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Post imported post - 23-05-07, 08:41 PM

what are your thoughts?

one of my friends has just got a dangerous dog and i dont care 4 dogs myself. they stil want me to come round with my son and they say dog is young so all will be ok.

i rather not have the risk given current press


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Post imported post - 24-05-07, 12:47 AM

the problem with these dogs is most of the time they are in the wrong hands.

They are used as satus symbols --- and are forever being riled up or baited against other dogs to make them even more rough and aggressive

Then once the dog is no longer a pup and is stonger than the "kid" owner--- the tables are turned and the pup bites you in the moonie

the dog is then doing what it has been trained and taunted to do then people throw their hands up asking why me when the dog attacks them or someone else. It the inocenet someone else I feel for - not the dumb S**T who encouraged that behaviour in the dog in the first place

Children should not be left with dogs alone in any case --- just in case --- but if you are that uncomforatble with the pup around your kids you could ask that it not be in the room with you and your child whislt you visit


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Post imported post - 24-05-07, 10:25 AM

Trust your gutt feeling. I went for a picnic with friends and their children. And there was a group of teenagers with a pack of vicious lookingdogs,which were being let toran loose. it was so nerve wrecking to constantly watch these dogs and the kids, that we ended up moving to another spot (a less attractive one) thoughthey assured us that the dogs were harmless. It is hard to relax with these dogs because they can be so unpredictable.



Symptoms of Aggressive Dog Behaviour
  • Standing tall on the tips of the toes, leaning slightly forward, with ears pointed forward and up
  • Long stares and refusal to break eye contact first
  • Raised hackles (hair in between shoulders)
  • Growling from deep within the body as opposed to a throat growl
  • Showing teeth
  • Guarding food and toys by snarling or chasing family members away
  • Excessive marking of territory or leg lifting
  • Stiff, slow movements that include a strange wag with tail held high
  • Biting of air near people
  • Possessiveness towards a certain area or piece of furniture, refusal to leave that spot that includes growling, barking and showing of teeth.
  • Shoving ‘weaker’ family members with shoulders or other forms of bullying
Dangerous Dogs & the law
As of 1991, all breeds or types of Pit Bull Terriers, Japanese Tosa, Dogo Argentino or Filo Braziliero must be registered, neutered, microchipped, tattooed and insured. "It is an offence to breed, sell, exchange or give away a dog of these breeds


If you illegally own one of these dogs, you can be hit with a maximum fine of £5,000 and/or six month's imprisonment.





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Trust your gutt feeling. I went for a picnic with friends and their children. And there was a group of teenagers with a pack of vicious lookingdogs,which were being let toran loose. it was so nerve wrecking to constantly watch these dogs and the kids, that we ended up moving to another spot (a less attractive one) thoughthey assured us that the dogs were harmless. It is hard to relax with these dogs because they can be so unpredictable.



Symptoms of Aggressive Dog Behaviour
  • Standing tall on the tips of the toes, leaning slightly forward, with ears pointed forward and up
  • Long stares and refusal to break eye contact first
  • Raised hackles (hair in between shoulders)
  • Growling from deep within the body as opposed to a throat growl
  • Showing teeth
  • Guarding food and toys by snarling or chasing family members away
  • Excessive marking of territory or leg lifting
  • Stiff, slow movements that include a strange wag with tail held high
  • Biting of air near people
  • Possessiveness towards a certain area or piece of furniture, refusal to leave that spot that includes growling, barking and showing of teeth.
  • Shoving ‘weaker’ family members with shoulders or other forms of bullying
Dangerous Dogs & the law
As of 1991, all breeds or types of Pit Bull Terriers, Japanese Tosa, Dogo Argentino or Filo Braziliero must be registered, neutered, microchipped, tattooed and insured. "It is an offence to breed, sell, exchange or give away a dog of these breeds


If you illegally own one of these dogs, you can be hit with a maximum fine of £5,000 and/or six month's imprisonment.

Excellent topic btw,

I have an issue with dogs i aint a dog person but my partner is, we have a doberman lovely dog good temperment and very attentive but like footprint said they are so unpredictable,the doghas bitten my kids before, i told my partner GET RID OF THE DOG, he was adamant thatif he got a dog trainer that might do thetrick, like phuck...

He bit again,..this timehis nephew, my partner aint got no choice so hopefully it will be gone by the wk/end..i don,t know where to begin with dogs

They stink:

Shed hair like rain:

It's like a child (ihave 2 already don't need anymore)

Hoverin around when there is food

They are hindrance and a liability..

Don't get a dog around young children...
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Post imported post - 24-05-07, 08:44 PM

Ms Saint Thomas: Your boyf's dog bit your children and he kept the dog until it bit one of his nephews??

How could you or him keep bringing children around a doberman who has bitten children before? The dog should have been put down the first time it bit anyone.

I can't stand dogs, and would never live with someone who had one.
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Trust your gutt feeling. I went for a picnic with friends and their children. And there was a group of teenagers with a pack of vicious lookingdogs,which were being let toran loose. it was so nerve wrecking to constantly watch these dogs and the kids, that we ended up moving to another spot (a less attractive one) thoughthey assured us that the dogs were harmless. It is hard to relax with these dogs because they can be so unpredictable.



Symptoms of Aggressive Dog Behaviour
  • Standing tall on the tips of the toes, leaning slightly forward, with ears pointed forward and up
  • Long stares and refusal to break eye contact first
  • Raised hackles (hair in between shoulders)
  • Growling from deep within the body as opposed to a throat growl
  • Showing teeth
  • Guarding food and toys by snarling or chasing family members away
  • Excessive marking of territory or leg lifting
  • Stiff, slow movements that include a strange wag with tail held high
  • Biting of air near people
  • Possessiveness towards a certain area or piece of furniture, refusal to leave that spot that includes growling, barking and showing of teeth.
  • Shoving ‘weaker’ family members with shoulders or other forms of bullying
Dangerous Dogs & the law
As of 1991, all breeds or types of Pit Bull Terriers, Japanese Tosa, Dogo Argentino or Filo Braziliero must be registered, neutered, microchipped, tattooed and insured. "It is an offence to breed, sell, exchange or give away a dog of these breeds


If you illegally own one of these dogs, you can be hit with a maximum fine of £5,000 and/or six month's imprisonment.

Excellent topic btw,

I have an issue with dogs i aint a dog person but my partner is, we have a doberman lovely dog good temperment and very attentive but like footprint said they are so unpredictable,the doghas bitten my kids before, i told my partner GET RID OF THE DOG, he was adamant thatif he got a dog trainer that might do thetrick, like phuck...

He bit again,..this timehis nephew, my partner aint got no choice so hopefully it will be gone by the wk/end..i don,t know where to begin with dogs

They stink:

Shed hair like rain:

It's like a child (ihave 2 already don't need anymore)

Hoverin around when there is food

They are hindrance and a liability..

Don't get a dog around young children...
It's one thing to put up with a partners bad habits and very tolerant to live with a dog if you dont like them, but to put your kids in danger -come on?!

I really am restrainng my comments but seriously, i think you need to question why your childrens' welfare has come second to your boyfriends wants and why he is not concerned for their safety.


@ Ladyday,

maybe you could ask your friend to have the dog in a different room when you visit? if i were you i would trust my instinct because if anything were to happen you wouldnt forgive yourself.
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the doghas bitten my kids before, i told my partner GET RID OF THE DOG, he was adamant thatif he got a dog trainer that might do thetrick, like phuck...

He bit again,..this timehis nephew, my partner aint got no choice so hopefully it will be gone by the wk/end..i don,t know where to begin with dogs
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Are you seriously saying that the dog bit your children (that means more than one incident right?) and you still let it around your yard. I take it he is not the father? Unless he cares more about his nephews than his own kids, that he only considers letting the dog go until after it had bitten his nephew.
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If I were you I would be concerned that someone I was with did not have enough regard for my children that they put a dog above them and were will to 'take the risk of bringing the dog round them after the first incident......you know what I mean? In fact I am concerned that you, the mother, was willing to take the risk.
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Then the last point you make is 'Don't let a dog around young children' confused3
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Post imported post - 30-05-07, 10:53 PM

i am a life long dog hater and would never allow one around children. even if they are harmless lil puppies, there is still a risk of catching something from a dog bite

and as everyone on BN knows, i loves me my kitty!! (well, i will when i get a new one lol)

As for Miss saint thomas, no need for me to comment, coz all has already been said with regard to the conduct of your partners dog around your children.

and @ footprints, i hate when people have dogs the size of small horses running around without leashes and then wanna say the dog is harmless. I live near a park and hear it all the time. I don't care what they say, put the damn dog on a frigging leash!!! and not one of those ten yard leashes either!!

you know what i hate to see? some 12 year old or whatever, having to hold a leash with both hands and being walked by a dog who is clearly to large for them to handle. What if that dog picked up and attacked someone? what could the kid do to estrain it?


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Post imported post - 30-05-07, 10:59 PM

as a PS to my last post, about 15 years ago legislation was brought in which stated all "dangerous" dogs had to be on leashes and have muzzles. If that legislation had been enforced, fewer children would be being attacked.

Of course, with the "high profile" cases we have heard about, i think the children were attacked in the home, where a dog wouldn;t have had a muzzle or a leash on. But i am sure there are many other cases of children/adults being bitten in the street that probably don't even get reported.


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In most cases, its the OWNER not the DOG !!! If i got into a car, didnt really know how to drive it and accidently ran over someone would the car get blamed???

Ive yet tomeet a 'dangerous' dogwho has a good owner (and by that i dont mean all loved up with the dog, i meanaperson who knows how to train the dog etc)

Any animal can be dangrousa hamster can be !!. But ill trust a well trainned dog better than most people in the world these days.Some dogs may have deep rooted problems (proberbly caused by a person) and they should be put down, but most were just unlucky that an ignorant person decided a dog would look good.

I have a rottweiler and ive trained him well. All my family know how to treat the dog, like the lowest being in the house. And the dog knows his place, the cat even comes before the dog! Oh and by the way im a 18 female and no way could i control my dog if he was unruly but because ive trainned him so well i dont have that problem, he doesnt pull on the lead he walks at the same pace as me. (on my left to be exact !)

Rather than banning certain types of dogs which will solve nothing, they should give a license like a car...if you dont know how to train a dog then dont get one !

LadyDay, did your friend get the dog in a spur of the moment kind ofway of did you know months before hand he/she was getting it, do you think your friend knows or has reserched enough about dogs to be able to train it well. Do you think your friend would take the time out training a dog (believe me it not just aboutteaching a dog sit !). With all those things in mind and if your still in doubt i would ask your friendto keep the dog out of the room/house if you children are there.

And remember its unwize toleave young childrenunsupervisedaround a dog, no matter how well trainned !



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In most cases, its the OWNER not the DOG !!! If i got into a car, didnt really know how to drive it and accidently ran over someone would the car get blamed???
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If I walk past a stationary car without a driver in it, naturally I wouldn't expect the car to suddenly start rushing toward me and run me over (assuming the hand brake is on of course). Quitedifferent if someone was behind the wheel and it came rushing at me, because one would expect the driver to be in control of the car. Cars don't drive themselves.
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A dog, however, does not necessarily require'input' or 'intervention'from the owner to bite or attack someone. It is a living, breathing thing with the will to act............Quite unlike a car!
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If a drunk driver runs over and kills my child, I would naturally want the driver to get locked up (probably much worse in fact) but I would not demand for the car to be distroyed......since it is not likely to be a danger by itself.
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Not the case at all if a dog attacked and savaged my child. Sure, I would probably want some action taken against the owner, depending on how much blame for the attack could be put down to the owner's handling of the dog. But I would certainly expect the dog to be destroyed, because even without that owner around that dog has the perpensity to attack.
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I have a rottweiler and ive trained him well. All my family know how to treat the dog, like the lowest being in the house. And the dog knows his place, the cat even comes before the dog! Oh and by the way im a 18 female and no way could i control my dog if he was unruly but because ive trainned him so well i dont have that problem, he doesnt pull on the lead he walks at the same pace as me. (on my left to