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Default The BlackMan does not Understand the world - 30-12-08, 09:40 PM



New Pastor Manning - "The BlackMan does not Understand the world and Obama is not Black". This is sad, funny, and some parts are true...but mostly just funny.

But he said that black people don't understand the world, according to him a black man with a medical degree and a common criminal has the same level of understanding of how the world works. Is this true?

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Default 30-12-08, 11:23 PM

According to him the black man didnt build anything above 1 storey and nothing in stone before the white man came. And Egypt is not in Africa.

But this is what a christian education can do to you.
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Default 30-12-08, 11:50 PM

I'm glad he is doing that in the role of a Black Christian minister.

Egypt isn't in Africa???

I hate to have to say it but the Black churches usually came across as dumber than the White Catholic church that I stopped attending decades ago.

Is that whole thing supposed to be a comedy? Too stupid for funny to me.


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don't amuse this monkey(not the poster...but this so called Rev.)



he's a clown who eventually will regret his coon ways...


and yep...i called him a monkey and a coon
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Default 31-12-08, 03:13 PM

Well he is factually incorrect. Africa did use to have some very prosperous countries before colonialism. As for saying that Egypt is not a part of Africa that really is a stupid or a very ignorant thing to say.

He made a valid point about corruption today and about the way that some African countries are progressing today but it is hard to take him seriously because what he said was full of inaccuracies.

Maybe some black people do feel inferior to white people in some way but not every black person is like this.

As for his attack on Obama that was pretty lame.
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don't amuse this monkey(not the poster...but this so called Rev.)



he's a clown who eventually will regret his coon ways...


and yep...i called him a monkey and a coon

Exactly, this dude simply needs to be ignored. I've seen many of his videos and I get the feeling he's on the payroll more than anything else.

This attention whore's aim is just to get a rise out of the community and nothing more. When Obama ignored him after he insulted his (Obama's) family and called Obama a half breed, he made some video trying to taunt Obama even more, as if Obama would even dignify this coon with a response. He thrives on getting folks angry, therefore the best weapon against him is silence and to not rise to the bait. Eventually this filthy dog will get tired and stop barking.


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I hate to have to say it but the Black churches usually came across as dumber than the White Catholic church that I stopped attending decades ago.
Thats what I'm saying, the church started that whole attack on our culture bit but have long since it up only for the Black chruch to affectionately take its place and expound on their euro centric trash in our countries all in the name of religion.... shame on them for real.

Bunch of ill minded attention seekers.
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Default 31-12-08, 08:29 PM

What is really frightening is that this fool has a PH'D..in what? and who was dumb enough to give him one?

Plus he doesn't even realise that he is contradicting himself, if a Black man does not understand the world, why in the hell should we listen to him as according to him he is stupid as the rest of us....like duh!!!


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Default 31-12-08, 09:20 PM

After hearing the silly ass rantings of james lee peterson what the hell do i want to hear more babblings from another clown ass preacher? Makes me wonder where they dig these fools up from.
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My, my my . . .

That this “preacher” is a buffoon is a self-evident fact that requires little discussion. However, what is more interesting than the religious idiot on display is how some of the Village intelligentsia have gone on record to declare him
1) Representative of Black Christianity, or
2) A product of a “Christian Education”

Moreover, above, the Black Church is referred to as “dumb” and the preachers associated with it are “ill minded attention seekers.” Wow!

Herein lies the problem with responding to or even taking the time to reflect on the words of a fool, the respondent is unwittingly drawn into an infinitely regressive slippery slope of inductive reasoning and blanket condemnation, all the while experiencing an indescribable feeling of superiority for exposing the fool. I believe that this can be best described as the “scapegoat” effect.

A credible African American scholar once said that African Americans have really only had three longstanding and enduring institutions since our arrival in America: nightclubs, hair salons/barber shops, and the church. That’s right, these are our big three. The church is clearly a great paradox in the lives of African Americans. On the one hand, it has raped, maimed and destroyed African lives and lifestyles in the name of Christianity. On the other hand, it set the captives free, fed the poor Black masses and was at the forefront of the Civil Rights Movement.

Don’t get me wrong, I am the last one to defend the harms of European White Supremacy as manifested through its spiritual arm called the Church but I’ll be d—mned if I’m going to stand by on the virtual eve of the inauguration of America’s first Black President and let heads piss on the institution that produced Nat Turner, Frederick Douglass, Harriet Tubman, Jarena Lee and MLK, just to name a few.

The act of associating the demagogue of “Atlah” with mainstream Black Christianity only proves that some cats have neglected to do their homework on African American spirituality. But, of course, perhaps I have misunderstood some of what is written above or maybe the above is the product of some cruel New Year’s Eve joke being played on African Americans. If I am in error, please accept my apologies.

Deuces on both . . .

Happy New Year!

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Where is your evidence that the church produced them?

What if there is another explanation? Maybe the church just can't sabotge some souls.


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What is really frightening is that this fool has a PH'D..in what? and who was dumb enough to give him one?

Plus he doesn't even realise that he is contradicting himself, if a Black man does not understand the world, why in the hell should we listen to him as according to him he is stupid as the rest of us....like duh!!!
right on brother....the epitome of an imbecile...this joker is just trying to draw a crowd...unlike peterson, the white folk won't come out in front for this dope..


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Thats what I'm saying, the church started that whole attack on our culture bit but have long since it up only for the Black chruch to affectionately take its place and expound on their euro centric trash in our countries all in the name of religion.... shame on them for real.

Bunch of ill minded attention seekers.
how can the church be blamed for this dumb azz just because he is seen ranting and babbling in one church building? idiots often get through the cracks and end up saying things that are so asinine that the school, institution, organisation will be questioned as being legitimate.

jessi jackson has basically evolved into a babbling fool and was behing the microphone supposively commenting on the obama campaign...should we say that who ever gave a mic to jessi supports his rantings?

the church does have some fools who grace the podium as do all bully pulpits..


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FYI,

This fool's 'Phd' isn't from any accredited institution. His own organization (that he started) awarded him the fake 'Doctor' title.

I saw him on some show (or heard him on some station) and he admitted it.


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FYI,

This fool's 'Phd' isn't from any accredited institution. His own organization (that he started) awarded him the fake 'Doctor' title.

I saw him on some show (or heard him on some station) and he admitted it.
does not suprise me BG, what does is that he would be speaking in front of black people. who ever selected this dolt as speaker is suspect....big time...


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Well meknow,

Just when you think you've seen it all, along comes something new. When this man first hit youtube, I got so mad... And then Hannity, some local television and radio stations got a hold of him and really played him up right before the election.

But ain't no use getting our pressure up. He is who he is. I'm just glad I'm not him and not a part of his congregation. If I used up my Sunday morning going to listen to him I would really be trippin.


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Well meknow,

Just when you think you've seen it all, along comes something new. When this man first hit youtube, I got so mad... And then Hannity, some local television and radio stations got a hold of him and really played him up right before the election.

But ain't no use getting our pressure up. He is who he is. I'm just glad I'm not him and not a part of his congregation. If I used up my Sunday morning going to listen to him I would really be trippin.
i had not heard of him...thank God....


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However, what is more interesting than the religious idiot on display is how some of the Village intelligentsia have gone on record to declare him
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Isn't it somewhat representive of the non sence pastors spew about African religions in order to keep their seats full and their people digesting food from their troff?
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According to you the church helped liberate us but who had a hand in our enslavement in the first place? Didn't the church invest in it all? Whos missionaries who entroached upon Africa with the intent to crucify and divide us? Yet they helped us while destorying our minds and further tearing us from ourselves in the process... if our cause had been headed by a group intrested in preserving our culture rather than the church where would we be? Minus the, ''safe negro'' badge to grant us pass into their faulse utiopia? We'd still be fighting for our freedom and basic rights... no diffrent than we are now.
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It seems only religious institutions can get away with mass murder and continue with the same drivel 500 years later. Go to any Black Church and its the same thing, if you want to be christian thats fine but as someone whos intrested in culture and so on I resent it when people think they have the right to debase anothers culture in favor of their own want for membership as it were... goes against their teachings and shows their true nature in my opinion.

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Where is your evidence that the church produced them?

What if there is another explanation? Maybe the church just can't sabotge some souls.



Dear Mr. Umbrarchist,

Evidence? Why on earth would I feel compelled to present “evidence” when my original claims have yet to be called into question? It is one thing to interject the idea of alternate causality into a discussion, it is entirely another to back it up with specific ideas and practical examples; something you failed to do.
None of my claims are controversial and all of them are well attested to by mainstream African American scholarship, current and old. Make your case for what other American, African American, or African institutions generated Black leaders in America and I will respond accordingly. When and if this discussion ever reaches the practical plain of existence where the lives of Black people are hanging on our every word, then, let’s present our evidence. In the meantime, I only ask of others what I am prepared to do myself: be specific and use example.

By the way, you have always intrigued me: in your cryptic, almost poetic queries, with very little you always manage to say so much. Your illuminating reflections on science and technology are only out done by your witty and dryly sardonic witticisms on science fiction and religion (especially the hypocrisy that often accompanies the latter of the two).

I must say, however, that I have never met a disgruntled Catholic of any ethnic background who did not leave the Catholic Church with a hair up their respective asses regarding the relevance and authenticity of all organized religion. Hence, I will take your criticisms with a grain of salt understanding that you just can’t help yourself.

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I must say, however, that I have never met a disgruntled Catholic of any ethnic background who did not leave the Catholic Church with a hair up their respective asses regarding the relevance and authenticity of all organized religion. Hence, I will take your criticisms with a grain of salt understanding that you just can’t help yourself.
Since I have never been baptized I can't even qualify as a Christian much less a Catholic. I attended a Catholic grade school and high school but I decided I was an agnostic at 12. That is what a science fiction education will do for you. Introduce you to ideas totally outside of the approved box.

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By the way, you have always intrigued me: in your cryptic, almost poetic queries, with very little you always manage to say so much. Your illuminating reflections on science and technology are only out done by your witty and dryly sardonic witticisms on science fiction and religion (especially the hypocrisy that often accompanies the latter of the two).
So I am a poet

and don't know it.

But my feet show it

because they are long fellows. 11 1/2

The vast majority of sci-fi was written by smarter than normal White guys and I bet plenty of them didn't get along that well with NORMAL White guys. This resuslts in a somewhat bifurcated perspective which I found very curious since, being Black, I am not part of the officially approved paradigm of reality anyway. Just another invisible man.

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Evidence? Why on earth would I feel compelled to present “evidence” when my original claims have yet to be called into question? It is one thing to interject the idea of alternate causality into a discussion, it is entirely another to back it up with specific ideas and practical examples; something you failed to do.
To pick on the Catholic Church doesn't the Pope and cardinals and bishops qualify as a heirarchy of leadership? But what direction do they have besides psychologically conditioning children to be followers throughout their adult lives? The leadership is actually more about psychological suppression and that is what it looked like when I was on the receiving end. One nun told me I would get into a good high school but I wouldn't do well. I got straight D's in religion my freshman year. I thought it was very funny next to my straight A's in math.

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Holy Angels School, run by the very effective Black African American Priest Father Clemens ran a very successful school - and father Clemens didn't put up with any nonsense amongst the students or outsides trying to cause trouble, corruption. Father Clemens did not allow any gang activity inside or outside the school nor did he allow corruptions like this nut case, Afro Centric Liberation theology - hate white cult run by Jeremiah Wright and financial supported by Barack Obama.
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Institutionalized leadership is more about conditioning followership than going anywhere.

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None of my claims are controversial and all of them are well attested to by mainstream African American scholarship, current and old. Make your case for what other American, African American, or African institutions generated Black leaders in America and I will respond accordingly.
40 years after the moon landing and what has all of this scholarship told Black Americans about the planned obsolescence of automobiles? Can anyone that understands technology not know about that? John Kenneth Galbraith wrote about it in 1959 in one of his most famous books, The Affluent Society. MX and MLK could have both read it. What did either of them say about science technology and economics?

I am more interested in knowledge distribution to support individual thought. That is why I mention everyone understanding accounting not just advocate Black business. Though I still think Blacks standardizing on Linux would be a good idea.

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my journey is far less impressive or as complicated as your's.

had good grades at my all black school. my sister used to play teacher with me and taught me my alphabets and counting before i entered school. ended up being a very impressive first grader.

no religious studies there.

only other thing of note was in 1967 when the white people were trying to ward off desegragation i was asked to attend their school to give them to quota of blacks to keep from having to mix. i declined, i think about 6 went and two years later the decree was ordered i think.

when i left home to go to college i had determined to never go to a church again. but it was a part of freshman orientation to attend bible study every Saturday morning. I went the first time and found that the class was so large that a roll call was impossible. there was a roster passed around and you just had to sign. I had several girls who would check for me to make sure my name was signed off and never went again.

i did have an incident in Biology though that stirred something in me. Dr. Yada an Indian made mention of the Big Bang in the lec. that day. I went home thinking about it and it was still on my mind when one of my room mates came home with some pretty strong grass.

around 8:00 that evening we had a pretty livily discussion going on. a couple of law student friends were there and I think it was Kant or Descartes quote of "I think therefore I am that got things going hot". In the course of the discussion i could never resign myself to accept that the big bang could have been the beginning. my simple little old country mind was telling me that in order for their to be an explosion of the order they were tending to make us accept their had to be something in existance. i still am hung up on that.

my religious education took place late in life as I never did church seriously until around '86. went to an non traditional baptist church where a guy was taking the bible line by line, precept by precept and explained the bible to where it began to make sense to me. and taught us how to study for ourselves. one thing you will notice still in most churches is that many preachers do not incourage to congregation to bring bibles to church or study for themselves. when they do a sermon it is mostly read off paper with the bible lying underneath.

the majority of christian 'sermons' on sunday is mostly good advice and words to comfort the sinners about how God loves them inspite of their faults. that setting is for bible instructions so that we believers can be able to minister in our daily lives by example and sometymes discussion. we do a terrible job of that as a whole. when i go out witnessing, it is sometimes way down in the conversation before i can give one scripture.

not long ago i got tied up with a couple of muslims and we went on and on about what the bible said. they kept bringing up what they thought were bible quotes and could not find one. and after they had the chance i would find the scripture that they had gotten mixed up or taken out of context. but they were still dogmatic about islam. i believe islam does more teaching about what the bible says and does not say than they do the koran.

i think science and christianity can co exist. science sometimes takes strong faith to believe in what you are trying to develop or discover just as it is the life blood of christianity...


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In the course of the discussion i could never resign myself to accept that the big bang could have been the beginning. my simple little old country mind was telling me that in order for their to be an explosion of the order they were tending to make us accept their had to be something in existance. i still am hung up on that.
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Curious About Astronomy: If the universe is 15 billion years old, how can it be larger than 15 billion light years across?

I don't get that business about inertial frames and creating space but I don't think of scientist as priests any more than I think of priests as priests. I suspect that quite often these scientists are trying to get us to believe their theories which they have no way to test.

I find this really hilarious:
Physicists Debate the Merits of String Theory : NPR

In my freshman year I got in a conversation with a senior in physics. We weren't under the influence of anything to make the conversation exceptionally interesting, but I was saying I just couldn't really wrap my mind around the idea of time slowing down as light speed was approached. He said you don't really try to understand it you just apply the equations. At the time I found that a rather shocking statement. I couldn't see the point of studying it if the objective wasn't to understand it. But let's face it, most people are going to school so they can get a job later. Just because someone has a science degree doesn't mean they are brilliant.

So when scientists start getting really close to the edge of the known I take what they say with a few grains of salt because I can't tell when someone is really brilliant and has a good chance of being right and when they are a mediocrity blowing smoke. Having FAITH in science just makes it another religion. Even if there is intelligent life on a planet they find 100 lightyears away, it will take 200 years to get a message back. I'll be dead. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. I can accept that the Big Bang is just a good speculation. I am not going to study it enough to raise my opinion no matter what the scientists say.

Scientists buy cars but they don't say squat about planned obsolescence. How are we supposed to talk about global warming without mentioning the pollution form MANUFACTURING automobiles. They're assholes.

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"this is true" an old friend used to say without qualification at the drop of a hat...

on faith...it is very dangerous to put trust in anything. blind faith anyway...you have all types of examples of people who put their faith in men, nations, armies, riches and a great example for just now is the stock market...not many people would have kept from laughing if you had tried to warn them of a catastrophe occurring as it has globally like it has this time last year.

the mere number that one man has been suggested to have cost people who had faith in his dealing with the system for them...$50,000,000,000.00

they say he played the confidence game so well that he was always telling them that he was not taking anymore clients...thus the people who were already in with him were made to feel that they had power and influence with this "great" man to be able to convince him to take them on at their behest.

how many suicidal sects have gotten men destroyed over the centuries? jim jones comes to mind easily and there are certainly those who were not christians. how many men were led to destruction because they went on quests sang into their souls by confidence men about riches and adventure? and on and on it goes, putting faith in a thing or person is not a thing to be done lightly to be sure.

I love my wife, but because i have lived with her and know that she is capable of failure and falling for the illusion i do not totally trust not questioning some things with her and i am sure it is the same with her. as we grow old and feeble it will be of necessity that will have to. but as you will see later it will be with our trust being in a higher calling that we can entrust our being to each other at that time (but there is no person that has anything close to the trust that i do have for her). i loved my parents and can say that as a young boy i trusted every thing that they told me until i left home. i still had respect to them but my mother would always tell her friends that he is respectful but he is going to do what he wants to. and i was honest with them when they asked me what i did in any situation, and it hurt at first but they began to appreciate the honesty that we had.

i do not trust the government, my employer, my children, any organization or what ever in most things. to some degree i have to deal with a measure of faith in them but i am prepared for anything at all times.

But i can say this, that there is one thing that I have full trust and confidence in, even blind faith to no end. and that is my faith in Jesus Christ as my savior. i am not ashamed to tell you or anyone that i believe as i do. i do not fear telling any one such. i am not worried about what that makes you think of me as a person.

the matter has been tried and satisfied in my spirit which as i said has alway been unafraid and a questioning one. so it is with complete confidence that i can relay that without reservation to people who far out excel me in knowledge and intellect.

one thing i do know for sure as you were talking about scientist who get carried away possibly, i have learned that some of the most brilliant men of learning lack one thing that could put them off the chart so to speak...common sense or mother wit as some in our community used to say.

peace brother um...


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Dear Mr. Agu Bu Oji

In a world where religious zealots are viewed as biased and lacking a basic ability to think objectively, the pseudo-intellectual religion critic is equally zealous and lacking in objectivity as he rages against the God-machine. The pseudo-intellectual critique almost always includes a demonization of the other side in almost irredeemable terms. Hence your comments that Black preachers:
-“Are a bunch of ill minded attentions seekers”
- Or that they “spew about African religions in order to keep their seats full and their people digesting food from their troff”
-Or that they epitomize the “’safe negro’ . . . grant[ing] us pass into their [i.e., white’s] faulse utiopia?”
-Or finally, regarding the church, that “. . . only religious institutions can get away with mass murder and continue with the same drivel 500 years later. Go to any Black Church and its the same thing . . .”

are received and noted within their proper context.

Indeed, your observations about the Black Church in America are so out-of-touch with mainstream Black Christianity that they leave one to wonder if you gleaned them from watching Hollywood caricatures of preachers such as, James Brown in “The Blues Brothers” or Arsenio Hall in “Coming to America.” They are so absurd that they will surely leave many wondering if you have ever set foot in an African American Church before? In any case, it is now apparent that you don’t know much about the Black Church in America but simply see red when the subject of religion is brought up.

Please do not misunderstand my perspective; I do not judge you, quite the contrary, at some level I can relate. Our ability to deconstruct these religions and the ways in which they altered our course in history is a sign of our progress and mental liberation. Nonetheless, progress is always accompanied by a host of unexpected social and intellectual developments. In this case, it is the development of the pseudo-intellectual religion critique. This critique masquerades as progressive insight when in reality it is a hate-filled response to centuries of oppression and repression conducted in the name of the religion in question. This critique is caught in a redundant evaluation of what was “lost” and really comes across as more of a lament than a critique. Hence its characterizations and criticisms are more cathartic and ideological than they are analytical. While the following examples may not directly correlate with religion, it might be useful to imagine the Hutu’s extreme characterizations of the Tutsi, the German’s characterization of the Jews, and the western world’s characterization of the Muslim.

In closing, it is somewhat disappointing that in spite of your less than-novice understanding of the African American experience you continue to debase it with reckless abandon. Naturally if you have some substantive critique of the Black Church to offer, I would be more than happy to debate the merits of your position. But up to this point, you have failed to provide any specific examples to support your claims that the Black American Churches are: a) engaged in a war on our culture; or, b) expounding “Eurocentric trash in the name of religion.” Moreover, your tone is rude and downright disrespectful to your brothuhs and sistuhs on the other side of the pond. It never ceases to amaze me how some of our more “conscious” thinkers have still failed to grasp the basic principles of respect.

Lastly, instead of debating the merits, or the lack of such, with regards to the African American Black Church, perhaps we should redeem ourselves from the “The Matrix” entirely, if you will, and ask the critical question, “What legacies of Colonialism and Slavery have influenced two members of the African Diaspora, perhaps even two Diasporic Groups, to hold such diametrically opposed views of the church and how is it that these groups are so willing to degrade each other over what the imperialists left behind?”

Thank you for reading,

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Mr. Umbrarchist,

Thank you for your reply. Correct me if I am wrong, but to the best of my understanding, we were addressing the question (see post #11 above): “what institution[s] produced Black leaders in America?” Your post above, however, has conveniently forgotten this issue choosing instead to pick up the “preachers are against African culture” discussion.

Suffice it to say that, one would be really hard pressed to find another incubator for African American leadership other than the church because neither the nightclub nor the hair scene can boast an environment where individuals are actively encouraged to reflect on the themes of freedom and improved quality of life (although with the advent of hip/hop this has changed in recent years).

The best argument to be made against this position has not been made by anyone in this thread. It really involves proving that the practices of the African American church are really the disguised practices of West Africa; and that, the slaves merely adapted their old traditions to fit in with Christian ones. Albert J. Raboteau made some good arguments in this regard in his book “Slave Religion.” But, this still makes the church a kind of conservator of African culture and hence, renders it valuable once again. Any way you slice it, homage must be paid to the Black Church.

In the absence of any formidable opposition to my easily proven claim that African Americans have really only had three enduring institutions in America: the nightclub, the beauty salon/barber shop, and the church, and that the church is responsible for a host of notable Black leaders such as Sojourner Truth, Denmark Vesey and Barack Obama, just to name a few, I will consider the matter closed.

Now, on to your new claims:

Thank you for your general reflections on the Pope and his Church but I find your comparison of the Black Church (by Black Church, I mean only to refer to Black Christian Churches in America) and the Catholic Church to be somewhat inappropriate. The ranking of the Black Church as “dumber” than the Catholic Church strangely makes this White Supremacist Religious institution the religious standard by which all others should be measured. It is exceedingly inductive to reason that the Catholic Church, stained with the blood of countless millions of Africans and Indians, rich as a result of conquests and imperialism, saturated with theological dogma that equates whiteness with purity and blackness with evil, and steeped in a liturgy that still pays homage to its cultural progenitor, the Roman Empire has anything in common with the Black Church besides a belief in Christ.

Yes, you could make the argument that Black Christianity is merely a white-washed Black-faced variation on White Christianity but that type of reasoning is as simplistic as saying that Hip/Hop is the same as Country Music because they both employ the English language; or that English, the lingua franca of British imperialism, is intrinsically evil and likely to make the speaker prone to acts of oppression.

Likewise, your article about Father Clemons is interesting but hardly representative of mainstream Black Christianity, which, by the way, happens to be overwhelmingly dominated by Protestants, mostly Baptists and Pentecostals. A Catholic Priest? His Catholic affiliation already makes him a rare and obscure figure in the African American community. Measuring the state of African American Christianity by observing this fool is like looking out of your window on a winter day and observing how the white people are dressed to determine whether or not it is cold outside. It does not make sense. Moreover, how do you know that Jeremiah Wright is not the norm for Black Church in America?

And why should we expect Father Clemons, a man steeped in the traditions of one of the oldest known White Supremacists institutions on the planet, the Catholic Church, to have any appreciation for the spiritual/political/cultural resistance of Black Christianity as manifested through Jeremiah Wright? Shouldn’t we expect them to clash? Father Clemons stands upon more than a thousand years of tradition, he must feel a great sense of rightness about his beliefs and practices and he is going to shun variation, especially if it can be dismissed as “Black Theology,” translated: political, tainted theology. Afrocentrism is his enemy. This is exactly the attitude that Mr. Black Lion is referring to. I get it! All I’m saying is that the voice of the Griot lives on through the Black Church and consequently an entirely different voice has emerged. It set the stage for Black leadership, Rhythm & Blues, hip/hop and spoken word poetry.

Thank you for reading,

Peace!
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