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Because, to tell you the truth, I asked you the series of questions basically coz I’m always curious to see how people develop an argument or put a spin on it. How a person writes tells me a lot about them (sometimes it tells me all I feel I need to know). I asked because I wanted to see how YOU would answer the questions. I didn’t ask because I didn’t/don’t understand what’s up in SA. But I guess I should have said all this in a preamble before asking the questions.

BrooklynGal,

It seems to me to me that you are either (1)wasting my time with the way you phrase your last reply and not interested in my opinions of which you asked for, or(2)truly naïve of the problems Africa is facing or (3) Knows what you are talking about but still confused. First you tailor your response to say that and I quote I asked you the series of questions basically coz I’m always curious to see how people develop an argument or put a spin on it”. What the hell is this, are you here to learn something, share a different opinion or are you here just to see how someone answers a question? I need an answer back right away from you because I do not need you to waste my time, otherwise I will advise you to seek the gym if you are bored and basically here to waste time.

And you seem to confuse between Xenophobia, Nationalism and Tribalism and I still maintain that you lived in South Africa and never understood the politics of the Country. According to Merriam Webster Dictionary Xenophobia means : : “fear and hatred of strangers or foreigners or of anything that is strange or foreign”. What happened in South Africa was Xenophobia and the South Africans in the Townships were attacking people based on their Nationalities, and not based on their tribes. Thye could care less if you are Shona, Amhara, Massai or Dogon, they just want non South Africans out. Do you understand now? Nationalism. Merriam Webster Dictionary defines Nationalism as: : “a sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups”. On the other hand Tribalism means: “ tribal consciousness and loyalty; and exaltation of the tribe above other groups or strong in-group loyalty”. I hope this will help in your confusion between Xenophobia, Nationalism and Tribalism.

I will repeat again, Tribalism is a problem in Africa but there are far more worrying problems Africa is facing than Tribalism. Bad Governance, Corruption, Mismanagement, Non Existent Accountability are the major sources of the Problems Africa is facing. Now you mention Kenya with the past Election and for the 1000th time you should know that the ethnic violence that ensued was the result of Corrupt Politicians stoking Tribal violence for Political gains. You have the Mungiki Sect which is a Traditional Kikuyu sect that in the past emphasized the return to Tribal traditions and the abandonment of Foreign Religions such as Christianity and Islam. Over time the Mungiki Sect grew to become a Criminal Element that engages in Racketeering and Money laundering similar to the MAFIA. The Italian Sicilian Mafia was originally an Organization that was created to fight French rule that was in control of Italy and overtime the Mafia grew into an entirely criminal enterprise. The Mungiki sect was used by both the Government of Kenya and the Opposition party to stoke and attack supporters of the Government or Opposition and the result was Tribal Violence. What you fail to understand here is that had the Politicians not used the Mungiki Sect in the first instance, there won’t have been any violence. Here is where you fail to understand that Politicians nowadays are the ones driving this Tribalism for Political gains. The result was full scale wars between tribes.

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This one word question was in relation to my statement that Apartheid Influenced the Youth and you asked how. Did you say you lived in South Africa and yet you ask me how? Now you see why I say you claim to have lived in South Africa but failed to understand the Politics of the Country. Were you spending your time in Stollensbach or what?
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[color=yellow][i] What government failed them? The white gov’t or the ANC gov’t? And what do you mean by ‘failed’? Because we can both do a search and pull up economic, educational, health etc. post-Independence statistics and compare what the ANC and white gov’ts have done for poor Black South African folk.
And you claimed to have lived in South Africa, do you really know what you are saying here. Pull the Statistics and let see what you got. I thought we were talking about Apartheid Government and you somehow bring the ANC. Is this one of your questions to see how I will answer you because you are bored and just here to waste time?
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[color=yellow][i] Actually, I was talking about individuals. But now that you mention Nigeria ‘exploding into pieces’, if I remember correctly, immediately after the attempted coup by Nzeogwu, many Igbos living in northern Nigeria were slaughtered in the aftermath of the failed coup. They weren’t participants in the rebellion and weren’t military folk; they were regular men, women and children slaughtered because they belonged to the wrong tribe. The reason Nigeria hasn’t ‘exploded’ into pieces and won’t, is because each of the three major tribes has a sufficiently large populace that will defend itself if threatened (like Biafra). They co-exist and go on about their way. Not everybody hates everybody, but a whole lot of folks hate a whole lot of folks. Again, only because of ‘tribe’.
Maybe you should learn Nigerian History in its entirety. The problems you mention ensued right after the British granted Nigeria Independence and the British favored the Hausa see previous post by astmartins.
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[color=yellow][i] So why not go after the politicians instead of going after the other tribe with a machete? Because that's what happened. Or were the Kenyans who went about killing people zombies or robots? They specifically targeted people based on their tribal origin.
How do you expect people in Villages who were attacked by a rival group to go after politicians when both groups of people fighting a re being used by politicians? How? Why did you ask the Americans in Brooklyn and all over America who attacked innocent Middle Easterners and Moslems here in the great USA to go and attack the terrorists since it was they who committed the 911 attacks? And those attacks could have been worse had Bush not urged Americans for calm. We would have seen the mass murders of Middle Easterners here in the USA had the American Government used this episode at home instead of what is happening abroad in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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[color=yellow][i] Because they got sense?
Well 95% of Africa is stable in addition to the Country I mentioned and they got sense.


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BBC NEWS | World | Africa | Outcry over China-Niger oil deal


one will need a bigger lie to cover the first one
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A mining union in Niger said the deal with China took place in the greatest of secrecy and with contempt for regulation.

It is not easy changing the way such deals are struck - political and business elites often have a vested interest in avoiding transparency.
true. enlightened self interest has seldom been the factor guiding such deals in Africa, just me, my pumped up rear, and I, including my family and cronies. the sound of a few billions means the world to a simpleton, and the Chinese go away smiling at each other amazed at their great fortune.

if it were not for the fact these types are a result of policies of indirect rule, i would say Africans in general do not mind living on a rubbish heap, as long as he can build a mansion and drive an SUV on it. being surrounded by beggars doesn't bother such imaginations neither. in fact, seeing a land full of impoverished, starving struggling people simply makes the simpletons feel good about themselves. go to Africa and watch them show off their SUV's to the poorest people you ever saw.

a ridiculous and disgusting show...

a condition of indirect rule is to turn the tables so that the fools lead the nation, while the capable are relegated second status. Arabs never got their societies turned upside down to the same extent as Africans, and observe how, even though there are a few stinking rich families, they have turned their countries into modern day states with the constant flow of monies from "their" oil reserves, while, in Africa, the initial deal has benefited Swiss banks, after a lot of dead ex-presidents could not claim the money, with a lot of dead men of the opposition, and nothing to show for the reserves in the country.

that said, i do not like the likes of a union, whose traditional role in the capitalist system has been pacification of the masses, to be at the forefront of the transparency campaign. striking compromising deals is what these types are good at.

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if it were not for the fact these types are a result of policies of indirect rule, i would say Africans in general do not mind living on a rubbish heap, as long as he can build a mansion and drive an SUV on it. being surrounded by beggars doesn't bother such imaginations neither. in fact, seeing a land full of impoverished, starving struggling people simply makes the simpletons feel good about themselves. go to Africa and watch them show off their SUV's to the poorest people you ever saw.

a ridiculous and disgusting show...


China in particular and India have taken over from where the West left off..yet this puppets we have for leaders still ain't learnt nothing as far as they can line their pockets...they ain't saying NOTHING
About the Poverty...Very Very profound!!...Trust me I've seen it and moved me to tears each time... and its people like us that still give to those in dire poverty..
This leaders or Elites are not civilised at all..though in their simple mind they think they are the dogs bullocks...their policy is to put the horse before the cart..buy all this expensive cars yet the roads are full of pot holes and unfit for vehicles of any kind...shocking only in Africa!!..
You just need to look at some of the Arab states as you stated..same oil revenue right???
Though people can do somethings on their own but without the foundation which is basic infrastruture everything crumbles...


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