insanity: Such a mentalcondition, as, either from the existence of delusions, or from incapacity to distinguish between right and wrong, with regard to any matterunderaction, does away with individual responsibility.



http://www.biology-online.org/dictionary/insanity







if someone told you that they were been held back, physically

by forces they could not see or articulate

and that these forces made them unable to live a normal (by their own standards) life

they said theywere denied rights to things which they believe enhance the quality of their lives and that of their offspring


they could feel the oppression

for them it was real

yet they treated their condition by ignoring it



how would you judge that persons mental state?






how do africans deal with the reality of racism?




do they confront it andbring in measures to eliminate the condition?

or do many just ignore it, leaving it to the political conscious militants


to implement cures on their "blacker than thou" chip shouldered selves?



for we, the masses have no sickness



everything is as it should be



saying to themselves"everyone has their own poltergeists


dont they?"

the crazy man, talks to himself

he is used to been ignored

for he is dis-enfranchised

he did not oppose the poltergeists

now they are his best and only friends

for are we not creatures of habit?




some call it the result of self hate

others, he smoked too much gunja

"his family breakdown was the trigger, that brought on the condition " dr brown stated




breadfruit wonders to himself...........

wasn't that the man who excused:

slavery

colonialism

the organised rape of his peoples resources -
everywhere on the planet

wasn't he the mad rass who spent his mental energies

building

believing

for and in those who undermined his humanity?

"the man mad from long time" i exclaim

or is such behavior

normal?

Deep and interesting contributions breadfruit. niceone.gif

thank you african

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so now my insanity has peaked

locked away from the world i meditate

my locks link me back to kemet

but the ancestors are dead



they stimulate me not

for i have become invisible

they can no longer see me



the drugs keep me high

but i'm higher than the chemicals rushing through my body

so high i feel nothing



is this life?

i dont have answers

they tell me to rationalise

irrational conditions



using rationale

created by irrational men



my daily ration

has no nourishment

it only sustains



they say i'm getting better



i guess their right

trillion dollar economies

cant be wrong



this Straitjacket hurts like hell

mmmmmmmmmmm. That's good... What do you do for a living? Is it sth artistic or is this just a hobby?

a life long pan africanist

just trying to be creative




part of my skill set is in the commercial implementation of binary bits



peace

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I don't see it as a mental condition because in United States Society Blacks found a way to measure it, the Whites in power acknowledge it and United States Exucutive order 11246 (Affirmative action), a law states that it is factual. By far it is no mental condition. I can fathom how peoples in certan African and Caribbean countries can say the notion seems absurd but in non black majority nations there is white skinned privilege, Overt racism and outright racial disrespect in media, text and more. In the Black majority Countries it is Black folks Blocking your progress.

A mental condition is different, far different but one legacy aspect of Racism/oppression is the notion that people who are often sheltered from it will come to expect those acts to take place and as a result resort to self handicapping, it becomes part of the socialization process for both the White power structure and the Black oppressed. People will complain and give up without trying and more. I see it on this site with people saying Blacks should avoid college, they dismiss the positives of many Public school systems and usually suggest this without a viable alternative. We live in a Capitalist world where if we are not competing then we simply become the welfare class or perish. We can't give up, many people are doing this, I think Cornel West called it Nhilism. I'm for a fight, I'm for going into the classrooms and changing these practices, I'm for withhold Black dollars from the corporations that discriminate and I'm for voting these people wh are for the Status quo out of office or outright physically hurting them to get parity.

There is a difference

Great summary brutha Baron. I think that in the West it would be a 'mental death' or just simply sad for any brutha or sista to take a nihilistic or teleological approach. I couldn't imagine doing that. Especially as I know many black parents tell their children to trust in God and grow up with 'God' in their house. You know what they say, you have to consider where these concepts come from, not everyone can apply them to their lives. They say anything that is not from God is from the Devil....these things like ouiji boards, seances, black magic... they are avoided and not acknowledged by many because they have too much respect for their relationship with God. I feel anyone not taking this nihilistic appproach would be doing exactly the same thing. ..... ....... . ......... ....... ..... ....... ..... ....... ....... ..... ...... ..... ....... ....... ...... ...... ........... ........ ....... .......... ..... ....... .Because nihilism is just like all these others things , IMO, to confuse you, and an approach, but not necessarily the truth. When I was a teenager, I used to buy all those girly magazines and Sistas style. Come haloween threre would be 'free ouiji boards/rune stones/horoscope books' and seance stories 'with every issue'... at first I read about it... but had too much religion instilled in me to believe it... it was too creepy, especially when the only thing you are familiar with of this kind is prayer. I read about it... I was curious...but then I thought "Calisto, you know this is rubbish... why waste you time...you have a religion. This is not good". There are many things in the West which are no good and bad influences, and fill your mind with rubbish. I think for any black to adopt nihilism, it's bad... and they should be careful of what they adopt or what is fed into their heads. Just because little 'Patrick or Jaimie' adopts it doesn't mean we should... blacks have too mant things to put in perspective to 'follow' nonsense and have defeatist attitudes. I'll never give up, what's the point..."The only way from here is down..." (if you get what I am saying).

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just some clarification

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what is it that you do not see as a mental condition?

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as my posts above were simple artistic observations and not statements on what is or is not reality, Quote: withina poetry forum

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i'm not getting your post

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we may need to create a new thread in another forum

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art does provoke thought

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Dont know if Im grabbing the wrong end of the stick here.

But our problem is definatley a problem of the mind. For me once the spirit has been defeated then you will accept any condition imposed on you. Defeated people have no solutions. And no vision or base for ingenuity which is surely needed in this post colonial/ slavery period and "great white way" which bombards us from cradle to grave.

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the above spoken words were the result of ideas around definition

and the power of metaphor

words like thoughts have energy

so when, like i, you see africans descend into a mental abyss

within systems built on their suffering

gifted people, with so much to offer humanity

wondering about the idealogies employed by the "mad"

are of interest


@mansa

total agreement warrior

the above successful african role model

has graciously offered to mentor me


i have been told by the authorities that this will definitely aid my rehabilitation and release from this secure unit

back to the world of the sane

rational thinking black mass


ainsley, they reassure me, only differs by a small degree

in the way his mental enegies are focused

and that of the mindset of the majority of africans in this country


material wealth and security before everything else they said




hes teaching me how to dance like an idiot tonight

i can't wait


i'm a lucky african


a mind is a terrible thing to waste!

i'm so glad i'm getting mine back

i have just spent 4 weeks with my latest mentor

a wonderful man with probably, one of the greatest intellects on the planet





through listening to him

i now know our problems have their roots in the racism of black people ontheir own

there is something inherent in us

that makes us inferior

i dont believe there is any solution or set of solutions to our developmental problems

we need to surrender and accept our place in the world


i feel so much better now

my mind is at peace

@mezemer

greetings sister

apparently this guy is for real


check out the madness below

peace african



http://www.blackchat.co.uk/theblackf...um9/15567.html

UK life blamed for ethnic schizophrenia

Many black patients have no biological reason for mental illness

African-Caribbean people are six times more likely than whites to be diagnosed as schizophrenic, but research shows this is nothing to do with biology.

A study by the Institute of Psychiatry has found that poor social conditions are causing black people to develop the symptoms of mental illness.

The experience of black people in the UK almost drives them mad
Professor Robin Murray

The high rates of black people inside Britain's psychiatric system has concerned both the medical profession, and the black community for many years.

And the government's mental health czar admitted the mental health system is institutionally racist.

Questioned on BBC Two's Newsnight, National Director of Mental Health, Professor Louis Appleby, said: "If by that you mean that the system operates to the disadvantage of some racial groups, I have no doubt about that.

"But that is not to say that individuals working in the system are deliberately racist because there's quite a lot of concern - there's no complacency in the mental health service about this.

"People are very concerned and very aware that we do not provide a satisfactory service for ethnic minorities," he added.

Professor Robin Murray says genetic differences offer no explanation
There is a hugely disproportionate number of black men inside the hostels, hospitals and secure units of Britain's mental health care system.

Many have the symptoms of schizophrenia, which can include erratic behaviour and feelings of paranoia.
Researchers from the Institute of Psychiatry investigated whether black people were somehow genetically more prone to schizophrenia.

The answer was no - they found rates among black people in the Caribbean were identical to the white population to the UK.
Biological reason

They also searched for some other biological reason, such as brain damage at birth, head injury or drug abuse.
But when they compared the backgrounds of black patients they were actually less likely to have suffered this kind of injury than white patients and were no more likely to be drug users.

In fact, although 75% of white patients with schizophrenia had some biological reason for their illness, in black patients it was only 25%.

Nobody has ever bothered to find out whether the diagnosis of schizophrenia is as valid in the African-Caribbean community as it is in the white community
Dr Kwame Mackenzie
Brain scans revealed that white patients were three times more likely to have something obviously wrong with their brain than black patients.

The researchers came to the conclusion that it was possible that the psychiatric profession may sometimes be misinterpreting the behaviour of black patients who are not mentally ill, but struggling to cope with social adversity.

Professor Robin Murray, from the Institute of Psychiatry, said: "It seems to be something in the social environment, something about being black in Britain.

"The experience of black people in the UK almost drives them mad."



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/807945.stm

Laws are no stronger than their enforcers. The same people who pass those laws are the same people who are responsible for enforcing them. If the people who enforce the laws no longer decide to do so, laws are of no value and have no power.

Ultimately, then, fairness rests not in laws but in the activities of people and in the attitude and consciousness of people.

Therefore, if the people who are responsible for enforcing those laws change their attitudes then the treatment of those people whose freedom is protected by those so-called laws is changed as well.

We cannot put our faith in White man’s law and the laws enforced by Whites. I have warned and it bears repeating that if there comes day when the society has to make a choice between feeding White children and feeding Black children, no amount of civil rights laws or any other laws on the books will prevent those people from feeding their children first. It is a silly faith we have in laws.

For Black people in the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s to still rest their freedom on the basis of laws when history itself shows us that this cannot be done, we must question our sanity and what we have learned from the study of our
history.�


Amos N. Wilson

The spirit is a manifestationof forces within

Good thoughts produce joy, but beware that's all sin



The order of the worker, produces disorders of the head

To dissent is to question, the reality of the dead



For the living seek life,andit's fruit inherently taught

Unto men who die young and women who fear naught



Good thoughts produce joy, but beware that's all sin

The spirit is a manifestationof forces within

"I have come to the conclusion that the majority of Afrikan men and women in the UK -- and most certainly in places like the USA and Caribbean, and most probably in Afrika -- are 'functionally mentally ill'. By this I mean that whilst most people in this category can function effectively at a certain level, i.e. hold down a job, obey the rules and laws of society, maintain social relationships over a prolonged period time, use their cognitive skills to solve various problems, there is something fundamentally wrong or missing at the heart of their psyche. This affective gap manifests itself in a deep-seated but unrecognised sense of racial inferiority, an inability to admire the Afrikan physiological and cultural aesthetic, a lack of racial self-esteem and confidence and a profound difficulty in working effectively with other Afrikans, often induced by the inability to trust one another.

This functional mental illness is one of the main reasons that most Afrikan controlled countries are economic and social basket cases. It explains the widespread use of skin bleaching agents by Afrikan women and why Afrikan women who 'go natural' with their hair often provoke such enormous and negative emotional reactions from other women who use chemicals to straighten their hair, or who wear wigs, weaves, extensions etc. It explains why Afrikans find it so hard to forgive each other and yet can forgive Caucasians in South Afrika (and other places) for their atrocities without any strong demand for justice or reparations. It explains why we are in such a mess and yet so many of us think we are 'doing well' as individuals. It explains why so many Brothers think that 'things' will help them to feel whole and never learn the lessons when they don't.

It is time for a rethink. Time to get down beneath the rhetoric and the kente cloth (or Versace) and deal with the pain. Deal with the pain of being rejected by your absent father, the pain of never being hugged by your physically present but emotionally absent father, the pain of belonging to a defeated and oppressed race, the pain of having to go to your oppressor for the means to live, the pain of a lifetime of insults and accusing looks, the pain of being rejected by your women, the pain of somehow feeling less than a man. We are a group of men who have been conquered and we have failed in our single most important task, namely the protection and defence of our community. However, no matter that many battles have been lost, the war continues apace. Can we face ourselves in the mirror of our ancestors and those yet to be born and summon the will and self-belief to win? For win we must. You cannot have an honourable defeat at the hands of white supremacy.

Let's do some healing and some cleansing and build a nation of men our women and children can be proud of.

Paul Ifayomi Grant
N1ggers, Negroes, Black People & Afrikans

i agree with this statement to a certain extent, yes black people are inferioring in western society, but in our own country we are recognised.
i believe black people are aspiring in western society, we are endeavouring to become a race transpiring from the past to the present.

We as black people used to think we weren't equal but far from the truth we are all leaders. Leaders of the future the future is ours to take, take as much as you like for this is our cake. No need to cry my sisters and brothers I will share my piece with you if your having trouble making your own because that is the way forward working together as one.
Platinum Tears 2010 working hard for us all to eat cake