Greetings Everyone,

Welfare mothers to be forced to work - Times Online

I am listening to the recent debate again about the governements push to get single mothers on benefit back to work. This is not new but the intent to take away benefits if the mothers don't go for jobs they are being put forward for gives me cause for concern. I don't believe that this alone will help and although training and interviews are being provided, as I've seen in my area, there is more to consider here right?

What do you think about the suggestions being made?

If you have been or are in this situation, what support back to work helped you the most?

No they shouldn't.

The fathers should be made to get into work to enable them to sustain their families and pay bills (like they used to).

Raise your youths ladies. Society will benefit in the long term, won't they?

Yep like their good for nothing no hood wearing brotha's spreading their DNA to no effect. -- but I didn't quite think this thread was about 'Babbie mudda's'

Yes. With some exceptions.

1) Divorced women for 5 years after annullment get a bly. Give them a chance to get back on their feet.
2) Widows
3) Rape victims or other tragedies

Apply it to all single mothers who have a child over say 6,7. Would have to subsidise child care. And have them start flipping those burgers! Who know better. Can do better. That alone would solve a whole heap of problems in a heartbeat.

With the man who dont/wont response for their child or cant show they've tucked some money in a specific account in the childs name/ or cant pay lump sum. 18 months mandatory community service and CSA style docking of wages which the government can keep and piss up the wall all I care. The money aint to redistribute its just for punishment sake.

Come back in 10 years and tell me if you got a problem with single mothers/ teenage preg/ wotliss dads etc.

Bredda T I like the considerations you give for the exceptions. The age part is what did surprise me at first but thinking abou tin when you have maternity leave initially it was 6 months for the mother with pay and any more time without. I know that's someone with a job but I'm looking at the time frame. It would probably work out better skills wise if the parent were to go back to work before the teens at least because the longer they leave it so much will have changed. In that time confidence and motivation can take a real down turn. These initiatives don't always respond to that especially now if parents are being forced to go for anything. Just some more thoughts on it.

Beeps you empty the wallet quickee lol I said some of the money not all. I agree too about the working hours and working up to 16 hours means that some benefits can still be received if necessary. Although sometimes employers can't meet every part time need, there's plenty of opportunity to negotiate hours. Thanks also for acknowleding the fathers who aren't taking responsibility for their children. I honestly don't know how or when more will take their role seriously.

from the child is 1yrs old they should be working or trying to work. the government are only asking for 16hrs in which in turn qualifies them for tax credits and help with childcare.

my friend has 2 kids she is doing a course and the benefits people pay for childcare. she aims to be working as she was prior to having her children

I gotta disagree with you there. Most places I can think of that don't offer government benefits they DO have a multitude of children as there rarely is enough emphasis on birth control methods and no matter how hard the parents work, the amount of children that are in a constant state of mal-health and education is epidemic.

You can say "Well these places don't have such and such that we have in the West and yet they survive," but you can't stop there. You have to further investigate if the state of their survival is an ideal one. People survive in the most abysmal situations so survival is not an accurate measurement for the need or lack of need of something.

I have'nt read all of the replies .. but saw the thread and wanted to add my 2cents..

Ques "should single mothers be forced back to go back to work?"


My thoughts are a definate NO! issues surounding Ferral children and the broken family unit are numerous & cannot be resolved by sending Mothers Out to work.

Fact 1 - childern need Mothers they need a mothers guidence love and nurturing
Fact 2 - children dont stand a cats chance of reciving this type of care "proper" if mothers are FORCED to go out to work.

Having said all of this I totally agree that the single parent issue is a mess and needs sorting out - but we need to be responsible in how we go about this.

To my way of thinking it would be far more productive for goverments to bring about programs that will lower the single parent circumstance.
( see my post on thread "do children need fathers")

while the trend toward single paranting is lowered we then need to tackle the issues surrounding the cost of currant single parent households to the tax payer.

And the most effective way to tackle this is to force the fathers of these single parent children to work - as opposed to the mothers.

Fact- fathers have a duty to support their offspring
Fact- Men achieve a greater sense of responsiblty and self-esteem when they are put in a position of supporting their familes.

Fact- African/Afro men need positions of social responsiblity
Fact- African/Afro men need careers and jobs.

I say give the jobs to the fathers ( bring about accountabilty )and let the mothers raise the children - Ferral children benefit noone. Restore the Family Unit.

Give Men the JOBS! Set and set an example to the children

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um how or what is supposed to feed the kids. the csa can only do so much and if the fathers are 6ft under than what.

this is 2009 not 1909 people get real with the times

hello lady Day:
I believe you have misderstood the point I was trying to make
and it is this -

Not matter what height the father is.. if he is able to produce children he is more than capable of working to feed them.
It takes two to create a pregnancy. And if the mother is prepared to stay at home and look after the child why then should the father of the child not work to feed and clothe it?

Just because its 2009 theres no good reason what so ever for a Man NOT to be held ACCOUNTABLE for the children he fathers .

The CSA have proven themselves to be nothing short of a useless organisation
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when a woman goes cap in hand to the Benefit office after she has given birth It should be requested that she provide details of her childs father. He will then be supplied with a NI Number and given a job to support his child.

If for any reason she does not know the identiy or the where abouts of her childs biological father then she should be given the option of supporting the child herself (there are many mothers work from home) Or if this doesnt suit Adoption. So the child goes to parents that are in a postition to care for it.

Why should the state pick up the tab? benefit should only be payable under the most extreme of circumstances ..and not as "Bog Standard" which is how it is now adays.

If the governemt take this approach.. "potential parents"will likely become more responsible. And the Condom industury will likely Thrive under such condtions and quite possibly create more Jobs! win win win!

I really dont care to be honest either way whether they work or not the majority will expect money from the father which is reasonable i really dont mind paying taxes for single mothers because in the END its damaging them and not me.

If you dont see being a single mother and just being at home not working as damaging then i guess ya ambitions dont surpass what the same government dictates to you and that is a tearful reality imo cos its DEMOTIVATING and gives a woman a reason to procrastinate in a cozy scenario which wasnt created by her own doing in the first place.

so basically this is a good thing as it gives some women the incentive to maintain themselves and actually back the "i dont need a man" notion that i so often hear from women that are indeed on benefits.

whats really terrible about this is that the GOVERNMENT is giving this incentive as supposed to anyone else in a womans immediate circle of friends.

if the GOVERNMENT have to give someone the encouragement of their own personnal growth you may as well just be drones or lab animals for them too.

I aint saying that there shouldnt be benefits cos if you need it you need it but there is a difference between needing it and becoming someone that just accepts it as a permanent income to finance things other than essentials.

Unless you live a lifestyle which dictates that you get up everyday and physically get and produce that which you NEED to survive and that which you consider to be comforts,
you are a leech.
You are a parasite.
You are not doing for self.
You are exploiting the labor of others.

Many of us purchase goods and use services that only exist because of slave labor. Not slave labor hundreds of years ago, but slave labor today and of course there is that which was built on slave labor generations ago. This labor comes at the cost of murder, rape, and abuse. That(murder, rape, and abuse)is what gets the majority of goods and services to a shelf.

Many people sit on fortunes that only exist because of slave labor and continue to push this money and these resources around in a way that maintains it with the full cooperation of the ruling elite. These people will never work a day in their life and neither will any generation after them.

"Government assistance" is nothing more than slave food with a different public image. It exists to sustain a permanent hard labor slave class. The source of this "assistance" is not you or me.

The main source of this assistance(the assistance is goods and "money")is people who are even worse off than those on this aid. These enslaved people are responsible for the cheap and abundant goods used to sustain these people. There is no money coming from my pocket or yours, money is a ghost. It is fiction. The "money" that these people use is simply paper. It is not your labor or mine unless you are working the farms or the mines or in the sweatshops.

And the idea that these people are leeching the masses is a lie created to demonize them and fuel hatred towards them, so that people will be too busy complaining about their "luxury" and about their so-called pathology to actually stop and think about what utter horse manure such ideas are.

Again I say, unless you are truly independent, unless you are producing and creating rather than consuming, feeding, and exploiting labor, you have no room to talk.

And if you are not simply a consumer, you should recognize how a system has been created to crush independence. You should understand how all over the world people do for self until they are murdered, raped, and beaten into submission and slavery. You should see how they are brainwashed and manipulated into thinking that one works for a white man or mutt's corporation in order to live and have comfort. You should see how people are led to believe that a slip of F-U-C-K-I-N-G PAPER is anything but a slip of paper.

you dont need a pardon for nothing if thats what you believe you should stick to it regardless of who dont like it your ya own person so be who you are and say what you feel.

I think single mothers should work even if it's just part time or volunteering, sitting at home all day doing nothing affect's your spirit, people need just like they need food and water to be valuable contributors to society to be part of the woven fabric of life. It's very easy to pass that behaviour on to children. Long term unemployed people have this look about them, it's no wonder single mums have a high rate of depression.

its crazy you know my girl has a friend who had a life threatening operation and as a result was granted the best part of a year off work PAID but she couldnt last a month she INSISTED on going back to work as she couldnt cope with just staying at home.

Ironic isnt it? yet we have women that are happy to stay at home and dont feel a way.

First off - I have no children, but I hope that does not make my views any less valuable..

Personally I find it hypercritcal of the government to even have a CSA (which is designed to help put money into the gov's pockets not that of the parents) and then say that single mums should do this or that. pls note the CSA does not help the average mother - it was designed by the Tory gov to penalise women and men for having sex and babies out of wedlock..

First off the gov need to recognise the importance of a family unit. They then need to recognise the importance of child care and its real costs. Then when they wake up they might understand how it all fits together in the real world.

You want single mums to go out and work.. what about married mums too.. what about making it possible for mums to apply for jobs which are realistic in their timetables in respect to childcare.. what about jobs that offer enough money in the first place that allow families to survive without state help.

As for men breeding up girls.. It takes two to tango and for every worthless man out there breeding, there is an equally as stupid women letting him.