If his partner had got pregnant would he have wanted that child? I bet he would have. So why should one child have to die because they would highlight the wrongdoings of their father?? And a woman should get a 'beatdown' for this??? He should have been as adamant when he was 'up in there, up in there' bareback.

A real man would have known that they bought that situation to themselves and fessed up, and handled his shit, hoping to still salvage his relationship.


Its always going to be a problem whena man wants pussy and a women wants a baby. The two positions are destined to clash. If the women cant differentiate or wants to talk bullshit about its my body and Im having this child against his wishes/ when she damn well should of known that in the first place/ she should expect the worst.

NO women got to stop playing games and taking this pregnancy thing lightly that they will allow themselves to get into such a predicament. Beacause if she dont want to get pregnant there is nothing on Gods earth a man can do about it short of rape her.

There are a set of man that will look at the situation rationally/ know it cant work and act accordingly. Possibly violently.Then there are those who will not response and just **** you off. Then there are the fool fool brothers who will fawn and be held dictate to by entrapment. A man cannot trap a women into having a child. If she absolutley will not entertain the notion it aint going to happen. Thses brothers will probably end up knocking out the women two years down the line because of foolish games..i.e get the guy involved in a child he didnt want/ and then play off the child as some power game when she wants further attention.

God almighty someone should lock up these type of women. They are full of ****eree.

As I said its will always be a problem when one man wants PUSSY and the women wants a baby. Any women who doesnt realise this will be getting kicked in her stomach at the worst/or at the other end of the scale getting ****ed off and having no father in their childs life..

This Mary Poppins attitude that "we can work it out" serioulsy deludes many women. If he dont want a child in the first place he dont want to work it out. He just wanted to stroke your pussy. Sorry to be so crude but its like polite english doesnt get through.

hmmmm

if they are MARRIED then maybe some kind of rightsshould b given to men

if it is a matter of being a baby fada then NO he has no right and women should have the choice to terminate.

but

seriously

can ANYONE choose their partner carefully

Can they

seriously

i see black men with a intelligance and pizzaz act like fool fool around the worset type of women, knowing how they go on and act, most times the nice girls get left out because they are not hot enough. NOW if men should understand that it is women get pregnant including the rif raf of society then they should simply avoid by any means.

It is not right to force a woman to carry a child if she does not see it fit to, afterall it is her body that will be going through those ruff changes not the man,s.

i can see this thread has taken the likeliest of turns already and we still on the first page.

i think that in this society since it is seen that child birth bearing rearing etc is only for the woman i feel that no man should have the right to force a woman to have a baby that SHE does not want. i am pro-life etc but men in this society rarely take their seed responsibility seriously.

@iyallah i really liked the points you made.

if a couple are going through IVF and they split up. the man can determine if the treatment can continue with the fertilised eggs. if he says no the courts will honour that and destroy the fertilised eggs regardless of the womans potential or last attempt of conception.

so in natural conception no he aint got no rights. he has right not to impregnate any woman he does not want children with many rarely use that common sense

if me and hubby split up and i was preggers well wether be together or not i know he would disown me cut me of if i dash way any belly. for him its not up for discussion.

@ iyallah

I believe the attitude of the woman is an issue, but not the only issue

From what I've gathered from fredblacks story, The woman was almost like. 'Ha ha I got ya'. I'm having your baby and nothing you can do about it. 'Shenanigans of the highest order'. I dont know fredblack or his familybut from hispostings alone Iknow that his fam wont standto be challengedlike that, especially not by white 'black woman'. Maybe if it was a genuine mistake the situation might have turned out differently. who knows? Hindsight is a wonderful thing

However, if you got a borderline bunny boiler up in your mug you better take real protection. Double condoms, male pill, everything cos it doesnt take an einstein to realise that was probs her greater goal.

@Cashmoney. On the money. Contraceptiion does not or can never alleviate particular issues. Other than not sleep with particular women especially if you have another woman. All sex comes down to trust and you cannot remove trust from any sexual relationship. Let me give you an example. The other day the condomns we have in large numbers ran out and my wife told me no sweat as her period is coming any day soon. She knows her body and I am not in the position to challenge her. That scenarios or similar can exist in many reltionships and I have experienced it when th ewoman is saying I know how I work etc. That is a matter of trust....

If things come to the worse then you have an issue to face up to. Hence why I always say I only sleep with women who have something SIGNIFICANT to lose by becoming pregnant not things to gain and an incentive to play the arse as too many actually do. But then touse it and in effect want to bully us and take us on.

The woman is asking for a beating one step short of death. Certain families will NOT HAVE IT. Once a woman can use her pussy for power then she will be telling my mother when and when she can see her grandchild or having what my father called communal pussy with other men in and out in front of our blood or worse breeding for the next man she meet ten minutes later who takes her eye. That will lead to death and serious violence which that woman will never win. In my country respectable families and the mothers in particular wil simply come with aunties etc and take the child and raise it under their roof to stop future killing.

You see I have rarely ever met a woman who made that decision and prepare to accept the full ramifcations of it. I know cases were women are cussing out the man's family on road as if they **** her because they are not running with open arms to suport the child when they view her as basically slack and she knew what she was doing.

As soon as the child is going off the rails they are cussing out the father and I got a case very close to home right now. Again fooishly naievette guy and my sister in law don't ramp and wanted the child and then used it to do all kinds of disgusting shit to the brother and now the boy is failing badly at school wants to diss him and all kinds of stuff. But the wife' family are goodpeople anddo not blame the guy but their daugther because they knowhow they raised her and nobody would treat my father in law like that because he would bust them up.

Having a child is a source and abuse of power and for those who think it is sacred and they can **** with certain families they are mad and on crack because my sisters alone with set for them never mind the men. All they will succed in doing is destroying that child's llife and why there are so many kids I know whose fathers come from good family and stock who those chiildren have no connections too. Rather than those children getting the best a black child should have which they familiies have and would give willingly they end up ghetto statistics. Simple as..

Will check what Ayallah saying when I come back. But certain families don't want no baby mother business because they know what comes with it and it is warfare and blooshed and ugliness.

FB

@Ayalllah did not see your post. It is very very horrible thing and let's not hide it for any man to force a woman to not have a child but that assumes the woman is acting on the best interest of the child and not her own warped sense of priorities. My wife has an associate/friend who met this red skin guy who looks like Shaggy and she is mad about red skin. Not even to mintues got pregnant for the man deliberately and was so happy was announcing it at work for white people who were looking at her like. As wifey said watch people making the calculations...You met this guy when..and now you are how many months.....confused2

I feell sorry that child was allowed to live becausw things I have seen I feel it for that kid. She ain't fit to look after people's pets never mind a child.

But let me say as some who has wathced this shit for decades close up. It is like war and there is no war that is not horrible. It is ugly because you are no longer in the rhealms of decency and proper behaviour. So if a man has to put his foot down and lay down the law it could be for the interest of all in the short, medium and long term.

Me I have no problems with it it is abot the greater good. A woman's right is a woman's right as a general principle but all general principles have to be qualified in specific important contexts. We must not kill is a general principle. We must not beat women is a good general principle and I can go on. But if that action is going to cause more harm all around, than any good which can come out of it.

I belive most of these women who I know and have had this discussion with have no basic principles whatsoever. A bit like Layrn Hill of the Fugees ****ing two men simulatenously and one is married big time and want to invent her own moral ethical codeconfused3. When they say they are againgst abortion they are hypocrties of the highest order because all they have is SITUATIONAL ETHICS which they make up as they go along. You can **** your sisters man or best friend man and all shades in between and engage in things with are morally repugnant and then claim to have moral ethics for five minutes and concerning one thing a child and as soon as the child is born ethics disappear again.

This issue vexes me to the max becaus the amount of damage I have seen from unetjhical women and the consequences is unbelivable. There is a school near me with 14,00 black boys almost all single parents and it is a human dump. Those childrern are destined for doom. Do you know how many of these women emotional dump their kids once they are no longer fun bundles and can't wait to force them to grow up before their time etc etc.. Of course men should protect themselves, because most of these women are NASTY and only god knows what you could catch from them. A WOMANWHO DOES NOT PROECT HERSELF IS A NASTY WOMAN. I mean Lauryn Hill was ****ing two men simultaneously Makes me want to wash just thinking about it. So she could have infected either one of them. BUT SHE HAS A THING FOR CARIBBEAN MEN WHICH I UNDERSTAND BUT SHE IS NASTY AND SLACK.

But to see people playing with human life is disgusting. At least we have some romantic notions from our cultutre that is only one person TRULY AND REALLY LOVES US IT IS OUR MUMS..I really question whether these woman actually know what it is to love anything.

FB