Afrique,

The problem doesn't lie with Christianity/Islam, it lies with people who are totally misnformed about both religions and using it for the wrong reasons. I almost came close to being a Muslim and I'm now a Christian. To me, being a Christian isn't about who I'am, but rather what I practice and how I can not only better my life , but the lives of other people. Everyday, I look at supposed Christians/ Muslims fighting each other because of territory and because of who they are. Ask yourself this question: Do you think that the Lord/Allah would approve of this constant bickering? Do you believe that he judge people based on who they are? I think not.

I think about one scripture I read and I love it and that is Numbers 12. It speaks about racial/religious prejudice and persecution about Moses and his wife. God put a leprosy spell on Moses's sister Miriam for condemning Zipporah because of her race and religion. In Timothy( one or two) God mentions that he showed no difference between a Christian/Jew and god blessed the author of Timothy--Timmy himselfHe was a Greek/Jewish. I know very little about Islam in terms of their Surah's . But there was a Surah that asomebody--a Muslim told me about when I was a teen and it was about Allah'sviews of prejudice. It said the same thing, he's not about hate( if I find I'll let you know about it.

There is nothing wrong with being a Muslim and there is nothing wrong with being a Christian, Jew etc. It's not the religion that is going to to get you to heaven( actually the third earth) or paradise with the Muslim, it's how obedient that you are with the two that will get you there. People like Osama bin Laden and these other guys who fight like those guys do are nothing but perverts to God/Allah. If they were the true brothers/sisters of both, they would say " Hey, we have different beliefs in how we view god, but we still love each other."

At my school, we have a big Muslim/Christian organizations here. I wondered how we would get along with each other because of who we are. Seemignly , so far, everything is ok, in matter of factly sometimes whatever event the Muslim organizations have we come to and vice versa because that is the way it should be. As long as those guys use religion for their own way of political gain and the impose bigotry on people. They are no way good Christian Muslim people.

Nice responses. Reading some of the responses of this and other topics on the board, I was wondering if I had not made a mistake in signing up for the British version of Black Planet (not a good thing).

In the Name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful...the Best Knower.

Surah 15

MUHAMMADALI:
26. And surely We created man of sounding clay, of black mud fashioned into shape.
27. And the jinn, We created before of intensely hot fire.
28. And when thy Lord said to the angels: I am going to create a mortal of sounding clay, of black mud fashioned into shape.
29. So when I have made him complete and breathed into him of My spirit, fall down making obeisance to him.


YUSUFALI:
We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape;
And the Jinn race, We had created before, from the fire of a scorching wind.
Behold! thy Lord said to the angels: "I am about to create man, from sounding clay from mud moulded into shape;
"When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him of My spirit, fall ye down in obeisance unto him."

PICKTHAL:
Verily We created man of potter's clay of black mud altered,
And the jinn did We create aforetime of essential fire.
And (remember) when thy Lord said unto the angels: Lo! I am creating a mortal out of potter's clay of black mud altered,
So, when I have made him and have breathed into him of My Spirit, do ye fall down, prostrating yourselves unto him.

SHAKIR:
And certainly We created man of clay that gives forth sound, of black mud fashioned in shape.
And the jinn We created before, of intensely hot fire.
And when your Lord said to the angels: Surely I am going to create a mortal of the essence of black mud fashioned in shape.
So when I have made him complete and breathed into him of My spirit, fall down making obeisance to him.


Surah 30

MUHAMMADALI:
30. So set thy face for religion, being upright, the nature made by Allah in which He has created men. There is no altering Allah's creation. That is the right religion - but most people know not -
31. Turning to Him...

YUSUFALI:
So set thou thy face steadily and truly to the Faith: (establish) Allah's handiwork according to the pattern on which He has made mankind: no change (let there be) in the work (wrought) by Allah: that is the standard Religion: but most among mankind understand not.
Turn ye back in repentance to Him...

PICKTHAL:
So set thy purpose (O Muhammad) for religion as a man by nature upright - the nature (framed) of Allah, in which He hath created man. There is no altering (the laws of) Allah's creation. That is the right religion, but most men know not -
Turning unto Him (only)...

SHAKIR:
Then set your face upright for religion in the right state-- the nature made by Allah in which He has made men; there is no altering of Allah's creation; that is the right religion, but most people do not know--
Turning to Him...


Now, it is clear from the above that ISLAM (not "arab imperialism")- according to the Qur'an - is the NATURAL Religion, or way of Life, of the BLACK MAN...the "nature" in which he was Created. The Black Man and Woman, as the Original Creation of God, are BY NATURE Upright. Of course, any living thing can be taken AWAY from it's nature, so that it does not resemble its true self, e.g. a circus lion vs. a NATURAL Lion; but that doesn't negate the Nature - "there is no altering Allah's Creation."

That in mind, it's not so far-fetched to consider the validity of what the Hon. Elijah Muhammad taught about the Black Man being the ORIGINAL man of the Planet Earth.

Our problem is that we are yet underdeveloped in our powers of discernment. We let "labels" throw us off, and ignore PRINCIPLES.

ISLAM simply means "Peace attained through entire submission to the Will of God." That is not only the Nature of MAN, but it is the nature of all of Creation. Can we not see that the Heavens and the Earth are Supremely Ordered, in a state of Peace AS A RESULT of being in complete Submission to, or Harmony with, the Law of their own Creation?

In one Grade in school, we may take "pre-algebra", and in the next grade we may take "algebra", and in the next, "trigonometry"; and in the next, "calculus". Different "labels" right? But ALL are parts ofOne Branch of Knowledge called MATHEMATICS. "Pre-Algebra" is no less MATHEMATICS than "Calculus". The Latter is just a higher manifestation of the former, which is in keeping with the Law and Nature of Growth and Evolution. Every LIVING thing in Creation, including the Manner and Form of God's Revelation, is being EVOLVED. At certain increments in Time, Allah (God) reveals a Higher Expression of His previously revealed Guidance for the PURPOSE of Evolving MAN toward his ultimate PERFECTION or COMPLETION.

"...This day have I perfected for you your religion and completed My favour to you and chosen for you Islam as a religion..." -Surah 5, v. 3

"O you who believe, what (excuse) have you that when it is said to you, Go forth in Allah’s way, you should incline heavily to earth? Are you contented with this world’s life instead of the Hereafter? The provision of this world’s life is but little as compared with the Hereafter." - Surah 9, v. 38

If we - the Human Family - accept the New Revelation, then we are able to attain higher levels of consciousness and power. If not, then we remain stuck in a "time warp" of sorts, holding on to that which no doubt is true and has value FOR THE TIME AND CIRCUMSTANCES IT WAS INTENDED FOR; but is incapable of sustaining our Spiritual Growth in the NOW!

Islam is not the threat to Africa, or any other Nation. The threat is selfishness rooted in rebellion against God's Divine Will. That can, and DOES,manifest itself in Islam, in Christianity, in Judaism, in Nationalism and even in Pan-Africanism.

Corruption is a sickness that plagues ALL of humanity, as we have not yet attained the Perfected state that the Creator is Evolving us toward.

"O man, thou must strive a hard striving (to attain) to thy Lord, until thou meet Him." -Surah 84, v. 6

SALLAUM ALAKOM

i got some points to say

1) islam is the true religon. we will do JIHAD and let me state that is combat fighting we are not a volient religon when my muslim brothers and sister are being killed in palestain and in kashmir and all over the world.

how can black people in africa accept christainty when the white man came in slaved the black people and inforced this religon upon them. do you know that 1 in 10 of the slaves taken where muslim and know africans fight islam when this religon gave you respect from all nations they came to african muslim lands for knowledge when this beatiful religon gave a stable political system and when this religon gave you riches and dare to fight it.

2) muslims and christans did live side by side when islam was ruling. christains could practice their religon in peace have families and businesses islam gave the christain people peace. but when christains do a crusade on the hand that fed them and kill children women and old men and blood comes knee high thats a voilent religon



the west has awaken an old warrior who will never submitt to the evils of the jews and christain and who will fight to last drop of muslim blood. muslim brothers shall come togther in the cause of allah and bring justice on this earth. people will crying Allahu Akbar.

Africa has what all western nations want good climate good resources

let me leave you with this imaige if Africa being a developed nations dont you think we would have passed this western countries.

my advise would be come back to the true religon ISLAM

ALLAH IS GREAT

I repeat...

"..."The Greatest Jihad is that for the conquest of SELF." - Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)

BIS MILLAH IRRAHMA NIRRAHIM

I would like to extend my hand to you my brother it is true of what you speak, but my reply is mainly directed towards JANE DOE.

fIRSTLY NOT TO BE THE ONE TO JUDGE BUT HOW IS IT THTA YOU SAY YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN AND THAT YOUR HUSBAND IS A MUSLIM OR IF I STAND CORRECTED YOU SAID OTHER HALF DOES THAT MEAN PARTNER IF THIS IS THE CASE I FEEL YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO COMMENT AS IN ISLAN THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS PARTNER UNLESS MARRIED UNDER THE EYES OF ALLAH HOW COULD YOU BE A TRUE MUSLIM WITH A GIRLFRIEND WHO I ASSUME WHEN YOU DATE YOU DONT JUST LOOK AT EACH OTHER OVER THE TABLEON FRIDAY NIGHTS AND SECONDLY IF HE IS YOUR HUSBAND ISLAM ENFORCES THAT YOU MAKE YOUR WIFE PRACTICE THE FAITH IF SHE DOES NOT YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO BEAT HER NO I KNOW WE LIVE IN A WETERNISED WORLD AND THE BEATING OF WOMEN IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I RIGHTLY ADVOCATE BUT WHEN YOU ARE A MUSLIM IT IS NOT A DONE THING THAT ONE PARENT IS ONE RELIGION AND THE OTHER IS ANOTHER ANY MAN THAT DOES NOT MAKE HIS OR AT LEAST TEACH THE RELIGION WILL BE ACCOUNTED FOR ON THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT

I APOLOGISE IF I HAVE MYSELF GOT THE WRONG END OF THE STICK BUT WITH REGARDS TO BIN LADEN THERE IS STILL TO THIS DAY NO EVIDENCE THAT HE HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH SEPT 11 IT HAS ALL BEEN FORCED ON US TO BELIEVE BY THE WESTERNISED MEDIA AND IF YOU KNOW YOUR ISLAMIC HISTORY I AM NOT CONDONING WHAT ALOT OF PEOPLE HAVE DONE ALL IN THE NAME OF ISLAM BUT REMEMBER THES COUNTRIES THAT HAVE BEEN TAKEN OVER AND DESTROYED BY PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE MUSLIM ISRAEL, IRAQ, PALENSTINE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WALKING IN ISALMIC BLOOD FOR TOO LONG AND NOW ITS TIME TO STAND UP AND TALL

ONE OF THE SIGNS OF THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT IS THAT ALL MUSLIM PEOPLE WILL START TO SUFFER ALOT AND GO THROUGH A LOT OF TRAUMA AND HEARTACHE AND THENHAZARAT MEHNDI WILL BE SEEN PEFORMING THE HAJJ AND ONE OF HIS FINGERS WILL BE THE LONGEST THAT IS HOW WE WILL RECOGNISE HIMTHEN 40YEARS WILL PASS LIKE 40 DAYS THOSE SIGHNS ARE HERE AND ITS FOR ALL MUSLIM PEOPLE TO OPEN AND READ THEQURAN AND MAYBE WE WILL NOT BE IN SO MUCH DISTRESS

Actually REALGREENEYES yes I am a Christian, yes my partner is a muslim and no we don't just sit across from each other on a Friday night. But who the hell are you to judge me and my relationship "let him who is without sin cast the first stone". I don't know everything about Islam & I don't proclaim to, so could you educate me and quote the verse in the Quran that says it is fine for a man to beat his wife (for whatever reason), do you think that somebody who is beaten into religionwill honestly embrace that religion in their heart?. & do you honestly think that come judgement day a man will be judged on the fact that he is married to a non muslim women regardless of the fact that he has lived his life as a honest and justly?



Regarding Bin Laden, I actually only brought it up because you did "...it necessary that people remember why extremeists like bin laden and so forth use this kind of action..." (this wasn't what the forum was about) but there is the video of Bin Laden in Qandahar conversing with a cleric from Saudi Arabia in which he admits to being part ofthe dramas of Sept 11th. However, the authenticityand provenance of the tape have been challenged. So you may have a point; until he comes out of hiding andlets the whole worldknow, then there is no way we'll ever noeither way for sure.You might wanna try reading "A Fury for God" by Malise Ruthven. It doesn't condemn Bin Laden it was written by a Muslim and gives a balanced deductive reasoning into the rise of militant Islam and covers the whole Sept 11 drama.

I don't "know" Islamic history but I do know about some of the atrocities that have happened to/in Islamic countries. But two wrongs don't make a right & while it's fair enough all people regarding creedor colour should stand "up and tall" is it truly necessary to destroy innocent people in the process? In the same way Christians shouldn't pillage and plunder, neither should muslims or any other religion....people shouldn't start wars in the name of religion. And that was my point..........din't wanna offend any1!