From Sudan to Nigeria, religious atrocities are committed on a daily basis without being mentioned in the western media. The reason for this is that Christians are the Victims. For the last several hundred years, Arab Muslim men have been killing, raping and displacing the Dinka tribes people of Sudan andChad without anycondemnation from the West. In Nigeria, the butcheringof northern Christians continues with as much as 10,000 killed in the last 3years. It is so bad thatit is reported Taliban remnants now reside in the north of Nigeria, orchestrating these massacres. Yet there is still no word ofcondemnation. Cameroon, Niger and to a lesser extent northAfricahave a terrible relationship in intra-religious conflict. As the world focuses on Iraq and Afghanistan, potent Islamic militias run riot throughout Africa.Is this a fair comment. I am by no means targeting all Muslim communities in this. For many years Christians and Muslim communities have lived peacefully side by side but the fact remains that adisproportionate level of this conflict is committed by one particular group.

personally, I don't believe muslims and christians can live side by side

@Afrique. Islam as we know it has been a bigger threat and enemy to Africans long before Christianity and goes beyong matters of relgion and about race and culture and who dominates. I saw a documentary on Nigeria last week with young men up north with pictures of Bin Ladin calling him a hero. They had nothing but they had their koranic schools indoctrinating children and imposing that backward and primmitive Shiria law. The Christians I saw were as equally corrupt.

Bin Ladin and his ilk view Africans in contempt but these indoctrinated Nigerian muslim youth were bigging him up.

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Happy what's happening my good sister and Happy Easter.

@ FB - I was wonderring what happened to you...was about to send out an APB on you!!

dont get me started on the subject of Islam and Nigeria....

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From Sudan to Nigeria, religious atrocities are committed on a daily basis without being mentioned in the western media. The reason for this is that Christians are the Victims. For the last several hundred years, Arab Muslim men have been killing, raping and displacing the Dinka tribes people of Sudan andChad without anycondemnation from the West. In Nigeria, the butcheringof northern Christians continues with as much as 10,000 killed in the last 3years. It is so bad thatit is reported Taliban remnants now reside in the north of Nigeria, orchestrating these massacres. Yet there is still no word ofcondemnation. Cameroon, Niger and to a lesser extent northAfricahave a terrible relationship in intra-religious conflict. As the world focuses on Iraq and Afghanistan, potent Islamic militias run riot throughout Africa.Is this a fair comment. I am by no means targeting all Muslim communities in this. For many years Christians and Muslim communities have lived peacefully side by side but the fact remains that adisproportionate level of this conflict is committed by one particular group.

Africaman - welcome back!

re Nigeria...its just a matter of time....

as a muslim sister myself i am disturbed by the fact that certain people have used the religion as a mark for an excuse to hate people if you know of the religion you will know that jihad is not proclaimed until there is a threat to muslim people and i feel that it necessary that people remember why extremeists like bin laden and so forth use this kind of action to get the same message across which seems to be failing do not forget that at one time the man that we are all inspired and have respect for i.e nelson mandela was a terroist when the time and truth comes maybe you will have the same respect for bin laden who has only been accused for those actions no truth or justice has happened

@ real green eyes - Bin Laden is one man. I thought we were talking about Islam and Muslims as a whole?

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Africaman - welcome back! re Nigeria...its just a matter of time....

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Happiness, thanx!

@Happy, been very busy innundated with work and then I had PC problems and then for some reason or the other had difficulties with sending PMs and posts which I think was at the Blacknet end. But all seems fine now.

Sis it really angered me to see some of the destructive nonsense Islam has introduced into Africa period, but Nigeria particularly; given the massive potential for that nation and its various progressive consequences for the rest of the continent. While to me both major religions have created major problems, Islam is even more pernicious and destructive. In fact Yole Soyinka, in one of the recent and excellent books he wrote on African and pan African reparations, urges us to not forget the destructive effects of Islam and those who brought it into our lives and a fight we will have to confront sooner or later.

I was pleasantly surprised on the documentary I saw, which is part of a series called "Holiday Hotspots" [eg the places by implication you would not want to go and all in Africa by the way], but I was at least pleased and I cannot remember the State in question but the legislators tried to ban traditional practices generically and incorrectly called "witchcraft" Juju or what we called Obeah in my parts and I was born into particulary my mother's people who are strong believers. But the outcry was so strong the government had to do a U turn.

This is not because I see traditonal practices as unproblematic, as any system of power, especially under the dominant culture both in Afirca and the Caribbean these systems are open to abuse for all kinds of reasons eg money making, selling expensive protective charms, or for influence and power etc. For example many CAribbean leaders buy off orsurround themselves with reputed powerful practioners, given the strength of traditional African belief systems in the region,for their own political gains and manipulation. For example Edward Seaga in Jamaicaandthe Duvalliers in Haiti.But my reasons for at least drawing some some comfort from the programme is at least other traditional practices are still observed.

By the way off the point, a sister ,and Nigerian doctor in the Caribbean, told me there is a town or place in Nigeria name Obeah... coincidence ?

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I understand the topic of how the Arabs under the guise of Islam are committing so many atrocities in Africa,but with all the damage that so called Christian nations did with the slave trade and colonization and the carving up of Africa into countries with borders that are the root causesformany if not nearly all the ethno-political conflict that exists in Africa today, how does Christianity seemingly get a free pass from you all? I understand that many of you are Christians, but isn't that like ignoring the 800 pound gorilla on your couch?

@Whatzgoingon. I sometimes get miffed when people seek to write without reading. Foreign religion is foreign religion to me. And if you were familiar with the deprave nature of Arabs and their Islam in Africa, never mind the sexual depravity of these people and mass hareems, physical mutilation of African men to make eunuchs, plus their role in mass slave trading and cold blooded murder of our people in mass.

In fact we know much more about white Christian behaviour in Africa etc than we do than the ancient Arab enemy. It's just many people what to act as if Islam is more righteous or morally upstanding in its dealing with us and is the new lick and someting to push and admire. So not sure what point you're making?



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"I sometimes get miffed when people seek to write without reading."



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Well, not to start off my posting on this website in such a negative manner, but when you find the sentence or suggestion in my post that I was putting Islam in a more or less positive light that Christianity, then you let me know.

What I was saying in my reading of the posts in this thread and the admittedly brief reading of the threads related to Islam in Africa, I find it rather curious that most of the post are in agreement with the fact that the Arabs and Islam have brought distruction upon Africans and African civilization, but I didn't see the same attitude directed toward Christinaity, which could be argued by some as historically doing much more damage to Africa.



You have to forgive my curious nature, because I am not advocating for Arabs or Islam and could I make a compelling argument about how Arabs under the guise of Islam could be seen as THE current and future distructive force in Africa myself.



I am familiar with the history of the Arabs in Africa then and the actrocities committed under the banner of Islam. But I also know a bit about the history of Christianity in Africa and the actocities committed under the banner of the cross. i wanted to know what people thought about this as well.

So you can either help answer my question or ignore it, but don't waste my time with insults.