no brainer.

BT - you say only change, but then you could argue are todays parents the same as those of yesterday? If I got caught stealing sweets, my parents could still defend my corner praising me as a good youth, can we really expect parents to be looking at their own children as robbers and killers when their backs are turned?

As BP mentioned, there are some seriously superficial mothers out there raising these boys and girls. One bredrin told me about his babymother collecting their daughter from a prison cell. The babymother is asking questions like 'did they feed you in there' i.e. the daughter actually being there in the first place has long gone past being accepted as normal.

With no grounding, no values and no standards, the last bad simply becomes the new good - only your current predicament will ever be defended.

Incognito.

even if you went down as far as Streatham you could not describe that as ghetto...or for that matter single parent land..[NOT that this issue is about single parents imo]....

nor do I think its about ghetto's or for that matter single parents...[/quote]


hmmmmmm....then Kunjufu, why make the statement? As a person who grew up in a one unit/lone parent/ single famliy (call it what u like) it makes my blood boil to read and hear sweeping statments about the above.

This has nothing to do with the ghetto or single parent families. Good black people come out of the ghetto and one-parent families.

It has more to do with social deprivation, lack of respect, poor education and the glamorization of the 'ghetto', made famous by music videos/some black films and those at the top of the game, i.e rap stars.


Do u agree or disagree?

@MsPrice

It has more to do with social deprivation, lack of respect, poor education and the glamorization of the 'ghetto', made famous by music videos/some black films and those at the top of the game, i.e rap stars.

Wouldn't you say the same glamourization of the Babymomma and Babyfather syndrome with no responsibilties......can also be attributed to the above..I would go as far as saying.....as things stand today it is most prevalent contirbuting factor..environment(socially deprived) would come a close second...the other things you mention are the spin-offs

But thats teh thing@ astmartins

Is the babyfather/babymother syndrome glamourised in the first place?

I'm not sure it is

Another younger dead, 14 years old this time

[/b] Absolutely not. Poor education and the media are to blame. I don't believe there is a glamorization of babymommas? In England? Maybe in the USA but not here. if that was the case the blame should be shifted to the parents for raising their children in that environments, however if people look 'out side' the box, it is not the parents fault that their children are a product of that environment. What more can they do when it is obvious that the glamour of 'street life' rules their children?

This is what I notice it might not be encouraged but enough people in the black community do not see anything wrong with it either just because YT people do it..well heres news for you'll they have more CHOICES\OPTIONS available to them!!!..I'm sure some of you can appreciate the struggle and sacrifices some of the old school single mothers had to make its gut wrenching...The new babymommas and babySpermDonors are something else..their ideals and value system is totally screwed up
The parents should work harder to move their children out of those environments if they are in any danger of going astray..its all about sacrifices but when one is a single parent how can one finance the move on their own??..thats one of the reasons our people wallow in the rot..its just one vicious cycle after the other...and i'm not buying the story of kids properly raised still going all 'gangsta' either thats a cop out....they are a tiny minority or in the wrong place at the wrong time...most of the kids well brought up tend to be more positively socially conditioned

Have The Late Shakilus Townsend's parents, Nicola Dyer and Derek Townsend, offered any explanation for these photographs of their son as yet?

Four teenagers, including a girl of 15, have appeared in court this morning accused of murdering 16-year-old Shakilus Townsend in south London.

Tyrell Ellis, 18, of Thornton Heath, two youths, aged 17 and 16, and the girl, were remanded in custody by Sutton Magistrates.

One man, 22, has been bailed while a fifth youth was arrested today.

The defendants will next appear at the Old Bailey on 16 October.

The 22-year-old man was bailed to return to a south London police station next month.