@kingdomglobal

What I am saying Brother is that in world ruledby men with guns you'd better have your own gun.Like Brother Malcom X taught us - The only thing that power backs up for is more power.

You can run circles round the other side in basket ball, run the hundred metres faster than any body, you can be the toughest boxer, the blingest rapper, the sweetest preacher but you aint gettin no respect if you aint the cleverest scientist, the smartest politician,and thefiercest, most disciplined and dedicatedsoldier.

How are you going to defend and expand what's yours if you can't think, build or fight?

Nah I'll save the rap songs for when I'm chillin in my crib after a day spentasskicking and gettin paid.

You like Rap Bruh? Well you might remeber this line from a rap track - White Men be Buildin Space Station, Black Men be Playin Play Station.

@Kingdomglobal. Greetings bro intereting topic.

No problem at all in my eyes for religious people of whatever background, or orientation, to be involved in poltics. In fact if these individuals have strong integrity, they can have an important impact on the culture of politics and moral leadership period.


The issue for me is not their beliefs, but integrity and quality and willingness to not be dogmatic and doctrinaire on issues of facts, or issues they have to deal with. If a leader or spokesperson cannot move beyond their beliefs in serving the people then they are limited.

If a situation demands militant, or assertive, action but a leaders starts to wobble because of his religious beliefs then he is no good to man nor beast.

Fredblack

Native Son,

Those are great points. We need to venture out into all areas, not just areas Blacks typically go into.

FredBlack,

Great point. A Christian man or any man for that matter who is so fanatical that they will not strike when needed will not be a good leader. A radical person or terrorist that only intends to do harm must be dealt with swiftly and severly. Great insights Fred.


Solomon

Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim Salaam, All. C; wrote: >>OriginalBM wrote

See also 1 John 5:18, as it applies to to The Islamic Republic Of Iran, and all other sincere Muslims / Believers. <<


>>The Islamic Republic Of Iran, is wise enough to know the influence of the Satan. That is specifically why they trust in Allaah, The Unconquerable, The Source of Peace. AL-Qur'aan, has the complete story about the Satans evil exploits.<<


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But notice also, thatthe point here isthat all those "living in THE GOD", are of those that have not sinned. I suppose you must "be there" in terms of knowing Allaah, All Glory Be To HIM,to know what that means.

I am not saying that all peoples in the Islamic Republic of Iran, are Muslim / Believers, but that day too may sooncome, insha 'allaah {THE GOD Willing}. The url's you inserted [I'm still checking on them] were interesting because they point out the attitude of the West.

I can recall a "student protest", some time in 2003, that was said to haveturned a bit violent. Itwas lead by "reformist", or those interested in a secular government, based on Western goals. I expect that you can determine for yourselfwhether the West, had theirfingers, in that pie.

>>That is just two links from one organisation. I am sure if you dug deep, aswith all countries and human governments you could find many injustices- many sins.Iran is no doubt as guilty init'sown way as the rest of them. <<


But, there can be as many sides [views to] of a story [incident] as there are people observing same. This is why one must do ones homework.

The Western press is biased because itjudges everything through western colored glasses. Hence, itspreoccupation with thebelief that, whatthe people of the IslamicRepublic of Iran,really want is a western styled government. And , I am fairly certain, that you, and others who read the western press on a daily bases, havecome toa similarconclusion.

>>We need a truly righteous governmentdirect fromHeaven. Daniel 2:44, Matthew 6:10,1 Pet 3:13,Revelation 21:3,4 <<


Insha'allaah [THE GOD, Willing],it's on the way,with respect tochapter and verse, too. Just give the people of the Islamic Republic of Iran [they are building the model, government] and any like [suitable, agreeable] Islamic {GOD}governments, your unbiased support.When THE GOD,{Allaah, The High Exalted}is with you, who canstand against you? [not a direct quote].Salaam. OriginalBM

@Kingdomglobal

Ok Bro, I often wonder who people are refering to when they say terrorists. As you know one mans terrorists is another mans Freedom Fighter. The ANC were considered terrorists at one time.

If a people have been invaded or are suffering under the rule of an oppressor, I thinkthose people have every right to attack that oppressor by whatever means they have available to them.

If it means carrying out acts that the oppressor considers terrorists I say more power to the so-called terrorist.

My definition of terror may well differ from yours. Dropping cluster bombs from the safety of a jet-fighter at 3000ft is an act of unmitigated cowardice and unspeakable terror in my book.

However it has taught me a valuable lesson - those that do such things would think twice if they knew same thing would be done to their ciities and people.

What's your definition of terror bruh?

Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim Salaam, All.

native_son wrote: >>

If your questionpertains to the former then, my own view is that I think the state should indeed be secular. Whenyouobserve theocrasies, (government by priesthood) you tend to find the same things. Backward societies in which people are victimised if theyquestion or fall foul ofreligious doctrine. <<

Well, your reference to "theocrasies" infers GOD, government, which would include following the dictates of THE GOD. There cannot be a "falling afoul" of HIS, dictates, as you caneither accept, or reject HIS, Word. This'rejection' isin a sense, self-victimization. You can't expect a GOD,government to take responsibility for peoplesrejection of the truth.

>> You cannot fight nuclear weapons with a Holy Book, no God is to come down and smite your enemies or part waters so you can escape you enslavers, Black people should understand that better than anyone. <<

It is not who is with THE GOD, but, who THE GOD, is with. Allaah, IS, HE, with whomIS ALL, POWER, and ALL KNOWLEDGE. HE, Alone, decides ALL, things.

No weapons system can be useful if Allaah, The Wise, decides againstthem. Aircraft? I saw a graveyard for Military aircraftsomewhere [AZ ?]in the western USA. A humongous number of useless aircraft. And, money too, comes from Allaah, The Beneficent.

You like Rap Bruh? Well you might remeber this line from a rap track - White Men be Buildin Space Station, Black Men be Playin Play Station.


This seems to me to be folks running away from their problems here on earth. What discoveries have been made to date, that have benefitted the'people' here?



Fredblack wrote:>>

>> No problem at all in my eyes for religious people of whatever background, or orientation, to be involved in poltics. In fact if these individuals have strong integrity, they can have an important impact on the culture of politics and moral leadership period.<<

This is the basis for building strong GOD, government. And, since there is None, as Wise, as THE GOD, the government would naturally be "Perfect" in all aspects, eventually. Salaam. OriginalBM

Native Son,

My definition of terrorism is someone who would fly planes into buildings, lynch people to instill fear and control, dropping bombs on counrtries harming innocent people, any act dont violently that is unprovoked, and seeks to instill fear. Thats terrorism to me. And justice not just on those who flew planes on 911, but on the military that wages unprovoked war in the middle east.



Solomon

@Kingdomglobal

Respectfully Kingdomglobal could you explain what you last post meant, are you saying you support the action taken by the US military and the Coalition in the Gulf?

Native Son,

No I dont, I am saying the US forces in the gulf are doing the same thing the terrorists that flew the planes into the world trade center did. Only they are justifying it (in their minds) as an attempt to have a war on terror. There can be no war on terror, terror is not a country, terror is fear. A war on fear? Opposite of fear is bravery or confidence. Hence a war on terror rightfully should be a nation moving on in confidence, not dropping bombs.


Solomon

the church should not be involved in the state and has caused its own separation as the church breeds secularism. the church has in the past denied advances in science and technology and killed inventors and discovers in order to protect the hold and influence on the church. they told people to worship the bilble and to worship the trinity as god which means worshiping the father, son and sprit as god and praying to idols of them in church even though the commandments say do not worship false idols. the people realised the church teachings contradicted the bible and then thought that if the church is wrong or lying about the trinity, it may be the same case for their views on science and discoveries. the people cut out the church from the state with the french revolution and the british paliamnentary system. the people found that science was right and the church was wrong, the world was round and not the centre of the universe, this made them doubt the other teaching of the church which were already exposed by the clear contradictions with the bible that was also found not to be authentic or accurate or reliable. now the church is separated from politics due to their own lies and deciet throughout history, so why should they be allowed back into it. the church tries to convince the people by trying to gain followeres by further changing their rules to allow gays, alcoholism, and divorce. the get the followers but cause others to move further away from god and become aetheists and non-believers due to the contradictions, falseness and lies. therefore representatives of the church should not be allowed in politics. however democracy itself is unfair and oppressive, and is not for the people by the people and also promotes perverse and unjust ways of homosexuality, racism, lies and war. therefore true islamic scholars should be allowed to enter western politics and change the system to a shariah system where laws will be based on and represent the laws of Allah which are set and cannot be twisted or changed.

To: Native Son,

You see everything in a materialistic view point, i dont blame though.

Thats what life does to you when people have no faith in Allah (God).

You should look at history, like the struggle of the Afro-Americans, and others like the Afganistan war with Russia. The Afgans won becasue of their faith in Allah(swt), not cos America help them to undermine the communist, is cos this was a Jihad 'holy war' against a super power (at that time) Soviat Union. Russia used all its weopens and got defeat by a poor nation, and inshaallah America is next, dont think they have won, they will lose is just a matter of when.

People with faith dont fear the nuclear bombs, but they fear Allah (swt).

There is no God but Allah, means many meanings to a Muslim, for example dont associate some material the Allah created in this World for men to use. Ask a true believer, who is big the Nuclear Weapons or Allah (swt)? he will say Allah of cos.

Oh yeah, if they had all that latest technology how so come Bin Laden cannot be found. Is taken the AMERICAN SUPER POWER THAT LONG, AND WHY IS AMERICA CALLING OUT OTHER COUNTRIES IF THEY HAVE ALL THE POWER IN THE WORLD TO DEFEAT WAR ON TERROR OR SHALL I SAY WAR ON THE WEAK NATIONS.

COME TO THINK OF IT ALL POWER BELONGS TO ALLAH.... ALL THIS IS A TEST.

the G8 members plan but Allah is the best planner thats why their plans are always mess up for some reasons, cos Allah does not like evil rulers.

Peace out and God bless everyone in here.

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