@ a-mere-man

i see you could answer no points, but i expected that you wouldnt as you would have no supportinfg evidence that was legitimate of authentic. however you make statements, which god or jesus did not tell you either. is this because you are making up your own religion now, or just still misinterpreting you present one?. i was merely showing you what was written, without the corruption of man. i sought not to offend you, merely to prompt you to open your eyes, and if you check you will see that everything i have said is not made up, misinterpreted or lies.

I would like to say that I guarantee that the man that you have posted up in your av. Is in a place now, if he did not change and accept Christ, He is in a place now with weeping and gnashing of teeth. If only you would heed to the Words of The Christ, The Messiah....God.


Perhaps this man is still alive, but like I stated above, If the man has not accepted Christ,inevitably his fate is Hell.It baffles me to think that one would not think that an individual is not like Christ, when Christ never repressed the truth...I never repress the truth. I will tell and call things out like they are.

i see you could answer no points, but i expected that you wouldnt as you would have no supportinfg evidence that was legitimate of authentic. however you make statements, which god or jesus did not tell you either. is this because you are making up your own religion now, or just still misinterpreting you present one?. i was merely showing you what was written, without the corruption of man. i sought not to offend you, merely to prompt you to open your eyes, and if you check you will see that everything i have said is not made up, misinterpreted or lies.


Ha. I laugh at this statement. Every single source and every statement that I make comes out of the Word Of God...The bible. It is funny to me how I have answered every single point that you have brought up, but you still cannot answer mines. You have not offended me in any way, just the fact that you would mention that, I get the notion that you indeed were the one that is offended. My supporting evidence comes from the same Word that you try to make anattempt to use to try to support your argument, isn't that ironic. You rarely use the Qu ran to support your belief, but you use the bible...That...is back wards and it is a high form of hypocrisy. You are trying to hide behindblkwallthe same book that condemns you.bighairlolThat is hilarious. You do not do that. All my evidence is validated in the word. You should know that seeing that you use it so much. That is corrupt, and you do notdo that.blkfingerwag. Bless you all brotha's.

@a_mere_man...

[a_mere_man] "All my evidence is validated in the word. You should know that seeing that you use it so much....... "Every single source and every statement that I make comes out of the Word Of God...The bible"......... If the man has not accepted Christ,inevitably his fate is Hell"

1. i have answered all your points. you doubted the authenticity of the quran, i showed it was authentic. you said your doubt was based on your studies but you did not even know when the quran was revealed as you stated it was 64ad, when in fact it was 611ad. you also said jesus is god, i showed you how your own book does not say this. you also stated that all christians believe the same thing, however, i showed you this is not true as some sects of original christians whichsome are still practising today have different views regarding jesus, and many did not even call themselves christians. therefore i will not repeat these points as they are above and are clear and if you wish to ignore themthen that is your perogerative.

2. however i willsay that i use your own book to prove you wrong to show you that your own book is telling you that jesus is not god, so how can you say he is. just as i would debate english law with english law, i would not argue against it and expect to win a case in court with the law of mexico. just as bible experts study the bible and do not say it is the "Word of God", and even encyclopedias will tell you it is written by scholars long after the deaths of moses and jesus, and that the books of mathew, mark, luke and john were not written by them which is why they are called "the gospel according to mathew, mark, etc" and not "the gospel BY mathew, mark, etc. Also note there is no "gospal by jesus christ", because he did not write one, if he did then that would have been the word of god as it would say what god wanted man to know.

3. on your point of the validity of the "word of god" i ask you, what is the word of god. is the bible the word of god, and if you say it is, i say to you did god write it and how do you know that. god did not write the bible, so how is it the word of god. god gate moses the commandments, but the original forms of these were lost long ago. moses did not write the books of the old testament, just as jesus did not write the books of the new testament, in fact matheww, mark, luke and john did not write them either. the bible was put together by scholars and there is nothing to say that god spoke to them, so how is this the word of god, they did not meet god, how do they know this is his word, and how do you know this is his word. even bible experts today do not say the bible is the word of god, they say it is merely a library of books that can not be authenticated, which is why there have been many different bibles which include differing sets of books.

4. so i ask you, if the bible does not say its the word of god, experts do not say its the word of god, it can clearly be proven not to be the word of god, it was written by men who did not recieve a revelation from god... then how can you possibly tell me it is the "word of God" and tell me your points are validated by god.

5. Also i suggest you read EZEKIEL 23, and then tell me if that is the word of god. And tell me would god do that to those two "sinful sisters".

6. Also you seem to belive that man will go to hell if they do not accept jesus is god and be baptised in his name and recieve eternal salvation. for my first point on this i tell you again, jesus is not god and the bible does not say he is, and you have still not shown me where it says "my name is jesus and i am almighty god". my second point is that if your basis of salvation that man will go to hell if they do not accept jesus is based on what he said after the ascension, then i remind you that the ascension that refers to salvation in the gospal according to mark 16:9-20, is not included in many bibles as it was not in any early manuscripts or bibles and was therefore MADE UP many years later. Also, if jesus is god and god is his father as you say but cannot prove, why does it not say this in "the geneology of jesus" [mathew1:1-16]

7. so before you say any more, read your bible, research its history, and get your facts right.

what i dont get about mohammed that the muslims praise all the time is that he was juat a man who died and thats it. whereas Jesus died and rose from the grave, his tomb today is empty. so why confess anything in the name of a dead man when there is a living God. does the koran mention Jesus rising from the dead, what is so special of muhammed if afterall as many muslims have said that he was just a prophet, therefore such emphasis should not be on a man with no significance

the word of ALL prophets is impoortant as it is the revelation of god from god speaking to them.

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is significant because he is the last prophet or messanger to mankind, and god revealed the last revelation to mankind to him, and this is the only "word of god" available to man in an uncorrupted and authentic form.

on the point of the ascension of jesus, according to bible experts this is not proven and is widely doubted which is why many bibles do not included it as it was not included in early bible manuscripts, cannot be authenticated, and may have been made up by man. this is why mark 16 ends at verse 8, and verses 9-20 are disputed as the early bible manuscripts didnt include them. Just as the bible does not say he was god.

muslims believe thatjesusdid not die on the cross and he was raised up to god as this is what is stated in the quran

@Seventh_Angel

I am not saying i am better than you, I am just trying to be more up front with my thoughts towards you. Correct I can not of myself read your heart, but God know's the hearts of all men, and will impart to me such as I need to know to deal with who I am speaking to. Jesus read the hearts of men, and yet scripture tells me greater things shall we do, because he goes unto the Father.

I am not saying either that I haveknowledge ofyour heart in this matter, I am saying that from your words posted in several threads, you may be battling with the teachings of Jesus... That is not to slight you, Men like Apostle Paul, devout men of God, battled with the concept of Jesus, being schooled in Judaism, as Apostolic you will have known this....

@Thread

Mohammed is a most revered prophet of the Quran, and I have heard it time and again, how this so called prophet of Allah came with a last testament.

However this directly contradicts bible teaching, the writer of Hebrews says "God who in sundry times (times past) spoke unto the people through the prophets have in these last days spoken through his Son".

So how is it that a prophet as risen up outside of Jesus, who does not claim is prophesyings or is source of power to prophesy to come from Jesus. Apostle Paul spoke of prophets in the church, but their power to prophesy was through Jesus.

So where comes this teacher of heresies... because believe me, If the disciples and apostles were alive today this is what they would call mohammed.

The church is not trying to make friends, it job is to bring souls to Jesus, to birth children unto him. The bible says when Zion travails she bring forth her children. Who is Zion and who are its children banana.gif

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blkscholarJesus hinted many times at who he was to the Jews and each time he did, they set to kill him for it, thinking he blasphemed.

but consider the virgin birth, this child was not born due to natural laws of nature, no man's seed was involved with his birth. He came into being of the will of the Word of God. The Word became flesh..... God became flesh.... understand what is being really said. If a man existed today before us, who was not born of man's seed, this man would be jumped on by all science today, theywould have him down as how man came into being and they would use his body to find out what happened... we really are not looking at who Jesus is.... he is self existant, he came out of nothing.. because the Word of God came out of nothing, he is self existant therefore Jesus was dependant only upon the word of God and yet let me throw another twist....

Peter said to Jesus "We know that you have the words of eternal life"...

Jesus did not rebuke Peter or correct the saying.....

Yet Peter was in effect saying, you have the words, which live outside of time, even though you are in time..... So what was Peter telling Jesus confused2

Peter was saying the very word you speak, was the word which created himself, and created the womb to which would birth him......

chinkkie..if muhammed was the last prophet last messenger of Gods word, than what besides your holy book do you have. In christianity before Jesus rose he promised not to leave us alone. we have the holy spirit that dwells in us all. Now today there are many true prophets who speak the word of God. Gods job is not done if it was the earth would no longer exists

the stuff your quoting about authenticity. many non biblical non believers wil always dispute anything religious. as do many state that the koran is false prophecy. so that sentence(s) was irrelavant

@just a voice.. it is not about twists, its about what it says, and the bible doe not say jesus is god, i say again, if is does, show me where.



@ladyday...

1. the bible is regarded by BIBLE EXPERTS to be unauthentic and inclusive of many mistakes and inconsistancies. it is accepted that it is written by man who had no direct revelation with god.

2. the Quran cannot and has not, in 1400 years, despite countless efforts, been proven to be false, unauthentic, fake, inconsistant or containing mistakes. its proof that it is a revelation from god is that it contains much information that man DID NOT know before it was revealed, and in it it states that if it is not a revelation from god it would contain many discrepancies. as i said, none have been found and the only explanation given for it, even by bible experts, is that it is a revelation from god.



@seventh_angel..... those are good quotes, i wonder if you know of Hans Koontz (i think thats his name), the leading scholar of the catholic church that investigated the quran and reported and concluded "god has spoken through the man muhammad". obviously the church was not happy, im trying to find a link to this.

@chinkkie- I have given you overwhelming references to support my Argument with you that Jesus is God. I provided you with references, but you decided to twist it, that is why no one is really taking on your points again. I have shown you, Jesus refered to Himself as God when the devil tempted him, aslo in Phil 2:6-11, it speaks about Jesus being God, and why He is to be worshipped. John 1 also Says Jesus is God. These are enough evidence and they are explicit. You decided to twist it round, I am afraid I can't continue to argue with you. Get the facts and the truth right.

You keep on mentioning the so called expert, what do they know??? They tell you what they feel like, they are limited and always try to prove something they have no explanation of. It suprises me if you believe what they say to that extent.

Note, they haven't bother checking the Quran.............you know why? because we all know that it was never right in the first place. Why waste there time? How many of these so called expert have had a look at the Quran? probably very little,There is absolutely no doubt in their minds that this book was just made up. It encourages violence, etc. Your friend the seventh angel, came up with some quotes that were irrelevant and also writtten by Islamic Scholars. No doubtthey saywhatever they want. Just refrain from mentioning that Jesus is not God, I have enudated you with references, open you eyes and see the Truth.

God bless, I pray for the Spirit of God to Show you.

Salaam to all...

More on the "significance" of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), the Vessel through whom the following was made possible...and this is just the tip of the iceberg...

ISLAMIC Influence on America

"In the United States and Canada, members have formed a large number of groups to enable them to expand their social and charitable activities. The best known of these groups is the Shriners (official name: "Ancient Arabic Order Nobles Mystic Shrine")"
"...this would not be surprising considering many of America's so-called founding fathers were themselves Masons -- George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Ethan