To the Critics of the Nation of Islam

imported_Seventh_Angel · (#1 (**permalink**))

In the Name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful...the Best Knower.

As-Salaam Alaikum.

"Let your Light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father, which art in Heaven." --Bible

"They desire to put out the light of Allah with their mouths, and Allah will allow nothing save the perfection of His Light, though the disbelievers are averse." --Quran

I certainly did not join this group to create a disturbance, but it appears that some sort of disturbance is in the making. So, to try to prevent such, I propose the following:

It is obvious that the Light of Allah,thatis inherent in the Teachingsof the Hon. Louis Farrakhan, has attracted the attention of some. Some for good reasons, others for not-so-good reasons.

To those "others", please consider the Guidance in the passage from the Bible, above. You don't have to try to put out a Light that you disagree with - which you will never do; just go and Produce YOUR OWN LIGHT, and if your Light is bright enough, the people will see it and give you credit for it. But don't waste valuable time that could be spent TEACHING the PEOPLE, on useless criticisms of something you have absolutely no power over, lest you be found guilty of hindering people from the way of Allah.

Allah's Peace andGuidance be upon all who Seek them.

RM

realgreeneyes · (#2 (**permalink**))

as a muslim sista i am concerned that you are spreading the word of islam through the teachings of WHO!!!!!!!!!!! louis farrakhan what a leader of isalm who has never done the pilgrimmage was involved in the killing of our brother malcolm get a grip leave these white hating and any race that is not black funny that when louis has more white blood in him then any of the kkk go to a true follower of isalm and if you cant find one i will happily give you the number of regents park mosque in london and you may once again embrace the true isalm not a cult which is brainwashing you and making you believe that this fool elijah muhammed was a man a mere mortal that happened to havr the spirit of our prophet

Shame on you to have believed such blasphemy recognise the real truth like brother malcolm did and muhammed ali

salaam may ALLAH guide you

imported_Seventh_Angel · (#3 (**permalink**))

In the Name of Allah, the Knower, the Seer...

realgreeneyes wrote:

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louis farrakhan what a leader of isalm who has never done the pilgrimmage

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WRONG! The Hon. Louis Farrakhan has made Hajj SEVERAL times. I know this for a FACT.

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was involved in the killing of our brother malcolm

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You are in LONDON England, and you know more of what happened to Malcolm than those of us who lived with him? If the Hon. Louis Farrakhan had ANYTHING to do AT ALL with the murder of Malcolm X, he would have been arrested BACK IN 1965!! The Truth is, His name was NEVER MENTIONED as a suspect...NEVER...until the Malcolm X movie came out in the 90's. You shouldn't formulate your views based on the western media machine. The Holy Qur'an warns the believers, "when an unrighteous person brings you news, look CAREFULLY into it; lest you harm a person in IGNORANCE, and then be sorry for what you did." Since there is no statute of limitations for MURDER, why hasn't Minister Farrakhan been accused and tried in a court of law for Malcolm's murder? Because he had NOTHING to do with it. Use your common sense.

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get a grip leave these white hating and any race that is not black

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If you really believe that is what the Nation of Islam is all about, then you don't know the FIRST THING about it. I can tell your views are formed by what you HEARD from others. Even those who INVESTIGATE the Nation and still disagree come up with more sensible arguments than those you are presenting here.

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If we were "white hating" we would be contradicting ourselves, since the Man whom we believe to be the Mahdi, who came to save us from our enemies, looks as white as any white man...but his Father was BLACK.

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Muslims, and all right minded people, are forbidden by the law of self-respect to hate someone BECAUSE of their color. The Hon. Elijah Muhammad NEVER taught us to hate "white". He taught us to hate EVIL..and then he showed us the evil deeds of WHITE PEOPLE which are recorded in History and in the Scriptures.

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funny that when louis has more white blood in him then any of the kkk

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Can you prove this? If you were called upon to put your LIFE up for this statement, could you prove it true? Would the Holy Prophet Muhammadresort tosuch cheap expression? I think not. Your statement is obviously an attempt at MOCKERY, which is FORBIDDEN to a Believer. A Muslim is to show the highest of character and dignity at all times...or did you not know that?

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go to a true follower of isalm and if you cant find one i will happily give you the number of regents park mosque in london

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Based on what you have said so far, your words being as far from the Spirit of the Prophet (PBUH) as East is From West, I don't think you are qualified to offer advice to ANYONE seeking "true islam".

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and you may once again embrace the true isalm not a cult which is brainwashing you and making you believe that this fool elijah muhammed was a man a mere mortal that happened to havr the spirit of our prophet

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The Hon. Elijah Muhammad only went to the fourth grade of school. Yet, after being taught by Master W. Fard Muhammad for roughly 3 years, beginning at the age of 34, he performed a Work and Provided an example and Produced a Transformation among Black people in America - the most destroyed of our people anywhere on earth - that not only is UNMATCHED to this very day, but is STILL STANDING and PROGRESSING. No "fool" could produce those results. As a matter of fact, NONE of the "WISE ONES" in "true Islam" have been able to reproduce the Work of the Hon. Elijah Muhammad. One day, you will understand him better, then you will love him and thank Allah for him; that is, if you are not destroyed by your own blindness first.

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It is a fact that the Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said, in an Hadith, that THREE GENERATIONS after him would NO LONGER BE OF HIM!! How many generations have passed since then? Many more than THREE. Could it be that YOU are the one who has been brainwashed by centuries of DEVIATION from the path laid down by the Prophet?

Shame on you to have believed such blasphemy recognise the real truth like brother malcolm did and muhammed ali

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All due respect to Brother Malcolm and Brother Muhammad Ali...BOTH of them were MADE by the Hon. Elijah Muhammad, and as soon as they UNPLUGGED from the Source of their Success - Elijah Muhammad - their light went out. Every Student of the Hon. Elijah Muhammad who "unplugged" from his Teachings and Guidance, check the record, their Light went out.

salaam may ALLAH guide you

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Do me a favor...don't spit in my face and then insult my intelligence by offering me "peace".

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Do yourself a favor. If you're going to oppose someone, at least know SOMETHING about what you're saying and WHY you oppose them...lest you come off looking likethe fool. All you've done here is hurl unfounded accusations at a Righteous man, which is precisely the methodology of DEVILS. (One of the meanings of the word "devil" is...ACCUSER)

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"Say: I seek refuge in the Lord of the Dawn, from the evil of that which He has created, and from the evil of intense darkness when it comes, and from the evil of those who cast evil suggestions in firm resolutions, and from the evil of the envier when he envies."

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"...from the evil of the whisperings of the slinking devil, who whispers into the hearts of men, from among the jinn and the men."

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May Allah Guide us All.

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RM

realgreeneyes · (#4 (**permalink**))

SO YOU black black black this is all i hear when i am in the presence of a member of the nation i also find it disrespectful for you to assume the facts of what i know Question were you born a muslim?

the reason for my lack of respect towards your faith is not to do with you personally but you have made the statement that elijah muhammed taught you the hate that white people have done to BLACK people get over it because on the day of judgement you know full well that everyone will be accounted for thier deeds let it be and with regards to how i know about the assasination any true self respecting man or women knows the truth but as usual what is it you proclaim that the white man was involved open your eyes.

how do you know that louis has done the pilgrimage and if so were you there and if that was the case how could he peform all those steps before ALLAH AND STILL GO HOME AND INCITE HATRED.

So you truly believe that elijah made malcolm and muhammed what stupidness the call came from suppression and emptyness what elijah gave them was not a light but a glimpse of what he believed was HIS truth not the true teachings of islam and to say that when thay embraced the true teachings thier light went out WHAT no more like it shone more and to try to insinuate that i regard myself as the same as PROPHET MUHAMMED (SWA) and would he stoop to such levels well ihave no comment on that i can only speak for myself

and any man who has trhe eyes can c that when you look at louis he has white bllod running in him to the colour and his hair no BLACK man would have such straight hair and caucasion features unless he used dark and lovely and relaxed his hair why was it too afro

finally i respect you comments and in no way spat in your face but do not quote the qu'ran at me as i feel this is more of an insult when you take quotes that you feel have relevance to the topic we are discussing and surrounding it with words from ALMIGHTY ALLAH when you still have not answered the question on why in the newspaper that the nation gives out does it say that the prophets spirit went into elijah i feel this is the most important point that i wanted answered

imported_Seventh_Angel · (#5 (**permalink**))

In the Name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful...the Best Knower

realgreeneyes wrote:

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SO YOU black black black this is all i hear when i am in the presence of a member of the nation

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The whole world LOOKS DOWN on the Black Man and woman and seems comfortable relegatingus to a subordinate role in every aspect of Life. Allah has seen fit, now, toput the Black People back ON TOP of Civilization where we belong, after he has made us "complete", and breathed into us of His Spirit. This means that the former rulers and such will have to "fall down making obeisance to him." I wonder, will you respond as Iblis did, "Iam not going to make obeisance to a mortal, whom Thou hast created of sounding clay, of black mud fashioned into shape." (15:26-33)

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In another place, Iblis flat out says, "I am BETTER than he...". If I were you, I would examinethe motive behind your response very closely.

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Even the Holy Prophet Muhammad, in an Hadith, said that he heard the footsteps of Bilal going into Paradise ahead of his own. What did he MEAN by that? Could he have meant that he saw the PEOPLE of Bilal going into Paradise ahead of HIS PEOPLE, the ARABS? Just something to consider.

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Question were you born a muslim?

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Are we not all born Muslim?

the reason for my lack of respect towards your faith is not to do with you personally

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ALLAH says, in the Holy Qur'an, "And abuse not those whom they call upon besides Allah, lest, exceeding the limits, they abuse Allah through ignorance. Thus to every people have We made their deeds fair-seeming; then to their Lord is their return so He will inform them of what they did." -6:108

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Even if you believe the Nation of Islam is in error, you are FORBIDDEN from disrespecting what other people hold sacred, lest they disrespect what you bring to them out of spite. You have no excuse for such behavior. Don't insult Allah by trying to justify it. His instruction is CLEAR. You will either OBEY it or DISOBEY it. It is up to you.

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but you have made the statement that elijah muhammed taught you the hate that white people have done to BLACK people get over it because on the day of judgement you know full well that everyone will be accounted for thier deeds let it be

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There is no such thing as "getting over" INJUSTICE.Would you tell the Palestinian people to "get over" the occupation of their land by the Israelis? Would you tell theIraqis to "get over" the destructionand occupation of their country by the U.S.? If you did, what kind of response do you think you would get from them?

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And incidentally, this IS the Day of Judgement we are in NOW. Take it or leave it.

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and with regards to how i know about the assasination any true self respecting man or women knows the truth but as usual what is it you proclaim that the white man was involved open your eyes.

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Is this supposed to be proof?....evidence? This is nothing more than your opinion. It is even bordering on FALLACY. The law of REASON says that YOU would know more about what goes on in YOUR house than would I - a person who lives on the other side of the planet. What you know of what happened to Malcolm is what the western media machine WANTS you to "know"...nothing more, nothing less.

how do you know that louis has done the pilgrimage and if so were you there and if that was the case how could he peform all those steps before ALLAH AND STILL GO HOME AND INCITE HATRED.

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I know because I know. How I know is not important. You can either correct yourself, or continue in denial of the truth. Up to you.

So you truly believe that elijah made malcolm and muhammed what stupidness

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what elijah gave them was not a light but a glimpse of what he believed was HIS truth not the true teachings of islam

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The truth is, there would never have been a "Malcolm X" or a "Muhammad Ali", or any other, if it had not been for the Hon. Elijah Muhammad. Where did Malcolm Little get his "X" from? Where did Cassius Clay get the name "Muhammad Ali" from? From the Hon. Elijah Muhammad...Period. The Greatness that the world attributes to these men came from the time when they were under the Hon. Elijah Muhammad's Guidance and Teaching. When theyunplugged fromHIM, the Light that was in them WENT OUT. Only those in denial of HISTORICAL FACT cannot see that.

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and to try to insinuate that i regard myself as the same as PROPHET MUHAMMED (SWA) and would he stoop to such levels well ihave no comment on that i can only speak for myself

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"Certainly you have in the Messenger of Allah an excellent exemplar for him who hopes in Allah and the Latter day, and remembers Allah much." - 33:21

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I am not saying that you regard yourself the same as Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). That is actually the problem. I am saying that you SHOULD be MORE LIKE the Prophet, if you claim to follow his EXAMPLE. An EXAMPLE is to be FOLLOWED. If you claim theExcellence of Prophet Muhammad, but don't see yourself as being obligated to strive to follow his EXAMPLE, then what you are doing, with all due respect, is falling into the WORSHIP of the Prophet...instead of FOLLOWING him.

and any man who has trhe eyes can c that when you look at louis he has white bllod running in him to the colour and his hair no BLACK man would have such straight hair and caucasion features unless he used dark and lovely and relaxed his hair why was it too afro

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The fact that there are Black people all over the world with STRAIGHT HAIR shows that you have much more research or study to do before you can speak rightly on such things. Look at the people of Asia, India, the Philippines...even China - not the ones who have had their blood mixed in with the Europeans, but the INDIGENOUS people of these lands, and others - they are BLACK people...with STRAIGHT hair.

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To say that your reasoning is flawed is an understatement.

finally i respect you comments and in no way spat in your face but do not quote the qu'ran at me as i feel this is more of an insult when you take quotes that you feel have relevance to the topic we are discussing and surrounding it with words from ALMIGHTY ALLAH

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Again, Allah instructs the believers, "if you differ about ANYTHING refer it to ALLAH and His Messenger." "And whoever judges NOT by what ALLAH HAS REVEALED, these are the TRANSGRESSORS."

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I do not wish to be a "transgressor". As a Muslim, I am compelled to "quote the Qur'an" when necessary. If you disagree with what I quote from Qur'an, then we can reason over what the meaning or relevance is. But as a Muslim, you should not EVER tell another Muslim "do not quote the Qur'an". It might cause your sincerity to be questioned.

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you still have not answered the question on why in the newspaper that the nation gives out does it say that the prophets spirit went into elijah i feel this is the most important point that i wanted answered

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You show me where the Final Call says that "the Prophet's spirit went into Elijah", and I will be happy to answer that.

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May Allah Bless Us all with the Light of Understanding.

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RM

imported_Seventh_Angel · (#6 (**permalink**))

realgreeneyes wrote:

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how do you know that louis has done the pilgrimage

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Lest you think I'm being biased, the following is from someone who shares your distaste for the Nation of Islam...

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"In 1985, Farrakhan and company were allowed to make Hajj, and upon return from Makkah he stated that while making Tawaaf around the Ka'bah that he had loving thoughts about Prophets Ibraheem, Isma'eel, and Muhammad , and "my father the Honorable Elijah Muhammad."
Link to Complete Article

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This is just ONE occasian, which is enough to destroy your false and uninformed claim that Minister Farrakhan has never made Hajj.

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I suppose now you will question his motives, instead of admitting you were wrong.

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RM

realgreeneyes · (#7 (**permalink**))

Again you have commented on black its not what i mean when you speak to a member of the nation which i ahve done on many occasions it is filled with black this and black that i respect what your group has done for the black community and i extend my hand out to you for the knowledge you have on the Quran but thatdoes not give you the right to judge another muslim on his deeds

on answering your quotes you claimed that muhammed his people i believe they were not just called arabs but muslims and you are right every human is born a muslim its if they choose to follow what my question should have asked how long have you embraced islam did you practice from birth or did ALLAH call you later in your life and recall isaid ALLAH not elijah a mere mortal and the same with all muslims who embrace islam you are called and given the signs by ALMIGHTY ALLAH NOT A MAN he might of directed you but that is how far it goes as with the forbidden to disrespect religions if you are neither a one god believer you are a KAFR as well as not beleiving the 1st pillar of islam "LA IILLAH ILLALAH MUHAMMADEN RASOULLULAH" AS YOU KNOW THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH AND MUHAMMMED PBUH IS HIS MESSENGER so to clear the error please explain what you see elijah as and who is that has such great importance and you must get over injustice because you know everyone will be judged accordingly and how do you know the truth where it is written in the Quran that a group of black people are the ones who will lead us to the truth i have not read that scripture as yet

andyou know that louis performed his pilgrimmage because you know no quote from you how strange well as you say but to deliver the truth you must have evidence and for every commment that i have made you ahve answered but not on this one and dont quote history to me please tell me about the here and now when stephen lawrence was stabbed to death the nation comes out to support the black man when michael jackson is accused of raping a boy the nation shows its face at not one time since this war against muslims have i seen marches by the nation condemming this behaviour if we are all muslim brothers how come not a peep has been heard where is the voice there recognise people are not blind a million man march well done do it for all the muslims dying at your countrys hand............................

imported_Seventh_Angel · (#8 (**permalink**))

In the Name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful...the Best Knower

realgreeneyes wrote:

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thatdoes not give you the right to judge another muslim on his deeds

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But it's ok for YOU to JUDGE MINISTER FARRAKHAN and the NATION OF ISLAM? Remember, it was YOUR judgement of Minister Farrakhan that caused me to respond in the first place. And I only pointed out, from the UNIVERSAL PRINCIPLES of ISLAM, as given to us in the Holy Qur'an and the Sunnah of the Prophet, where your behaviour in this discussion has been less than Muslim. I have not mocked or disrespected you or that which you hold sacred. I only wish to see you more in harmony with the Example of the Prophet, even if we disagree, if he it is that you follow.

you are right every human is born a muslim its if they choose to follow... what my question should have asked how long have you embraced islam did you practice from birth or did ALLAH call you later in your life and recall

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It does not matter "how long" I have embraced Islam. There are people who have been born in the knowledge and culture of Islam, who are yet off the path. Instead of asking me how long I have "been in Islam", you should ask whether what I am saying is the TRUTH. If it is the TRUTH, then accept it. If not, reject it.

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as with the forbidden to disrespect religions if you are neither a one god believer you are a KAFR as well as not beleiving the 1st pillar of islam "LA IILLAH ILLALAH MUHAMMADEN RASOULLULAH" AS YOU KNOW THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH AND MUHAMMMED PBUH IS HIS MESSENGER so to clear the error please explain what you see elijah as and who is that has such great importance and

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Like I said, Allah's Command regarding this is clear.

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"And abuse not those whom they call upon besides Allah, lest, exceeding the limits, they abuse Allah through ignorance. Thus to every people have We made their deeds fair-seeming; then to their Lord is their return so He will inform them of what they did." -6:108

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Allah is COMMANDING the Muslims regarding those who "call upon others besides Allah" (disbelievers) to be RESPECTFUL towards them and what they believe, for the reasons explained. This is ALLAH's Command...not mine. If you do other than that, that is YOUR doing, and you will have to answer to Allah for that.

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you must get over injustice because you know everyone will be judged accordingly and how do you know the truth where it is written in the Quran that a group of black people are the ones who will lead us to the truth i have not read that scripture as yet

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Only the DEVIL wants the VICTIMS of INJUSTICE to "get over" injustice.

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ALLAH, the SUPREME LAW GIVER and AUTHORITY, says, "FIGHT WITH THOSE WHO FIGHT WITH YOU...". If Allah wanted people to "get over" injustice, he would not give us the RIGHT to defend and protect ourselves. Allah even allows RETALIATION in His Holy Book. You still have not answered MY question: "Would you tell the Palestinian people to "get over" the injustice they are suffering?"

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....well done do it for all the muslims dying at your countrys hand...

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I am a Muslim. Is America a Muslim Nation? Do muslims have anything to do with formulating American Foreign policy? Have you not heard of the persectution that Muslims are undergoing here in the United States? I find your use of language here a bit disturbing, and I am wondering now what your real motives are.

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If you do even a small amount of research, you will find that no single Muslim leader has been more openly critical of this war than Minister Farrakhan, who has, by the way written Two Letters to the President of the United States, WARNING him of the consequences of such action.

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It is apparent to me that the need to continue this dialogue is just about finished, especially if you refuse to submit to Principles of Reason and Right Judgement, which are inherent qualities in the Heart of ANY MUSLIM.

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"No man can be Muslim (a person of Peace)unless his HEART and TONGUE are such." -Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)

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May Allah Grant you His Blessings and Mercy...if you truly seek it.

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