The Koran - Page 2

Lexi · (#26 (**permalink**))

a Why does the quran have to be in arabic.This impliess that everyone should learn arabic and the quran should be in arabic alone.That's a form of ignorance.I thought muslims wanted to spread the gospel.But No!

I think your hindering you own religion and you dont even know it.There are alot of muslims who quote things on this site but not in arabic because they understand there is a language barrier that needs to be broken down. obviously allah (if all knowing) knew that people were going to have diverse languages.If allahs words are really effective he will make it effective in every language because apparently he is all powereful so shouldn't he have the power to do that on his own?

If a muslim translator translates the koran it may not be agood thingneither because the will be biased about the various words they use.It may be out of context and highly exaggerated.

imported_Seventh_Angel · (#27 (**permalink**))

In the Name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful...the Best Knower.

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a Why does the quran have to be in arabic.This impliess that everyone should learn arabic and the quran should be in arabic alone.That's a form of ignorance.I thought muslims wanted to spread the gospel.But No!

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Lexi, this reasoning is flawed. If it is the Bible that you subscribe to, what Language is it in? English, no doubt. Which one of God's Prophets spoke ENGLISH? NOT ONE. The Words that were revealed to the Prophets were revealed to them IN THEIR OWN LANGUAGE. So then, the OLD Testament revelations, most scholars agree, were revealed in HEBREW, which is a Sister-Language of ARABIC. The New Testament was originally written in Hebrew and Aramaic, BUT, the TRANSLATORS would have you believe the original text was GREEK...which is not true. Jesus did not speak GREEK nor ENGLISH.

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Now, it is a matter of LINGUISTIC FACT that when you translate from a superior language to an inferior language, or even an equally expressive Language,invariably, some of the original meaning of what is being translated will be "lost" in the translation.

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So what we have, let's say, in the New Testament, where the words are attributed to Jesus, we must remember that Jesus NEVER SPOKE ENGLISH. So, to fully understand what Jesus was saying, we would have to LEARN the Language that JESUS spoke - which, again, was NOT Greek - and then study his words from his own language.

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Now, Since most of us are either unable or unwilling to take up such a study, then we have to rely on TRANSLATIONS. And as with any translated text, the more translations we can draw from, the broader and clearer our understanding will be of what is actually being said in the text.

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My point here is that your criticism is BASELESS, since to properly understand the BIBLE, you, too, would have to LEARN the Language that it was ORIGINALLY revealed in.

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The Holy Qur'an was revealed in ARABIC because it was revealed to a Man and a People who SPOKE Arabic. Simple.

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I think your hindering you own religion and you dont even know it.There are alot of muslims who quote things on this site but not in arabic because they understand there is a language barrier that needs to be broken down. obviously allah (if all knowing) knew that people were going to have diverse languages.

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...Which is why the Qur'an IS Translated into SEVERAL languages...so that ALL may have an opportunity to benefite from Allah's Guidance. No matter what language you or I speak, we STILL must STUDY to gain proper understanding. Heck...there are people who speak ARABIC who do not fully understand the Qur'an...lol.

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If allahs words are really effective he will make it effective in every language because apparently he is all powereful so shouldn't he have the power to do that on his own?

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HUH???

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If a muslim translator translates the koran it may not be agood thingneither because the will be biased about the various words they use.It may be out of context and highly exaggerated.

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History shows us that the so-called "Christian" scholar or "western" scholar has the greatest tendency to misrepresent Islam...to have a negative bias. So there translations cannot be trusted. Muslims have no incentive to corrupt the text, since they were appointed as Guardians and threatened with punishment if they violated it.

LadyDay · (#28 (**permalink**))

seventh angel that makes no sense. ignore human linguistics. fact of the matter is you wil better understand anything in your first tongue/language.

imported_Seventh_Angel · (#29 (**permalink**))

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seventh angel that makes no sense. ignore human linguistics. fact of the matter is you wil better understand anything in your first tongue/language.

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The fact that it does not make sense to YOU,does not make it untrue. You are welcome to try to prove what I said to be other than true. But I must say ahead of time that you cannot prove or disprove an analysis of the NATURE of things using only OPINION.

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Oft-times, Calculus "makes no sense" to a student who is still in "pre-algebra".

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LadyDay · (#30 (**permalink**))

its not about proving YOU or anyone wrong. its about common sense. yes it may be my opinion but everything you write is YOUR opinion and not neccessarily fact.

In the name of Jesus, God Bless

Mad Rhetoric · (#31 (**permalink**))

Please somebody, Muslim. Help me to understand something. I still don't understand how a Muslim can quote bible verses that condemn me as a Christian; the same bible that preaches Christ you use, but all in an attempt to prove,often times, that he is just a mere prophet(he is not) help me to grasp this concept.

LadyDay · (#32 (**permalink**))

mad rhetoric that is a goooooooooood question

you shouldve started a new thread. whoever answers it will be interesting.

imported_Seventh_Angel · (#33 (**permalink**))

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Please somebody, Muslim. Help me to understand something. I still don't understand how a Muslim can quote bible verses that condemn me as a Christian; the same bible that preaches Christ you use, but all in an attempt to prove,often times, that he is just a mere prophet(he is not) help me to grasp this concept.

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Salaam, M.R....

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FIRST, I think you are making a mistake by ASSUMING that you are being condemned. I don't doubt that what you say happens in some situations, but that is not MY motivation.

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If you are lost, and you pull out your road map, and based on how you interpret the map, you set out on a course to reach your destination; and if I come along and we begin to talk and you tell me of your situation, and I happen to know the area a little better than you, am I "condemning" you for trying to show you how to properly read the map? Or am I trying to HELP you? We may never come to an agreement on how the map should be interpreted, but you would not ever think I came to condemn you.

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You see, ever since the Crusades, and even before then, there has been such a tradition of hatred and antagonism between religions, that "religious" people have gotten used to the idea that "if they're different, they're the enemy". So now, when we meet even today, we meet each other with a preconceived bias which causes us to be overly apprehensive of one another; so that even when someone from a different view tries to HELP us, we INTERPRET as an ATTACK...and it's not necessarily so.

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While it is true that people do use their INTERPRETATION of God's Will and Word as a stick to beat others up with, that is not the case here, I assure you.

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My only desire is to help others see the TRUTH of what is there. Pointing out what I believe is a misinterpretation is NOT the same as "condemning" you as a Christian. I am a better "Christian", NOW, than I ever was...and I'm a Muslim. Makes perfect sense, once we UNDERSTAND.

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SECOND, If the Bible is only for "Christians", then it can't be from GOD. If the Qur'an is only for "Muslims", then it can't be from GOD. The Guidance of God belongs to EVERYONE who desires to be a Servant of God; and if I am a Servant of God, then there is NO BOOK that contains God's Guidance that I should not be able to Read and Study and Benefit from. Every Muslim should read the Bible. Every Christian should read the Qur'an. Only then can the Children of Abraham, under God,begin to beunited again as one Spiritual Family.

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"Wisdom is the Principal thing, therefore get wisdom; but with all thy getting, get UNDERSTANDING."

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Peace to You and Yours.

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RM

Lexi · (#34 (**permalink**))

Well if you need to read to koran in arabic then so be it.But the beauty of the God i serve is that in whatever language his words are in through the power of the Holy Spirit the full understanding is there.God gives the gift of revelation so that his word can spread with out coming up against man made barriers.

Unfortunately for you don't believe in the holy spirit.You do not have the advantage of the holy spirit on your side so of course for you to gain really understanding of the koran you have to understand it in it's original tongue because it's word of man not God so obviously their are limits to it's understanding.

If you believe it then you can achieve it in the name of Jesus

imported_Seventh_Angel · (#35 (**permalink**))

Lexi wrote:

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Well if you need to read to koran in arabic then so be it.But the beauty of the God i serve is that in whatever language his words are in through the power of the Holy Spirit the full understanding is there.God gives the gift of revelation so that his word can spread with out coming up against man made barriers.

Unfortunately for you don't believe in the holy spirit.You do not have the advantage of the holy spirit on your side so of course for you to gain really understanding of the koran you have to understand it in it's original tongue because it's word of man not God so obviously their are limits to it's understanding.

If you believe it then you can achieve it in the name of Jesus

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The Following if from the Holy Qur'an:

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"And We indeed gave Moses the Book and We sent messengers after him one after another; and We gave Jesus, son of Mary, clear arguments and strengthened him with the Holy Spirit. Is it then that whenever there came to you a messenger with what your souls desired not, you were arrogant? And some you gave the lie to and others you would slay." --2:87

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"We have made some of these messengers to excel others. Among them are they to whom Allah spoke, and some of them He exalted by (many) degrees of rank. And We gave clear arguments to Jesus son of Mary, and strengthened him with the Holy Spirit. And if Allah had pleased, those after them would not have fought one with another after clear arguments had come to them, but they disagreed; so some of them believed and some of them denied. And if Allah had pleased they would not have fought one with another, but Allah does what He intends." --2:253

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"When Allah will say: O Jesus, son of Mary, remember My favour to thee and to thy mother, when I strengthened thee with the Holy Spirit; thou spokest to people in the cradle and in old age, and when I taught thee the Book and the Wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel, and when thou didst determine out of clay a thing like the form of a bird by My permission, then thou didst breathe into it and it became a bird by My permission; and thou didst heal the blind and the leprous by My permission; and when thou didst raise the dead by My permission; and when I withheld the Children of Israel from thee when thou camest to them with clear arguments - but those of them who disbelieved said: This is nothing but clear enchantment." --5:110

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"And when We change a message for a message -- and Allah knows best what He reveals -- they say: Thou art only a forger. Nay, most of them know not.
Say: The Holy Spirit has revealed it from thy Lord with truth, that it may establish those who believe, and as a guidance and good news for those who submit." --16:101,102

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So, you were WRONG about Muslims not believing in the Holy Spirit. What else are you wrong about?

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Something to think about.