Welcome to the African and Caribbean Social network.
You are currently are in guest mode which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access other features. By joining this free African Caribbean Social utility you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), upload images, add videos, respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free, join the African and Caribbean community today!
If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact us.
|
 imported post |
|
|
|
Villager
|
|
Posts: 215
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: , ,
|
|
|
imported post -
20-02-04, 08:41 PM
I am not gonna sit here and tell you why Islam is better than other religions. What I will tell you is that it is peace, brother and guidance and with this mixture you cannot go wrong in life.
salam
If you dont know yourself expect to be a victim of what they tell you about yourself
|
 |
 imported post |
|
|
|
Village Newbie
|
|
Posts: 4
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: , ,
|
|
|
imported post -
24-02-04, 07:08 AM
i dont think people are drawn to religion because something is missing.. i think they are drawn to religion because they want to acknowledge or appreciate something they see that is RIGHT!
something that isnt addressed through regular channels like work or family life.
banana.gif
|
 |
 imported post |
|
|
|
Villager
|
|
Posts: 313
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Birmingham, , United Kingdom
|
|
|
imported post -
27-02-04, 02:57 PM
Slavery in the east
However, Europe did not have a monopoly on slavery. Muslim traders also exported as many as 17 million slaves to the coast of the Indian Ocean, the Middle East, and North Africa. (imformation)
Why do Muslims have to do good deeds to obtain allahs love? Shouldn’t he already love his creation? What act does allah do to show that he loves his people?
‘Surely allah Loves the benevolent’ -Al Baqarah ch2 196
What about the un-benevolent, does allah love them too? . Probably not!
Surely allah loves not the transgressors- Al Baqarah ch2 (191-194)
That passage of text goes on to say
‘Fight in the case of allah…..’ but wait!!!!!! Isn’t allah supposed to be almighty why would he want his creation to fight each other-whappen to 4giveness?
‘………….Once they start the fight kill them wherever you meet them’-a wha dis me a hear?????????
‘…..aggression is more heinous than killing
…………fight them till aggression ceases’ –so war/killing can gwaarn fi ever den? Huh?
Islam is a religion that permits war. The quran encourages violent behaviour towards those who do not want to believe in allah-rightly so. What happened to liberty and peace?
Please clarify for me please. God Bless
Who GOD hires No man Fires!
*SKIES THE LIMIT*
|
 |
 imported post |
|
|
|
Villager
|
|
Posts: 232
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Tombouctou, , Mali
|
|
|
imported post -
31-03-04, 09:57 PM
Slavery also is not discouraged. There are passages that say one should treat their slaves kindly and take care of them. But nothing saying that slavery is moral wrong.
The greatest of teachers won\'t hesistate,to leave you there,by yourself,chained to fate.~LIVE
|
 |
 imported post |
|
|
|
Villager
|
|
Posts: 113
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: , ,
|
|
|
imported post -
31-03-04, 11:49 PM
Islam is the worlds fastest growing religion, and is projected to be the largest by the year 2010. This phenomenal rise in its numbers, to an extent, has been encouraged by the blatant contradictions that we are seeing in Christianity. When we see openly gay bishops elected to lead churches - when the bible,unequivocally teaches against homosexuality - this has no doubt discouraged some from followingChristianity.
The white man has quite cleverly shifted and adjusted Christianity tosatisfy his needs. Wherever thereareteachings in the bible which disallow a certain conduct, the white man will find a way of circumventing and misinterpreting that particular teaching to suit his needs.
This isnot the case with the holy Koran as it remains in its original text. Although 1400 years old it still provides guidance of how one shouldconducthimself. Whereas Christianity is viewed solely as a religion, Islam is a way of life. It affects every aspect ofaMuslim's life and provides guidance and direction.
|
 |
 imported post |
|
|
|
Villager
|
|
Posts: 232
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Tombouctou, , Mali
|
|
|
imported post -
01-04-04, 12:08 AM
There is nothing wrong with homosexuality. I don't care what anybody'sreligion says,homosexuals should be accepted,respected and loved just like everyone else.
And no religion,including Christianity will ever die out,unless there are no more people on the planet.So people talking like Islam or some other faith is going to take over the world. Think again my friends. The goal is tolorance and respect,the real things that need to dominate humanity.
The greatest of teachers won\'t hesistate,to leave you there,by yourself,chained to fate.~LIVE
|
 |
 imported post |
|
|
|
Villager
|
|
Posts: 154
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: London, , United Kingdom
|
|
|
imported post -
01-04-04, 01:18 AM
bismallah ramanhir raheem
islam has been recognised as the fastest growing religion today, both before, during and after 9/11. converts or reverts to islam are of all colours and nationalities, there is no one race that reverts more than others as people of all races are reverting to islam and in increasing numbers and it has been predicted to become one of the worlds largest religions. revertions to islam are taking place in large numbers in many countries as far afield as china, jamaica, america, russia, england, africa, austrailia so so not think it is just black people the are doing so.
people revert to islam for many reasons. on reading the quran they realise islam is a religion for all mankind, not just for arabs or asians, and they are readily accepted and welcomed in to islamic communities. they find on reading the quran that all mankind are considered as muslims at birth and either continued to follow and submit to the will of alah or did not, this may of been for a various amount of reasons such as choice, religion of family, values, nationality, beliefs, schooling, however this is why when one converts they are seen as coming back to islam.
they also find that islam and the word muslim means to submit or surrender to the will of allah. they find allah is a universal one god refered to in many other religions by different names, they find that islam does not follow no man, or ideas of man, their is no priest to tell you what to do, their is no contradictions in the doctrine or hidden agendas, and they find everything is fair and equal and only seeks to make one pure in mind, body and sprit. these are some reasons why people revert. they find a truth and chose to go with that truth. they may or may not need this truth, stability or assistance in their life, they may or may not have something missing, it is different for different people. some just want a perfect system of beliefs, morals and values in their lives without the inconsistancies of imperfections that other religious and political system bases provide. some people look for islam, for others they feel islam has found them and therefore believe because they want to and not because they have to as to do so is a free rational choice.
to answer some other points, islam does not promote terrorism, slavery or aggression. it promotes peace, fairness, goodness, self regulation and equality. alternatively it does tell you how to positively act if negative situations such as war, agression, slavery, discrimination etc arises or is evident in your community or country. contrastingly it tells you how to positively treat your wife, parents, family, employer, how to interact in your community or country, what is good and bad behaviour and thinking. this is in addition to information on the laws of love, life, worshipping allah, and having a positive and fair mind, body and soul, and how to avoid imperfections and negative attitudes and behaviour that may be influenced by negative people, forces, systems, laws or the devil. it also answers many questions about history, politics, human society, science, geology, and the human mind, body and soul. therefore islam is not an alternative or best option, islam is the only option, and you will find this if you investigate in by looking into islam, talking to real muslims or by reading a quran.
islam is not a new religion but the original religion of mankind in a new form. many religions throughtout the world worship one god, through revelations sent down through messengers. such religions are prevalant throughout asia, europe and africa. even zulu tribes and the like have religions similar to islam. also islam in a different form was prevalent across africa in ancient times in the form of the religion of adam, noah, abraham,jesus and moses. only later this was called judism after the tribe of judah, but originlly it was unnamed and solely concerned submitting to the will of allah, which is the meaning of islam. when islam was called islam it was also very wide spread across africa with entire countrie following islam. the spread of christianity through crusades and pre and post slavery converted many away from islam to christianity, and this is why now christianity is so large in africa, but it is not an african religion as it was given to them by europeans representing the church.
my last point is that islam does not accept unatural acts and evil desires. acts against allah and nature which is gods creation is unacceptable in islam. islam does not contradict itself or change its rules for any reason or to get followers as other religions and political systems do. homosexuality, transsexuality and the like are unacceptable and against the laws of allah which are set out in islam and the quran. through islam, allah does not accept, tolerate or love such individuals and they cannot be muslims as they are not surrendering to allah will therefore they are tranngressors, unbelievers etc. islam respect those that are pure, fair, just and true to themselves, and to those which count. islam does not state that everyone will follow islam, but does state that when the day of judgement comes, many will wish they were muslims and had lived a pious life which would have caused them to avoid the hellfire of the unbelievers and trangressors of allah. this is why mankind need islam to enable and assist them to be pious, fair, just and pure so that their families and friends can be so also in order to combat the negative doctrine, values, and beliefs of the pervading systems of religions and political systems which influence and allow mankind to be and become negative and evil with drug addiction, crime, prostitution, gambling, idol worshipping, homosexuality, transsexuality, murdering innocents in war, slavery and following the other corrupt ideas of man that are influences by ego's, greed, envy, jealousy, aggression etc.
|
 |
 imported post |
|
|
|
Villager
|
|
Posts: 113
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: , ,
|
|
|
imported post -
01-04-04, 02:06 AM
Medusa, I don't wish to debate homosexuality. You state that homosexuality should be loved etc. I have no problem with that, you are entitled to your opinion. However, what I do have a problem with, is when individuals misinterpret a holy text be that the Bible, Koran or the Torah.
Regardless of the merits of homosexuality, if the Bible disallows it, quite clearly, and an individual still chooses to practice homosexuality thenhe is quiteclearly in conflict with the holy teachings and can not therefore claim to be of that faith. This isn't about homosexuality, its about conflict ,and those who modify/ misinterpretthe bible to suittheir needs.
|
 |
 imported post |
|
|
|
Villager
|
|
Posts: 154
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: London, , United Kingdom
|
|
|
imported post -
01-04-04, 03:06 AM
numair, you are correct
the bible in leviticious states that a man must not lie with another man as he would lie with a woman. this is not the only place this is stated. also the people of soddom and gommorrah were hit with fire and brimstone for such practices in the story of lot (or lut in the quran). the bible also state that it is a cursed act to change any meaning or word, however the bible has been constantly changed and revised, and meanings have been changed by the church in such examples as excepting gay marriages and priest, which is in direct opposition with the teachings of moses and jesus. this is why christianity has lost its appeal to many and has caused aethiesm in mankind and has caused it to become secularised from the state.
|
 |
 imported post |
|
|
|
Villager Senior
|
|
Posts: 2,260
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: , ,
|
|
|
imported post -
01-04-04, 11:24 AM
i don't usually engage in debates about religion, because i believe however you choose to express your relationship with God, is between you and your God. But about this homosexuality thing. There are lots of things in the bible, Koran and Torah that people who say they are Christians, Muslims and Jews do not follow and are not able to follow. Since all of these books were written thousands of years ago, modern life can sometimes come into conflict with religious texts.
Let homosexuals deal with their relationship with God (if they have one), there is no need to start qouting passages from any religious book, to say whether it is acceptable or not. As long as you try to be the best christian, jew, muslim (or whatever religious denomination you are) you can be, thats what matters. Lets leave the judging up to the one who will do it in the end.
If the TRUTH is told the YOUTH can Grow/Try to survive/Before they take CONTROL - NAS
Just because 1 million people believe something, it doesn\'t make it a fact!
|
 |
 imported post |
|
|
|
Villager
|
|
Posts: 113
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: , ,
|
|
|
imported post -
01-04-04, 01:35 PM
Miss Brighter Days, I agree with your post. Homosexuality or hetrosexuality... it is not for us to pass judgement nor punishment... let God deal with that.
However, if you look at my original post it was directed to those who are openly homosexual, and preach the Lord's word, priests, bishops etc. Although you are correct in highlighting that there are many things in the holy texts, which people who claim to subscribe to those religions fail to adhere to.I agree. Many people who claim to be Muslims, Jews, Christian etc lie, cheat, backbite...things which are disallowed by all of these religions, however, this isn't about lay persons, this is about priests who should be above these petty acts, they should be above cheating, backbiting etc because they are well versed in the Lords words. It is for them to teach what thewhat the holy textstates.A gay priest is completely unacceptable,as would be anopenly gay Imam.
|
 |
 imported post |
|
|
|
Villager Senior
|
|
Posts: 2,260
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: , ,
|
|
|
imported post -
01-04-04, 02:53 PM
Hi Numair,
I understand your point, and I agree to an extent. But there are religous scripts that forbid, men to come into contact with women who are on their periods. There are scripts that say to trim your hair is unacceptable. To grow two types of crops in the same field is unacceptable, it is acceptable to have slaves, and so on and so forth.
The religous scriptures should be followed as much as they can, by people who claim to be God's workers. But there are so many things that these people do thatare forbidden in many religous scripts, if we take that logic none of them should be priests or imams. But some people feel they can be, and see nothing wrong with the way they live their lives. Since a man sleeping with a woman who is on her period is doing wrong, and so is a homosexual according to the scriptures, then men who do either of these things and don't see any problem with it, therefore see it as ok to preach God's word.
I just think we should tred carefully when it comes to what we choose from the scriptures, to justify a point.
If the TRUTH is told the YOUTH can Grow/Try to survive/Before they take CONTROL - NAS
Just because 1 million people believe something, it doesn\'t make it a fact!
|
 |
 imported post |
|
|
|
Villager
|
|
Posts: 154
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: London, , United Kingdom
|
|
|
imported post -
02-04-04, 02:48 AM
bismallah ramanhir raheem
miss brighter days
i am not using what is written to justify points, i am stating what is written. it is right that only allah passes judgement.
islam is applicable to modern times asit is ahead of its time and is a message to all of mankind from the time of its revelation to the end of time.
the quran cleary states that the laws must be followed and many muslims follow them to the letter, | |